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Why am I doing this to myself I really need a handhold

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thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:18

I know I can only really blame myself here for how I feel stuck and broken.
I've had just under 2 years of hell and despair. My life is like something from a soap opera and I'm both embarrassed and ashamed about writing this but to be honest I'm just so broken by everything I can't comprehend anything anymore.

My ex partner left at the end of 22.
Things had got difficult between us and i had pnd after having our 2 kids a year apart. We had the extra stress as well of lockdowns and covid crap. He says I made him feel unneeded, unwanted and unloved after I had the children. I lost myself completely and I felt awful about myself and my appearance. I was up the walls most days being at home with 2 babies and no social interaction with others. I did take my frustrations out on him and I understand his reasons for leaving. I'm an open minded person and I understand when I was at my lowest I became so withdrawn, I was so stressed and I was depressed and I probably did fail him in ways so I don't dismiss his feelings on why he left. But his side of the bed wasn't even cold when he decided to start sleeping with someone else while I thought we were going to take a break, sort our shit out and he'd come home.

We didn't fall out of love, but we did go through a difficult patch and we both knew it needed to be sorted. When he told me about ow and then how she was now carrying his baby while our then 3 & 4 year old were asleep upstairs my entire world crumbled before my eyes. He was remorseful about it, and it was genuine remorse, I know this was unplanned and he was shook by it but it was happening. I went down a rabbit hole for a few months of telling him what a bastard he was and how much he's destroyed me and I made things way worse between us until I began to realise me reacting like this wasn't helping anyone and it wasn't do me any favours either. While I was trying to pick myself up off the floor I then got the lovely news that I had breast cancer and needed a mastectomy, chemotherapy and radiotherapy. I mean you can't make it up and this was while I was learning to be alone after 2 decades with someone and learning to be a single mother who was absolutely broken.

I've since finished all my treatment at the end of March but my diagnosis is when me and ex came to a white flag moment. I apologised for my ranting at him and it led us to talking decently to each other again. It led to us Co parenting well for the children too but it also led to other discussions about regrets and fuck ups on both sides and about how much love we actually both have for each other. He was gutted and terrified when he found out my diagnosis. I think it just put things into perspective of how life can be taken for granted and I think towards the end of us and because it was a long term relationship we both took for granted that we thought we both knew we loved each other but he actually didn't think I still loved him which is part of the reason he also left.

But the thing is since I calmed down and stopped reacting and just swallowed my pain and upset and was able to get along with him once more like we did before I had pnd, he was then admitting to me his remorse at getting someone else pregnant, telling each other how we felt and finally opening up to each other about everything. He tells me he regrets leaving when he did, that we should've tried harder, that he's completely messed up in his own head because now he sees we may have been able to fix things with us, but he got himself into a mess by getting someone pregnant and now in a full blown relationship with her. He thinks it could go somewhere with her but yet says he can't let go of hope of us reuniting and that because we are getting along so well its really messed up his head. Said when I was being a bitch it was easier to push his feelings away and hate me, until the diagnosis and until I came back round to being the girl he fell in love with years ago.

Wants to come home but then he'd be leaving the ow and fears not being able to see the baby and I suppose there's the fear of what if things went back to old habits, but they weren't old habits it was because I was a new mum to two babies very quickly. We weren't that way before I had the kids. I feel foolish for saying after my diagnosis and my outlook on life now I would like to put my family together again. I loved him all my life and I do understand the pregnancy was unplanned etc and the wee baby is completely innocent in all of this but I can't help how I feel and he's saying he feels the same and regrets his own actions. He says a lot of things, we both have BUT I'm not sure if I'm just being naive here and getting stringed along to be kept there as a just incase things don't work out with ow.

I'm told we don't know what the future holds, how much he misses coming home to me and the kids, I'm also told about where a lot of blame lies on my end which I will hold my hands up to. I'm told that he still fancies the pants off me and he still loves me so much, that I'm always on his mind but he's telling me all this but his actions are that he's very much continuing on with her. I think he's trying to say hes made his bed here and he has to lie in it because of the mess that's been created and basically he can't do anything about our situation until he's works his own head out incase I hurt him again or we end up like we did at the end of us and obviously because there's children involved.

