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Thoughts please - my partner came inside me without my consent

149 replies

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 13:08

Asking for peoples thoughts here, I feel at a loss.

background is important to the main event here, so here goes…

In Dec 23 I fell pregnant, after 4.5 yrs of using the natural cycles contraception method. This was a shock as we have successfully avoided pregnancy for a long time with good tracking. After careful consideration, I terminated the pregnancy. This was for lots of reasons but mainly knowing I have a big court case coming up following a disastrous car accident my partner partly caused which led to a broken arm and spine, I have further spinal surgery to come this year, and my partner and I not feeling in much of a stable position to be having another baby just yet. My partner was drinking more and we didn’t feel very connected at all, I’d also just started a new job so I wouldn’t have got mat pay etc. I told my partner how I felt and why, and he was quiet about the whole thing even up to the point of the appts being organised, and me organising time off work for the termination.

The termination couldn’t have gone worse, my partner was out for most of it doing silly things like going to the post office, going to a piano lesson etc, and he felt that we should have made a different decision, but only properly voiced this right before and just after the tablets had been taken. That evening he put his legs out over my body and whilst I was bleeding heavily and in pain, which I felt was the height of disrespect, he then told me he was angry at what I had done.

long story short I’d said I wanted to leave over this whole experience, his response to the pregnancy, during the termination etc was all woeful. However, he offered to pay for us to go to couples therapy as an attempt to repair. We’ve been going since before Xmas and have patched things up fairly well though certain addictive behaviours around alcohol remain an issue, mostly that when he drinks he disconnects from me which makes it hard to rebuild our lost connection. We had agreed to use condoms as an additional preventative measure moving forward but this slipped slightly, only recently.

We had unprotected sex during a non fertile window on holiday and he pulled out as agreed (heat of the moment on holiday). I got a condom out the next time we had sex and he said no I will pull out again. This then led to this bank holiday weekend - which was no different, low levels of alcohol involved on his part meant that he had been distant and moody, and he was feeling tired from working on Saturday. Sunday night, we were having sex and he didn’t pull out as previously agreed.

AIBU to be pissed off that he has taken this liberty with my body after everything said and done?

I know there will be people that don’t agree with using natural contraception methods, but for us this has worked for years and only recently went wrong once. We were safe after that and had I suppose, built up the confidence to use natural methods again with good tracking etc, but to cum inside me without my consent and after treating me like shit during the termination has really got under my skin. It’s not as if everything is ok, we are still navigating this tricky period in our relationship.

If I’m being really honest, he had previously assaulted me orally when he came home drunk from a work night out. We were kissing, he went to go down on me, I said no repeatedly and he continued. We didn’t continue being intimate that night and we had a big falling out the next day.

He knows I was raped by my ex partner and this all just feels uncomfortable at this point.

We have been together 6 years and have a 4yr old.

What are peoples thoughts?

OP posts:
Deebee90 · 02/04/2024 16:27

He isn’t a partner. He is a rapist and you are allowing it. Who cares if he is a good dad, your children wouldn’t want you stay with someone who is abusing you. Please stop making. Excuses and leave. How would you feel if you had a daughter and she came to you In years to come saying her partner was doing this to her. It’s sick

mummymeister · 02/04/2024 16:33

oh my goodness how many times!! "hes a good dad" NO NO NO he isnt a good dad at all. that is not how good dads behave to the mothers of their children. Pretty soon your child is going to be of an age when they notice your partners relationship with alcohol. they are going to notice the silence between you the terse exchanges etc. what you are describing is NOT a happy normal family and relationship. Its not good when its good because the bad wipes all of that away. You are just deluding yourself that you are staying for your child. you arent. you are doing your child absolutely no favours whatsoever. You are setting your child up for a life of people pleasing - doing anything to make sure the bad times dont happen. being on eggshells during the so called good times because they know bad are going to follow.

If you wont leave for you then leave for your child.

Redruby2020 · 02/04/2024 16:37

GingerIsBest · 02/04/2024 13:53

He has sexually assaulted you in the past and is not taking the precautions you have agreed on regarding contraceptive, which I would argue is another form of sexual assault.

he is abusive.

you should leave. I am sorry. I know it's hard.

