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Emotional affair the aftermath

109 replies

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 07:13

Finding it really difficult to process this. Old friend of my husband that I also know he started flirting with in order to feel wanted as he wrongly had convinced himself that I didn’t want him and would abandon him. To explain he has been diagnosed with complex ptsd and disassociation so in his head all this was a fantasy whereas to me it was very much a reality and if I hadn’t seen an exchange of messages it would have been a full blown sexual affair I believe. She was certainly up for it. He insists was all in his head and never would’ve done that. It’s the messages and betrayal and the fact she was in my home behind my back 3 times I’m struggling with. The way he spoke about me and then she said things too making it out to be all my fault was so hurtful.

I know he isn’t well which has all since come to light and it explains a lot of the behaviour tbh as this isn’t something I could’ve seen him ever do. The way he reacted when I initially found out was what’s your problem I haven’t done anything as it was all just in his head.

im struggling xx

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Lurkingandlearning · 16/04/2024 09:22

Fairygoblin · 16/04/2024 08:29

The blatant preplanning is just repulsive and makes the 'it's all in my head' comment just ridiculous and a downright lie. So sorry you're going through this, try not to be gaslit by him

What she said. And the other poster who pointed out he was pressuring the woman to have sex with him. To restore his sexual confidence- what a knob head.

I know this has hit you hard, but please don’t be taken in by his bullshit.

Nicetobenice7 · 16/04/2024 09:22

Just read the messages...so sorry you are going through this....what a pair of 🤬###s I'm sorry but there is no chance I would stay my own MH wouldn't let me wow he has disrespected you at the highest level walk away with your dignity...he will be sorry its his loss not yours ..you will find happiness again not with this shit bag though xx

FairyMaclary · 16/04/2024 09:27

No-one can make someone cheat.

He says exactly what he thinks will work to get what he wants - manipulation. ‘My wife doesn’t understand me/we never have sex/our marriage is awful’ this is regularly not the case.
’The other woman threw herself at me/I was drunk/She shags all the men in the village’. He is likely to be telling you both lies. Woven in a little truth to assist with the cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance may be why he is suffering mentally at present.

But All these ‘reasons’ do have one thing in common and that is it’s never the cheaters fault. They aren’t responsible. They only did it because of x or y or z. Sometimes they say ‘they did not dare say No to her advances because she may have gone and told you.’ This apparently demonstrates their thoughtfulness and benevolence. Showing he’s really a good man who was acting in other’s best interests.

He's a common garden cheater. This has NOTHING to do with you. You are not powerful enough to make someone cheat or remain faithful. It’s impossible. Cheating is all on the cheater. There is nothing my husband can do to make me cheat or remain faithful. I am faithful for me. My word is important to me. I do not cheat because I have to look at myself in the mirror for the rest of my days. And I want to like who I see. My husband is collateral damage to my choices.

Your husband will have other poor traits that allowed him to cheat. Requiring external validation, unable to take blame, poor self esteem, inability to self sooth, people pleasing, addiction issues, entitlement, knight in shining armour issues, poor integrity, maybe a lack of core values.

He has a but in his fidelity ‘I am faithful but not if my wife doesn’t know’ ‘I am faithful but not with an old mate’ ‘I am faithful but not if she comes into me’.

Op cheating can cause PTSD. You need to look after yourself. But this wasn’t and isn’t about you. You are the collateral damage to his poor choices. You are the prize here.

Many won’t agree but I would tell her partner. Tactfully and gracefully. But I would tell him. He deserves not to catch STDs. I would call him and give him the messages. If they are both scrabbling to save their relationships then less likely to go underground. Sometimes they then throw each other under the bus and you may get more truth via her partner.

Of course it may push them together but if that is the case you are better off ripping the plaster off quickly than realising it has gone underground in three years time.

Redrose23 · 16/04/2024 09:32

Several things going on here.

Firstly you can tell several things from his messages. He is highly manipulative, but not overwhelmingly intelligent. He’s desperate for a bit of sex on the side, so first he tries to lock it down with the shower talk, and when that doesn’t have the desired effect, he goes in for the pity shag. He literally doesn’t care how he gets this shag, or even if she thinks he’s pathetic , he just wants the shag.

his messages are desperate incel type messages, how you could ever look at him again never mind touch him, well, I don’t think I could.

mental health is not an excuse to manipulate someone for sex. He clearly perceives her as an easy target and easily worn down. Is he manipulative or sexually coercive with you?

He has also proved he will lie as well as manipulate to get what he wants; as you’ve said you have a good sex life. Just leave him, his desperate begging for shags behaviour won’t change and you’ll just be the mug girlfriend, oblivious to his behaviours.

As For this woman, she’s low value, her message to you is disgusting and massively lacks insight. Sounds like they are made for each other

rainbowstardrops · 16/04/2024 09:33

Well he's got a Get Out Of Jail Free Card if he thinks he can blame his MH issues and you'll excuse it!
They both sound as bad as each other and I'd leave them to it. They deserve each other

Redrose23 · 16/04/2024 09:35

Also, did they end up hanging out? If so Lesley they have already shagged if she’s then gone on to tell you they discussed being fuk buddies behind your backs…

Epidote · 16/04/2024 09:36

He is not only up to it. He sounds desperate to have it. I don't think he has the tinny drop of guilt on him, he knew what he was doing and insisted, and insisted with the excuse of the shower. She is the same kind, of course, but we are just commenting if any of his ongoing issues can be a reason to act like he did and I'm reassured that they are just excuses after reading they way he interact with her.
Sorry you are going through this OP.
Whatever you decide to do always be upfront with yourself.

