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Thoughts please - my partner came inside me without my consent

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Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 13:08

Asking for peoples thoughts here, I feel at a loss.

background is important to the main event here, so here goes…

In Dec 23 I fell pregnant, after 4.5 yrs of using the natural cycles contraception method. This was a shock as we have successfully avoided pregnancy for a long time with good tracking. After careful consideration, I terminated the pregnancy. This was for lots of reasons but mainly knowing I have a big court case coming up following a disastrous car accident my partner partly caused which led to a broken arm and spine, I have further spinal surgery to come this year, and my partner and I not feeling in much of a stable position to be having another baby just yet. My partner was drinking more and we didn’t feel very connected at all, I’d also just started a new job so I wouldn’t have got mat pay etc. I told my partner how I felt and why, and he was quiet about the whole thing even up to the point of the appts being organised, and me organising time off work for the termination.

The termination couldn’t have gone worse, my partner was out for most of it doing silly things like going to the post office, going to a piano lesson etc, and he felt that we should have made a different decision, but only properly voiced this right before and just after the tablets had been taken. That evening he put his legs out over my body and whilst I was bleeding heavily and in pain, which I felt was the height of disrespect, he then told me he was angry at what I had done.

long story short I’d said I wanted to leave over this whole experience, his response to the pregnancy, during the termination etc was all woeful. However, he offered to pay for us to go to couples therapy as an attempt to repair. We’ve been going since before Xmas and have patched things up fairly well though certain addictive behaviours around alcohol remain an issue, mostly that when he drinks he disconnects from me which makes it hard to rebuild our lost connection. We had agreed to use condoms as an additional preventative measure moving forward but this slipped slightly, only recently.

We had unprotected sex during a non fertile window on holiday and he pulled out as agreed (heat of the moment on holiday). I got a condom out the next time we had sex and he said no I will pull out again. This then led to this bank holiday weekend - which was no different, low levels of alcohol involved on his part meant that he had been distant and moody, and he was feeling tired from working on Saturday. Sunday night, we were having sex and he didn’t pull out as previously agreed.

AIBU to be pissed off that he has taken this liberty with my body after everything said and done?

I know there will be people that don’t agree with using natural contraception methods, but for us this has worked for years and only recently went wrong once. We were safe after that and had I suppose, built up the confidence to use natural methods again with good tracking etc, but to cum inside me without my consent and after treating me like shit during the termination has really got under my skin. It’s not as if everything is ok, we are still navigating this tricky period in our relationship.

If I’m being really honest, he had previously assaulted me orally when he came home drunk from a work night out. We were kissing, he went to go down on me, I said no repeatedly and he continued. We didn’t continue being intimate that night and we had a big falling out the next day.

He knows I was raped by my ex partner and this all just feels uncomfortable at this point.

We have been together 6 years and have a 4yr old.

What are peoples thoughts?

OP posts:
Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 02/04/2024 21:18

The way he behaved towards you around the termination is utterly unforgivable. I think this is ‘punishment’ for that. You did not give consent, he did it anyway. You know what that means…

Add that to him being an abusive alcoholic….

PickAChew · 02/04/2024 21:19

If he gave a shit about you he would have been using those condoms enthusiastically and without fail. You have to get away from him.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 21:23

Pearlyclouds · 02/04/2024 16:54

My dh and I use natural cycles and the pull out method. I fell pregnant once because he did not pull out. He was tired at the time and just said he essentially made a mistake. I forgave him because generally he is a lovely supportive person and I've no reason to believe he'd ever do anything like that on purpose.
So I don't think the issue is the cumming inside you... it's the fact he may well have done that with hostile intent. Maybe you aren't sure it was done with intent but that in itself it's awful.... that this man has treated u so badly that you feel there's a possibility he may have intentionally sexually assaulted you... that you don't actually trust him at all. That should tell you something.
Whether it was intentional or not, you do not trust him because of how he has been and how he has let you down.
I'd honestly leave the relationship at this point.
If you can't trust that someone wouldn't rape you out of anger... thats just not OK is it? You know he's abusive. And has the potential to be even more abusive.
Please start to think about ending this relationship

You'd expect that a mistake would be followed by an apology and an offer to drive you to the nearest open pharmacy to get EC.

LorlieS · 02/04/2024 21:23

@Bubblesdevire I suppose because financially they provide for them? Which is personally why I don't think any woman should give up work and risk relying on anyone.
I'm struggling to think of any other reason.

FairFuming · 02/04/2024 21:29

I think realistically you know that you need to leave. Is this the sort of relationship you want your child thinking is healthy or normal? I didn't so I left with a 4 and 2 year old and I can recommend it highly enough. Contact woman's aid and CAB they can point you in the direction of all the help out there to help make leaving easier.