Am I just being mugged off here in a way? I do know the situation sounds incredibly messed up but what if we really do both still love each other and want to try to make a go at things again. Or am I just being told something to keep me sweet so I'm there incase him and her don't work out?? Can someone make a mistake and genuinely want to fix it the way I'm believing him or am I completely gullible because I'm still so wrapped up in him and because I haven't processed anything that I've went through in such a short span of time. I was Devestated by him leaving and what came after it so quickly but when I got diagnosed I had to focus on getting through each day for my children and what they were watching their mum go through with never mind being heartbroken but also being sick, losing my hair, being tired and bid ridden most days. I just focused on my illness and treatment and couldn't deal with anything else and now im back to having to deal with the heartache and how much my life has been turned upside down. My ex is a very straight talking person he says it how it is I've always trusted him, he's not a liar by any means. He'll say something wether you like it or not so I'm confused on what to believe here because his words speak very differently from his actions. I'm afraid I'm going to let myself in for even more destruction by loving him and trusting what I've been told.
He keeps in touch with me Checking in all the time, if I'm having a bad day he'll call me to let me vent it out and give some support etc... and vice versa and he'll say things like I could really do with a hug etc. I do really believe his head is messed up from the entire situation that's developed but I also know he has developed something for the ow too and feels conflicted. I don't think it's fair on her if he does feel this way about me and I don't think it's fair on me if I'm being used incase they don't work out.

I spent a lifetime with him and I think I deserve so much more than this especially with this last yr or more. I told him today its probably best we stop communicating the way we have because he's destroying me. I think he thinks we should stay friends until we see how things go but he doesn't realise I'm still in the thick of everything and very emotional about everything and being friends and hearing about his new life is very upsetting for me and then hearing how he's feeling as well yet doing absolutely nothing about it other than moving very fast with the ow. So is he being legit or am I just so bloody gullible for my own good cause I'm weak and soft 😭

Am I being completely stupid here?

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Mumoftwo1312 · 11/04/2024 00:25

I'm so sorry about your cancer and I hope you're doing ok.

Your ex doesn't sound very nice. Nice men don't have babies and leave the mum soon after. This one seems to be making a habit of it?

Looking after a baby is tough. Looking after a postpartum wife/partner, properly, is also not easy: lots of tears, sleepless nights, no sex, sometimes physical care needs, putting someone else first.

Your ex simply can't hack it. Isn't man enough for the postpartum challenge. I would try and think about this cynically: does he want to return to you due to rekindling love or simply to escape the new baby/new mum at home? He's got previous.

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:40

Mumoftwo1312 · 11/04/2024 00:25

I'm so sorry about your cancer and I hope you're doing ok.

Your ex doesn't sound very nice. Nice men don't have babies and leave the mum soon after. This one seems to be making a habit of it?

Looking after a baby is tough. Looking after a postpartum wife/partner, properly, is also not easy: lots of tears, sleepless nights, no sex, sometimes physical care needs, putting someone else first.

Your ex simply can't hack it. Isn't man enough for the postpartum challenge. I would try and think about this cynically: does he want to return to you due to rekindling love or simply to escape the new baby/new mum at home? He's got previous.

Thankyou @Mumoftwo1312
Thankfully and I hate saying this incase I jinx it but they think they have treated it. My review is end of month

As for asking if I think ex only wants to return to get away from new fatherly duties..Hand on heart no, absolutely not. He is a great dad, he was great with both my babies, they love him to pieces. I cannot fault him that way. And I know he loves this new baby very much, again why his head is so messed up because he's conflicted we love each other, but he's made a baby that he very much loves with ow and hes afraid of leaving the baby YET he's also deeply missing his other home life here with our kids. No his fears are genuine, I do believe him on that, I can see it in him when he discusses it. No he's definitely not looking an excuse to leave to avoid father duties with the baby.

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thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:44

His previous, with leaving me was simply down to me and him, nothing to do with the kids or being a father, it was because of how our relationship soured from what it was before we had the children.. Its nothing to do with him as a father, he was great

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thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:47

to be honest the man is almost in tears anytime he's returning the kids home to me. Having to leave them off, see me, see our home where we share so many memories and then walk away from it and leave the kids until the next time he sees them. It's breaks him. I've seen it

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cerisepanther73 · 11/04/2024 00:49

Exactly

I just he is not man enough emotionally mature to accept the responsibilities of fatherhood and when it gets a bit too much He bales out on you,

You just can't trust him this type as i think essentially in theory he likes loves the idea of being a daddy,

However he needs you to be like a pseudo mother figure to himself at the same time,

which is obviously too much,

In fairness to both of you

Parenthood can and often is a shock to the system how 🤔 intense full on it can be at times,

Have you got enough emotional support in your life in this regards then?

What are your families support like then?

are they supportive enough?

as it comes across as if it's inadequate or not quite enough in some way,

You may just need extra support ?