AmaryllisChorus · 16/04/2024 09:39

You could quote 'What's your problem? I haven't done anything' right back at him. You hadn't done any of the things he decided you were doing or going to do. I'd tell him he needs to take full responsibility for his lies, actions, intentions and all the pain he has caused you and mistrust he has fostered. if he isn't willing to dedicate a lot of effort into regaining your love and trust then he's a spineless self-deceiver and I'd move on.

FacingDivorceButSad · 16/04/2024 09:42

My (soon to be ex) husband had an affair with cptsd and in the words of my therapist "ptsd or not he made a choice. You don't have to tolerate that choice. Stop making his ptsd an excuse" and she was right. She was a therapist trained in trauma so it wasn't coming from someone with no understanding. As you said it might not have been his reality but it was yours and you don't have to push your trauma (that he caused) down to make way for his

Nicebloomers · 16/04/2024 09:42

God he’s vile. I know it’s all very shocking and almost unbelievable but the reality is that he’s fishing around to shag anyone who will have him behind your back. You might not recognise this guy, but those of us who have/ have had a cheating spouse all say the same thing. It’s not MH issues, it’s being manipulative to a particular end.

If you try to reconcile this behaviour you will feel worse and worse yourself. Cut your losses, get a bit angry and kick the asshole out. The OW won’t be taking him in so he is extra stupid for ruining a relationship for no real reason and he’ll end up much worse off for doing so. And quite rightly.

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 09:46

He said it was all a fantasy in his head and he knows she’s been unfaithful many times before to her husband and she’s always had a thing for my husband so it was playing into his ego boost. Neither is blameless and she also blamed her poor judgement on her mental health issues which are bad so she continues to drink alcohol on top knowing that’ll give her the pass to do what she actually wants to. The laughable thing about it is they have both said they have poor mental health but their actions have made mine so bad I have wanted to take my own life when I initially found out

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Nicebloomers · 16/04/2024 09:48

You cannot live like this. It’s unsustainable.

Nicetobenice7 · 16/04/2024 09:51

She sounds lovely…NOT …please tell him it’s over ..you are better than this I know it’s devastating I’ve been there I tried for 5 years after until I walked it’s in your head every day first thing in the morning last thing at night …don’t do what I did

SummerVibes03 · 16/04/2024 09:56

OP you are giving too much space and attention to what might be going on for him or her. Making space for their excuses and convoluted explanations. Why don't you re-orient to yourself? Notice that you've been unfairly blamed for other people's shitty behaviour, that this has been a blow to your MH and that you have been thrown into an emotional spiral. Please try and focus on getting yourself to a calmer and more stable place so you can engage with that core question: Is this the relationship YOU want?

BodyKeepingScore · 16/04/2024 09:59

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 09:46

He said it was all a fantasy in his head and he knows she’s been unfaithful many times before to her husband and she’s always had a thing for my husband so it was playing into his ego boost. Neither is blameless and she also blamed her poor judgement on her mental health issues which are bad so she continues to drink alcohol on top knowing that’ll give her the pass to do what she actually wants to. The laughable thing about it is they have both said they have poor mental health but their actions have made mine so bad I have wanted to take my own life when I initially found out

How many times she's been unfaithful is irrelevant. She wasn't unfaithful to you, HE was.

Nicetobenice7 · 16/04/2024 10:03

BodyKeepingScore · 16/04/2024 09:59

How many times she's been unfaithful is irrelevant. She wasn't unfaithful to you, HE was.

IT’s relevant to op …I’ve been there and you do look into every detail of the woman ..WHY I don’t know but it happens

EverybodyLTB · 16/04/2024 10:04

God OP, it very much read as him being the pursuer in this case. I don’t want to be hurtful to you, but I genuinely believe you will be very unwell unless you process this for what it is. It will affect YOUR mental health, potentially permanently, if you let him twist this. Seek therapy for yourself (not couples therapy!!) and process why you’re so keen to let him use his MH as an excuse for what seems to be just common bastard behaviour. What you’re convincing yourself of right now is not based on reality, which I think will prove really unhealthy for you in the long term. Please seek professional support ASAP. I would also recommend some time separate from your husband, can he go somewhere, or if he refuses, can you?

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 10:30

I think as my ex partner did similar to me the thought of the actual person I thought was the love of my life consciously doing the most hurtful thing to me is just to much. The whole last eight years have basically just been to take the piss out of me x

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 16/04/2024 10:38

Did your husband accept her offer of a bj?

manipulatrice · 16/04/2024 10:55

Op, in the nicest way, as I've been here, wake up.

He is actively trying to sleep with this woman. Those messages show him as the aggressor and the picture you've painted of her is not portrayed in those messages.

She's a bitch, whatever. Sort your issue out with your husband.

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 11:43

Thank you so much to you all for taking the time to give me your thoughts, it has given me a lot to think about and made me realise he’s a lying bastard x

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Nicetobenice7 · 16/04/2024 11:45

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 11:43

Thank you so much to you all for taking the time to give me your thoughts, it has given me a lot to think about and made me realise he’s a lying bastard x

Keep us posted and if you need to chat chat to us xx

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 11:57

I will do I haven’t spoke to any friends or family about it as I’m so embarrassed and can’t deal with judgements etc xx

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Nicebloomers · 16/04/2024 12:00

It’s a natural feeling but nobody will be judging you. Him on the other hand…

Hereforthechat79 · 16/04/2024 12:01

MrTiddlesTheCat · 16/04/2024 10:38

Did your husband accept her offer of a bj?

He said no that was offered to him on the Saturday night but he never moved from the hall and she was only there for 10 mins before he told her to leave. However on checking the ring camera it was 3 hours so your guess is as good as mine!

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