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 21:29

Hmmm… I’m seeing mixed views on the contraception and point of consent.

I didn’t consent to him finishing inside me and there is a load of added context to that I.e the termination, me not physically being ABLE to carry a baby right now, and that, loaded with the burden of him finishing inside me is what makes this so terrible, right?

he said sorry after, then just went downstairs, no organising a morning after etc, just left me to figure that shit out!

i do know ladies that I deserve better, that my son deserves better. Maybe my son would be better off with him being a good dad on his own and us separating. I wish I had more money to stand on my own two feet but I don’t. I earn a good salary for my age (27) I think I need to protect myself and get a nest egg. Make the plans I need to make.

I cannot have a copper coil or any coil, due to the internal surgery I had done on a cyst not that long ago, and I also have already had an abnormal smear, it’s not advisable to play with my hormones right now and frankly hormonal contraception ruins my mental health

I’m struggling , it’s hard to read the responses as accurate as they may be.

I don’t think it’s rape but I do think it’s assault?

OP posts:
Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 21:31

@Bumblebeeinatree why do you feel sorry for him?

does anyone else see it that way? Am I missing something?

OP posts:
StaunchMomma · 02/04/2024 21:34

You're mad if you think this method is anywhere near safe enough, never mind him being untrustworthy.

He sounds awful, OP.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 21:46

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 21:29

Hmmm… I’m seeing mixed views on the contraception and point of consent.

I didn’t consent to him finishing inside me and there is a load of added context to that I.e the termination, me not physically being ABLE to carry a baby right now, and that, loaded with the burden of him finishing inside me is what makes this so terrible, right?

he said sorry after, then just went downstairs, no organising a morning after etc, just left me to figure that shit out!

i do know ladies that I deserve better, that my son deserves better. Maybe my son would be better off with him being a good dad on his own and us separating. I wish I had more money to stand on my own two feet but I don’t. I earn a good salary for my age (27) I think I need to protect myself and get a nest egg. Make the plans I need to make.

I cannot have a copper coil or any coil, due to the internal surgery I had done on a cyst not that long ago, and I also have already had an abnormal smear, it’s not advisable to play with my hormones right now and frankly hormonal contraception ruins my mental health

I’m struggling , it’s hard to read the responses as accurate as they may be.

I don’t think it’s rape but I do think it’s assault?

Given your health, a decent man would insist upon putting a condom on.

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:18

@Sophie0983

Read your reasons for not going on contraception.

Arguably having another baby in your present state in an unstable relationship would be more ruinous to your mental health.

If you don’t want to have a baby and can’t use hormonal contraception then you use a condom or you don’t have sex.

Sperm can survive 7-10 days in your reproductive tract and can be present in precum, the method of contraception you are using is not reliable and you are playing with fire.

Men sometimes do find it difficult to pull out in time in the heat of the moment. It would be hard to tell if your husbands actions were purposeful or not.

Condom or no sex.

Circe7 · 02/04/2024 22:18

In purely legal terms it is only rape if he acted intentionally in ejaculating and did not have a reasonable belief that there was consent. So a genuine mistake where the man doesn’t pull out in time when using the withdrawal method is not rape.

That isn’t a comment on whether or not the OP should leave. Just the law on rape requires more than what is stated on this thread (which is why it’s so hard to successfully prosecute).

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 02/04/2024 22:24

You need to break up

Bearpawk · 02/04/2024 22:26

He does sound like a piece of shit generally.
But. It's impossible to control when you orgasm in the heat of the moment. Even with the best of intentions. It's very naive and silly to expect him to do the VERY thing that causes orgasm inside of you, without orgasming. Use a condom ffs.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:29

Circe7 · 02/04/2024 22:18

In purely legal terms it is only rape if he acted intentionally in ejaculating and did not have a reasonable belief that there was consent. So a genuine mistake where the man doesn’t pull out in time when using the withdrawal method is not rape.

That isn’t a comment on whether or not the OP should leave. Just the law on rape requires more than what is stated on this thread (which is why it’s so hard to successfully prosecute).

It's pretty clear to me that he meant to do it. Plus, if he had a shred of care for OP, he'd wrap it, especially when she was offering out the condom to do so.

I don't think anyone on the thread has suggested that OP go to the police, and that will be because a case like this would be impossible to prove.

The OP needs to leave.

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:29

Regarding consent, you consented to have unprotected sex with him and sometimes men do ejaculate quicker than anticipated or they get caught up in things. It’s very risky and hard to tell whether it’s purposeful.

The oral sex does sound like assault as you were clearly telling him no.