I had too,

I had a child minder registered with social services lovely woman to give me respite a break on weekly basis

I used to attend local mother and toddler group,

After hearing on recent mumsnet thread of how beneficial Sure Start scheme was in the past,
i wish i had turned to them for support too,

I think there are charitable organisations that are still out there that can help you,

look up on the Internet

Sometimes even working partime or doing something for yourself like volunteering for a few hours or going to college partime in some way or adult education online with childcare can make a susprisly world of difference too,

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:53

Thanks @cerisepanther73
Yes I've family support. I'd their help throughput my treatment with the children and bringing me to appointments, basically moved in with me while I was having treatment to look after me and the kids. No I've definitely a good system behind me if I need it.

macmillan helped me out with a lot of support and advice and helped me through a lot so they pin pointed me in directions with help

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theduchessofspork · 11/04/2024 00:54

He thinks it could go somewhere with her but yet says he can't let go of hope of us reuniting and that because we are getting along so well its really messed up his head.

OP this man is a head wrecking mega-dick. I’m glad you’re co-parenting well, but please please keep him at arms length.

You’ve done so well, adapting to single parenting and getting through cancer, please don’t let Mr M Dick live rent free in your head.

He was not in love with you - he got some woman pregnant within 2 seconds of leaving, which also doesn’t say much about his regard for his young children.

Now he is messing his new partner about by playing emotional footsie with you. You are also being a dickette to allow this, so please knock that off.

You have your life ahead of you, focus on that and your kids and start dating when you are ready.

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:58

Appreciate the dickette comment...@theduchessofspork
I do agree with that comment. It's wrong that I've took any part in it. I understand what you're saying here with that point. I've been telling myself that a lot and you've just confirmed it. Thankyou.

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DBD1975 · 11/04/2024 01:02

I am so sorry for your situation, my heart goes out to you. You are amazing and strong beyond belief, having been through treatment for breast cancer myself, I am in awe of how you have managed to cope with all of this, you should be so proud of yourself.
I hope you have a very good network of family and friends to help you through.
With regards to your marital situation my heart says stick with it, my head says call it a day.
To be honest I think you are going to have to summon up every bit of energy and tell your husband it is not fair on you to carry on like this and it is over. However it is easy to sort someone else's life out when you are not the one emotionally involved.
What I would say is I would have far too much pride to carry on as you are. If your husband was down on his knees begging for forgiveness and wanting you and only you I would say give it a go. If he can't make up his mind, I would make the decision for him.
Whatever happens know you are a strong woman and I really hope life treats you a lot more kindly in the future.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 11/04/2024 01:06

“We had the extra stress as well of lockdowns and covid crap. He says I made him feel unneeded, unwanted and unloved after I had the children. I lost myself completely and I felt awful about myself and my appearance. I was up the walls most days being at home with 2 babies and no social interaction with others. I did take my frustrations out on him and I understand his reasons for leaving.”

Well boo hoo for him. He couldn’t handle a little bit of a rough time after you had babies a year apart? He’s not a keeper. I’ve been absolutely awful to my DH at times after the birth of our children because I was exhausted, lost myself etc. it was really tough during covid and 2 of our our loved ones were very ill. But he understood why I was different. He was patient. You know what he didn’t do? Leave and get someone pregnant and make me blame myself for his bad choices.

im so sorry for your diagnosis, wishing you a full recovery. But don’t let him off the hook here, he is a shit.

theduchessofspork · 11/04/2024 01:07

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:58

Appreciate the dickette comment...@theduchessofspork
I do agree with that comment. It's wrong that I've took any part in it. I understand what you're saying here with that point. I've been telling myself that a lot and you've just confirmed it. Thankyou.

Edited

you’ve been through hell, and you must be feeling battered, which makes all of us more vulnerable

But don’t let him drag you down to his level, your deserve much better (as does his current partner)

cerisepanther73 · 11/04/2024 01:10

@thelattelover

I think 🤔 you have been through a nightmare of a time,

really sorry life has been like this for you,

You deserve a lot better in life

there's a charity not that great far away where i live offers Holistic beneficial therapies etc for people recoving from cancer wellbeing centre
charitable organisation,

Is there anything similar 🤔 or alternative that could be beneficial for you too not far from where you live too?

I wonder whether social prescribing scheme could be beneficial for you too,

it's self referral through doctor, in which you have support for your health issues in a much more Holistic way,
emotionally and psychologically and physically..

such as use of all leisure centre facilities at a extremely good reduced rates,

You get the health wellbeing opportunities online and also in person activities/ workshops you can attend,
that will be beneficial for you to do in various ways too,

Also occasionally daytrips too doing something different quite interesting things to do...