Also, therapy with an abuser is not recommended. you could try telling the therapist in the session about th previous assault and this recent situation, but overall, if he's abusive, couples therapy won't work.

Well i don't think any therapist can sit and try to help work through one partner being assaulted by the other!

Redruby2020 · 02/04/2024 16:38

Mayflower282 · 02/04/2024 13:57

Your child will watch and learn how to treat people from your interactions. Basically, your child will either turn into someone like your absolutely disgusting partner, or turn into someone like yourself that allows themselves to be treated appallingly and be abused, emotionally and sexually…is that what you want for them?

This 100% I lived like that and grew up and got with someone who I accepted and allowed to give me the bare minimum and treat me like rubbish, because that's what I had been taught growing up.

Redruby2020 · 02/04/2024 16:40

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 14:51

@Crunchymum it was a 50/50 accident. He drove through an amber light at high speed to beat a red.
the other driver was turning right and ran a red light at high speed. They both caused the accident. But if my partner didn’t go through on Amber, it wouldn’t have happened.

no, he wasn’t over the limit. This happened 4 years ago when baby was 6mo.

So your partner is the first immediate person responsible for that crash.

crumblingschools · 02/04/2024 16:47

What makes him a good dad?

ManchesterBeatrice · 02/04/2024 16:47

CrunchingNumbers · 02/04/2024 13:13

Run. That's the crux of my thoughts. Run.

Edited

This is the most annoying response ever, you don't need to run OP, you can just leave him.

It always infantilises women so much when people post this.

CrunchingNumbers · 02/04/2024 16:49

ManchesterBeatrice · 02/04/2024 16:47

This is the most annoying response ever, you don't need to run OP, you can just leave him.

It always infantilises women so much when people post this.

Alrighty...leave him OP...but at a fast pace!

Pearlyclouds · 02/04/2024 16:54

My dh and I use natural cycles and the pull out method. I fell pregnant once because he did not pull out. He was tired at the time and just said he essentially made a mistake. I forgave him because generally he is a lovely supportive person and I've no reason to believe he'd ever do anything like that on purpose.
So I don't think the issue is the cumming inside you... it's the fact he may well have done that with hostile intent. Maybe you aren't sure it was done with intent but that in itself it's awful.... that this man has treated u so badly that you feel there's a possibility he may have intentionally sexually assaulted you... that you don't actually trust him at all. That should tell you something.
Whether it was intentional or not, you do not trust him because of how he has been and how he has let you down.
I'd honestly leave the relationship at this point.
If you can't trust that someone wouldn't rape you out of anger... thats just not OK is it? You know he's abusive. And has the potential to be even more abusive.
Please start to think about ending this relationship

imnotsickbutimnotwell · 02/04/2024 16:56

You are kidding yourself that he is a good dad. He really isn’t. You are in an abusive relationship and you should look at doing the Freedom program and or speak to Women’s Aid to help you have the strength to leave.

Moonshine5 · 02/04/2024 16:58

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 16:19

I cannot use hormonal contraceptives and I personally think my partner should take control & not ejaculate where it’s not wanted, as agreed

Why - where is your agency? It's your body take some personal responsibility.
Also why do you want to "bump uglies" with this person?

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 17:05

Wow - my personal responsibility over my
body comes with the contraceptive method we had chosen and agreed upon as consenting adults. That changed when he did something that I had specifically NOT consented to. That very thing puts my body and health and well-being at risk. When I have already been put through the mill by this man.

OP posts:
QueenBitch666 · 02/04/2024 17:06

He's vile. Get rid. No other advice needed

mummymeister · 02/04/2024 17:13

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 17:05

Wow - my personal responsibility over my
body comes with the contraceptive method we had chosen and agreed upon as consenting adults. That changed when he did something that I had specifically NOT consented to. That very thing puts my body and health and well-being at risk. When I have already been put through the mill by this man.

Yet still you think he is a good dad and even though he has done this, you are quite rightly outraged and angry you wont leave him will you.