You were raped before and need trauma therapy for this, separate to your husband. What may be feeding into things is you are being reminded about things that happened previously and this causes you to amplify your response to your DH and makes it difficult for you to communicate calmly in arguments… once you aren’t bringing past emotion to the table it is easier to assess what is going on now.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:31

Bearpawk · 02/04/2024 22:26

He does sound like a piece of shit generally.
But. It's impossible to control when you orgasm in the heat of the moment. Even with the best of intentions. It's very naive and silly to expect him to do the VERY thing that causes orgasm inside of you, without orgasming. Use a condom ffs.

From the first post: I got a condom out the next time we had sex and he said no I will pull out again.

It's not the OP who is refusing to use them.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:32

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:29

Regarding consent, you consented to have unprotected sex with him and sometimes men do ejaculate quicker than anticipated or they get caught up in things. It’s very risky and hard to tell whether it’s purposeful.

The oral sex does sound like assault as you were clearly telling him no.

You were raped before and need trauma therapy for this, separate to your husband. What may be feeding into things is you are being reminded about things that happened previously and this causes you to amplify your response to your DH and makes it difficult for you to communicate calmly in arguments… once you aren’t bringing past emotion to the table it is easier to assess what is going on now.

The oral sex does sound like assault as you were clearly telling him no.

Consent isn't the absence of a "no", it's the presence of a "yes".

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:32

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:31

From the first post: I got a condom out the next time we had sex and he said no I will pull out again.

It's not the OP who is refusing to use them.

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

Yes but she agreed to this method.

She could have said, absolutely not, use a condom.

She consented to unprotected sex.

Whyarepeoplesoweird · 02/04/2024 22:37

Are you teenagers? Pulling out makes no difference. Seman leaks out the penis the whole time. It's almost like there's alot of people on here who skipped sex education.
Clearly a natural method doesn't work otherwise you wouldn't have fallen pregnant.

Pinkbonbon · 02/04/2024 22:38

Yes op but we're not talking about the issue if consent. What we're saying is that he maybe just didn't pull out on time - due to carelessness/being too slow. Accidents aren't rape.

I can tell someone not to stand on my foot in a crowded elevator but if I'm in an elevator and it's crowded, chances are someone might stand on my foot accidently.

Circumstantial evidence (eg: prior behaviours) would suggest he's a creepy bastard. But that wouldn't be enough to say its it as rape.

You feel violated though. Which is understandable! He's not a nice man and I don't think he's safe to be around either. It's OK to trust your instincts and listen to your feelings.
And trust them and act accordingly.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:43

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:32

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

Yes but she agreed to this method.

She could have said, absolutely not, use a condom.

She consented to unprotected sex.

I suspect that in this relationship the OP may be worried at some level that "no" won't be heeded. The dangerous driving and stuff that she has expressed concern about make suspect that. This is especially likely with her sexual assault history. I know that I've given a "yes" to sex that I didn't want because I didn't want to say "no" and find that he doesn't heed that. Like a sort of sexual Stockholm Syndrome...

Noseybookworm · 02/04/2024 22:46

I'd be totally repulsed by him. He is showing you no respect and he sounds like he has a drink problem. Use proper contraception if you do have sex with him although god knows why you would want to 🤢

ParsonsPont · 02/04/2024 22:46

My husband did this once. It was a complete miscommunication. I can’t remember the exact details but he thought I said it was ok when I had said the opposite.

Even though we were planning to TTC in a few months time anyway so a pregnancy wouldn’t have been an issue, I still felt massively violated. It’s hard to explain but it was a real shock.

And that was in the context of a loving marriage where it wasn’t done deliberately. I can’t even imagine how you must feel when it was clearly done as revenge. That he even has the ability to do that shows that your partner is a dangerous and spiteful man. I don’t often say this on MN or in real life, but leave him. He clearly intends to punish you for having an abortion and you won’t know if this was the full extent of it or if there’s more to come.

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:51

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:43

I suspect that in this relationship the OP may be worried at some level that "no" won't be heeded. The dangerous driving and stuff that she has expressed concern about make suspect that. This is especially likely with her sexual assault history. I know that I've given a "yes" to sex that I didn't want because I didn't want to say "no" and find that he doesn't heed that. Like a sort of sexual Stockholm Syndrome...

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@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

This is precisely why I have told OP to have trauma therapy so that she stops bringing her baggage from past trauma into her current relationship.

Because it’s as plain as day there is a hefty dollop of it causing problems, alongside the DH’s drinking and demeanour.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 02/04/2024 22:54

Kitesinthesky · 02/04/2024 22:51

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

This is precisely why I have told OP to have trauma therapy so that she stops bringing her baggage from past trauma into her current relationship.

Because it’s as plain as day there is a hefty dollop of it causing problems, alongside the DH’s drinking and demeanour.

She'd be better off ditching the "D"P then getting trauma therapy. He's a dangerous driver and an alcoholic, aka an 80kg liability.