I have health issues and find this social prescribing service very useful supportive
I've enjoyed this...

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 01:11

@DBD1975 thankyou very much 🥹 everyone keeps telling me the same thing of how strong I am considering what I've faced and I'm still getting up each day for my children. But they don't see the loniness I feel. I've been so used to having company and all the wee routines we had. I'm finding it hard adjusting to my new ways now. I've lost interest in things I used to love. To be honest the breakup has really affected me in ways people don't realise. I'm Devestated about it all and I'm Devestated my family is broke up and I miss the wee life I had. That was my world and my future. I've been going to counselling to try and talk through things with a therapist. When I say my whole world crumbled on me that's how it feels to me. The way this all played out broke me and shocked me. I never imagined any of this in my life. Feel like I'm grieving as pathetic as that sounds

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 11/04/2024 01:11

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:44

His previous, with leaving me was simply down to me and him, nothing to do with the kids or being a father, it was because of how our relationship soured from what it was before we had the children.. Its nothing to do with him as a father, he was great

But what if other woman is now tired and not so loving and happy all the time now she’s got a young baby, maybe that’s why the grass is now greener back at yours…

alwayslearning789 · 11/04/2024 01:18

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:47

to be honest the man is almost in tears anytime he's returning the kids home to me. Having to leave them off, see me, see our home where we share so many memories and then walk away from it and leave the kids until the next time he sees them. It's breaks him. I've seen it

@thelattelover

I say this gently and with all the best will in the world:

Please read the statement below:

" I had to focus on getting through each day for my children and what they were watching their mum go through with never mind being heartbroken but also being sick, losing my hair, being tired and bid ridden most days.

I just focused on my illness and treatment and couldn't deal with anything else and now I'm back to having to deal with the heartache and how much my life has been turned upside down"

You wrote that. It broke my heart reading that.

Please don't do this to yourself.

He wasn't there when you needed him - of course he is feeling guilty - he wasn't there.

Take time to make your decision , whatever that may be, when you have had some time to consider it.

Whatever your decision is - please Be Kind to yourself - as he was not.

What a brave woman you are getting through all this on your own. Sending Hugs and Best Wishes. Take Care.

Mumoftwo1312 · 11/04/2024 01:20

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 00:44

His previous, with leaving me was simply down to me and him, nothing to do with the kids or being a father, it was because of how our relationship soured from what it was before we had the children.. Its nothing to do with him as a father, he was great

I don't see it. It wasn't you being "difficult" or whatever awful narrative he's put into your head.

You had pnd. You were postpartum. It is normal to be emotionally needy as a new mother. You needed your partner to help you recover. He didn't step up to that challenge.

He may be "a good dad" (Doubt - good dads don't leave new mums let alone twice!) but it seems very much that he is not a good partner when his wife/girlfriend is unwell.

I'm so glad to hear your cancer is treated now. If, God forbid, something should return and you become unwell again, this man will not look after you.

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 01:22

@alwayslearning789 I have tears streaming my face reading your comment. thankyou for those kind words

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DBD1975 · 11/04/2024 01:26

You are grieving for the life and future you had, this is not pathetic it is perfectly understandable. There are two types of lonely one is being lonely for company which I don't think applies to you. The other is being lonely for emotional connection which I think is the loneliness you are talking about and again this is totally understandable. However I would rather be lonely whilst living a life I am proud of rather than having to make the compromises you would need to make to have your husband back in your life. If you did get back together how could you ever trust him. Your life would be a living hell when he went off to visit his other child.
He is weak, you are strong, don't let his mistakes define you. He got another woman pregnant very shortly after leaving you, that tells me all I need to know about him.
The way he has behaved towards you is appalling, please stop seeing him as the man you want him to be and start seeing him for the man he really is.

alwayslearning789 · 11/04/2024 01:26

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 01:11

@DBD1975 thankyou very much 🥹 everyone keeps telling me the same thing of how strong I am considering what I've faced and I'm still getting up each day for my children. But they don't see the loniness I feel. I've been so used to having company and all the wee routines we had. I'm finding it hard adjusting to my new ways now. I've lost interest in things I used to love. To be honest the breakup has really affected me in ways people don't realise. I'm Devestated about it all and I'm Devestated my family is broke up and I miss the wee life I had. That was my world and my future. I've been going to counselling to try and talk through things with a therapist. When I say my whole world crumbled on me that's how it feels to me. The way this all played out broke me and shocked me. I never imagined any of this in my life. Feel like I'm grieving as pathetic as that sounds

Yes... You are grieving.... That is so human and so understandable.