QueenBitch666 · 02/04/2024 17:13

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 16:19

I cannot use hormonal contraceptives and I personally think my partner should take control & not ejaculate where it’s not wanted, as agreed

If you're so against pregnancy get yourself sterilised. Take responsibility for your own fertility. And before anyone starts bleating about female sterilisation being invasive, traumatic, up to the man to get a vasectomy ( delete as appropriate ) I was sterilised age 30 ( childfree by choice )
A straight forward, uncomplicated, pain free procedure and as I imagine far less traumatic than abortion 🤷‍♀️

FasterthanaButteredOtter · 02/04/2024 17:15

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 16:19

I cannot use hormonal contraceptives and I personally think my partner should take control & not ejaculate where it’s not wanted, as agreed

Abusive partners often use pregnancy/children as a way of tying their victim to them, knowing that they are less likely to leave if children are involved. He's likely angry at you for the termination as for him, this is a loss of a means of control over you.

You may wish he did behave as you want with regards to pulling out, but you can't trust him now. He wants you pregnant. He'll keep trying.

You need to take care of contraception yourself, and I don't mean tracking methods. He may instigate sex at a fertile time and ignore your wishes again, and if you don't want to go through another termination, you need to make sure this doesn't happen by using an ACTUAL effective contraception, not charts and dates.

But really, you should leave as I doubt he will change. This might take time and organising so until then you need to make sure you are safe from pregnancy.

Fannyfiggs · 02/04/2024 17:57

Soontobe60 · 02/04/2024 13:29

He’s an arse. Id be off like a shot, but if you choose to stay with him and don't want an unplanned pregnancy, either stop having sex, or use actual contraception. Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of contraception.

Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of contraception

Why are you shaming a fellow woman for her very valid and very legal choice?

I'm bitterly disappointed in this comment.

MarionMarion · 02/04/2024 18:01

Moonshine5 · 02/04/2024 16:58

Why - where is your agency? It's your body take some personal responsibility.
Also why do you want to "bump uglies" with this person?

And the OP did take responsibility.
But her decision was based on the idea she could trust her DP. Trust him and take him to his word that he would do what he agreed on, pull out.

The issue is not that the OP was careless and took no responsibility.
It was that her DP broke her trust.

blondieminx · 02/04/2024 18:03

CrunchingNumbers · 02/04/2024 13:13

Run. That's the crux of my thoughts. Run.

Edited

absolutely this

he is not safe.

MarionMarion · 02/04/2024 18:04

@Sophie0983 I know this is not the point of this thread as such.
But would you be comfortable using the copper coil instead (so no hormones)?

I can’t use hormonal contraception at all. It makes me deeply depressed and close to suicidal.
The copper coil was the other option that medics could offer. It didn’t work for me but maybe it would work for you?

Moonshine5 · 02/04/2024 18:22

MarionMarion · 02/04/2024 18:01

And the OP did take responsibility.
But her decision was based on the idea she could trust her DP. Trust him and take him to his word that he would do what he agreed on, pull out.

The issue is not that the OP was careless and took no responsibility.
It was that her DP broke her trust.

Edited

This is where we disagree. I do not think relying on an abusive partner to pull out is responsible of the OP. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't men leak prior to ejaculation?

100% the abusive partner has done nothing to engender trust so it is ridiculous for the OP to think his pattern of behaviour will change and he is suddenly trustworthy. OP displays behaviours of irresponsibility (maybe not her fault due to abuse - but dangerous nevertheless as she has a 4 year old child to consider).

Fawklight · 02/04/2024 18:24

The issue here isn't the form of contraception you've chosen. This is fine and alot of people use this form successfully.

No this issue is this man has rapped you. You consented to sex as long as he pulled out. He didn't and broke the agreement and there for you consent was void.

You need to seriously think about leaving this man.

crumblingschools · 02/04/2024 18:32

Was your child in the car when your partner caused the accident?

Devonshiregal · 02/04/2024 18:37

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 13:19

I’ve thought about leaving so many times, I don’t know how it always comes back to the positives of him being a good dad, and providing for us all, when it’s good it’s good but when it’s bad, it’s well… like the above.

You know you can actually have a partner who is a good dad and provides for you all AND who isn’t an absolute arsehole?

Canthave2manycats · 02/04/2024 18:39

Sophie0983 · 02/04/2024 17:05

Wow - my personal responsibility over my
body comes with the contraceptive method we had chosen and agreed upon as consenting adults. That changed when he did something that I had specifically NOT consented to. That very thing puts my body and health and well-being at risk. When I have already been put through the mill by this man.

Why stay with a man who has "put you through the mill"?