You have to go through it to get to the other side, you are only human, I totally get it.

But - he is worried about leaving one child when he left you with two babies and a subsequent battle with cancer ?????

Never forget that.

He'll always be running back there the way he is running back to you - as he will feel guilty about that too.

Take your time to grieve and get strong again.

DBD1975 · 11/04/2024 01:32

Mumoftwo1312 · 11/04/2024 01:20

I don't see it. It wasn't you being "difficult" or whatever awful narrative he's put into your head.

You had pnd. You were postpartum. It is normal to be emotionally needy as a new mother. You needed your partner to help you recover. He didn't step up to that challenge.

He may be "a good dad" (Doubt - good dads don't leave new mums let alone twice!) but it seems very much that he is not a good partner when his wife/girlfriend is unwell.

I'm so glad to hear your cancer is treated now. If, God forbid, something should return and you become unwell again, this man will not look after you.

This totally.
Mumsnet rocks it every time.
OP we are all totally in your corner if you can harness just a tiny bit of what we are all saying I hope it gives you the strength to make the best decision for you.
In the meantime we are all here for you and sending love.

alwayslearning789 · 11/04/2024 01:33

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 01:22

@alwayslearning789 I have tears streaming my face reading your comment. thankyou for those kind words

It's okay my dear, I have been there... So I understand how hard it is to make decisions with the feelings and the real sense of loss between you and him.

My last comment for tonight but whatever you decide, please do Take Care and I wish you and your little ones all the best.

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 01:36

@alwayslearning789

But - he is worried about leaving one child when he left you with two babies and a subsequent battle with cancer ?????

Never forget that.

Yep, I've thought about that... Quite a bit. Said it to him as well but he referred back to how nasty I'd been previously before my diagnosis and shutting him out etc just what a bitch I'd been. That he wanted to come home when i got diagnosed but he was advised by a family member he couldnt do that because he went and got the other person pregnant and basically he made his bed....

I tried to explain to him have you any idea on what level you've hurt me with sleeping with someone so quickly, getting them pregnant and now having a new life with someone else when you've just walked away from your family here. I was hurt. I was all over the place with anger, then sadness, then jealousy.. I was a mess and I probably was very to the point with my words at that time. But he says he was hurting too,he never planned this, his plan in life was with me and the kids not this, but says he was also hurting at how unwanted and unloved I made him feel... I understand how he feels but I wish he could understand what that type of shit would've put him through had the story went the other way about

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AtrociousCircumstance · 11/04/2024 01:40

He’s awful, @thelattelover He’s not a good man and not a good life partner for you. He’s failed so many important things. He’s failed you, failed his children. Please find a way to unhook from this unhealthy connection. It belongs in your past.

thelattelover · 11/04/2024 01:47

@DBD1975 no I think I get the jist of where yous are going with this and for me to let go somehow and pointing out somethings along the way I too have questioned in my mind. That's why I said about his actions and words. These are somethings I've questioned and why I'm asking am I pathetic because in my mind I think pathetic and in my heart it's because I'm broken, I'm tired with everything and I miss him and miss what I used to have. Maybe it's the familiarity. I just don't see myself creating the same thing we had with anyone else, and I suppose that's why I get so angry because he broke me and just went found someone else, got her pregnant, playing happy families with her and our two and there I was dealing with my health crisis and a broken home and heart and the thinking alone of bring with anyone else makes my skin crawl but it took him 2+ weeks to sleep with someone and then continue sleeping with her

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dogmama · 11/04/2024 02:23

I had 2 babies under 2 and OmG it was (and still is) HARD! I was a complete (and still sometimes am) a total cow to my husband because I was completely emotionally and physically rinsed. He stayed strong in that way.. we've had our issues but he would never have walked out when things got tough for him.. because he knew they were even tougher for me!! I can't imagine having to deal with cancer on top of that, you're a total warrior!

I think you must feel extremely weary just now, tired to the depths of your soul and grieving everything you could have had. This is not the time to make a decision (and deep down I think you've already made it). You can't trust this man, it will forever drive you nuts if you go back there. I know you can't see it just now but keep putting one foot in front of the other, keep plodding and you will come out of this. And you will find love and connection with someone that deserves your loyalty and strength. Just not now and not him. I think you know this, you're processing this. You'll get there! Big hugs, you've not had it easy but you know you can rely on you.. you can't rely on him. Don't put yourself in that position again x good luck and take care, you're a badass!