Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Thread gallery
7
WillimNot · 22/04/2024 11:28

summermumma2021 · 22/04/2024 06:55

Oh this thread really helps me to feel less alone.
I'm estranged from my Dad, step-mother and siblings on that side. They live locally to us and sometimes I will bump into my step-sister and her children.
I found that when I became a mum I could suddenly see how I had been treated as the scapegoat for years. I felt so strongly that I didn't want my kids involved in their lives and addictions issues/toxic behaviours so I tried to speak out about it. I was met with abusive messages, multiple family members dismissing me completely and mocking my feelings and observations.
I made the decision to delete my social media and reduce contact and I was surprised at the explosive reaction my boundaries caused.
We have very limited contact.
I have been surprised by how much clarity I've gained and how much calmer I feel generally.
There are times I really miss the family unit that it could have been but it's never actually been that. I find all the hate and misunderstanding of me hard to deal with.

I felt the same when I became a mum, that I had this almost instant, overwhelming love and feeling of needing to protect my child. And I felt it so much at that time that clearly, something went very wrong with my mother because she obviously didn't feel that with me.

To my mind, and those who know the situation of old, she is very mentally ill, dangerously so. But agencies have been blind to it when she was causing me issues which for anonymity purposes I can't speak about here. But they are huge, appalling issues which, when someone independent looked into them years later (when I was caught up in a review due to another individual going through similar and suing for vast damages), I was told they messed up. I could've sued but I just couldn't because it would've opened up more opportunities for abuse by her. I was told that actually, rather than being seen as the problem, it was all her.

However, as I say, it's my Dad I'm the most angry at. She's unstable and has packed the help she needed and which could've stopped it all. The system failed her (and by default my sister and I) as the system does.

My dad was just selfish. He didn't want to be twice divorced due to embarrassment. He is intelligent so he must have known she was out of order. But he ignored it.

Now, my sister is dead, my mother won't see that she is probably the root cause indirectly (because obviously I don't know what the cause was until there will be an inquest this month, but most of us who know what she is like all reckon there is a massive chance she did something to cause my sister so much pain and upset that she contributed to her death).

There are so many triggers which you see that what you went through as a kid wasn't normal. But because schools and agencies looked for a "type" or looked for bruises and I was a fed child with clean clothes and shiny shoes, rather than underfed, dirty and wearing raggedy clothes, I slipped through the net. And the rare times when teachers did notice signs that things weren't right and agencies got involved, she would put on a show, as a middle class parent, in a two parent family in her M&S twin set and no benefits household, and they'd believe her that I was an attention seeker. I was made to go through family therapy where one of the people there said I got bullied at school for attention because I enjoyed it! Who shouted at me for saying no, that my mother was abusive, and called me a liar.

It's horrifying actually, when I look back on it all.

Tara336 · 22/04/2024 11:50

@Kittywittywoo just POA and wills are next

Kittywittywoo · 22/04/2024 17:24

Tara336 · 22/04/2024 11:50

@Kittywittywoo just POA and wills are next

Do it asap . Protect yourself .

Darker · 24/04/2024 19:07

Good evening…. Hope everyone is ok.

OP posts:
socks1107 · 24/04/2024 20:24

Hi Darker. How are you?
We have had indirect contact this week. I say indirect as it's come via a third party that is about my sd but was nasty and spiteful.
Set us back a little and leaves an anxious feeling as she doesn't want contact just our money to pay for something đŸ˜•

EricHebbornInItaly · 24/04/2024 20:41

Thanks for starting the thread. Very cathartic to have somewhere to vent my sorrows.

Dh and I are estranged from the in-laws. It was a long time coming tbh. They were insensitive and awful through miscarriages and ivf and then I finally became pregnant it became all about them. Throwing strops when we wouldn’t let them announce the pregnancy because it was high risk, his mother telling me the baby was likely to have Down syndrome because I was ‘old’ and then when the test came back very very low risk his mother disappointedly saying that she was very surprised. Being completely overbearing and utterly awful when our baby was born, so that it affected my and the baby’s health. His mother ruined the christening with a nasty comment about my appearance and then the last straw was her losing her shit when we invited her to ours rather than trek round to hers on Christmas Eve (I’ve had multiple spinal surgeries and me and DH were exhausted), and caused such a stink her husband (DH’s father) sent such a nasty message of her laundry list of complaints it ruined both Christmas and we cancelled our baby’s first birthday a few days later.

It is very sad as my own family is small as they were immigrants and I’d hoped to marry into a huge extended family. His mother in particular can’t see her children as autonomous adults and unfortunately everyone around enables her shitty behaviour.

I would have accepted a sincere apology but after 4 months I receive a ‘sorry you’re offended’ non apology and burned her last bridge with me. I’m done. Still sad about it though. Love DH but guttered his family are so vile.

Darker · 25/04/2024 08:18

@EricHebbornInItaly I’m sorry your in-laws were so awful during your pregnancy.

My mum was off with my SiL about babies… I found it very uncomfortable. It was as if she resented my brother’s wife having his children.

OP posts:
Darker · 26/04/2024 09:29

Good morning, @Betternowthannever @EricHebbornInItaly @FiveLamps @Gettingbysomehow @Hi01 @Hillwalkingjunkie @Hopingforno2in2024 @ItsFreedomBabyYeah @Kittywittywoo @LMMuffet @Notgivingup54 @QuickMember @Tara336 @WillimNot @Yirk @goodnessmeandgosh @medianewbie

So good that you have all contributed to this thread - it is reassuring that we are not alone! I hope everyone is ok.

I’m having a tough week this week because of my child, who is distancing herself. I had hoped to break the cycle. But there is still hope. Maybe having these difficult conversations now will mean some healing can begin, in time.

OP posts:
QuickMember · 26/04/2024 14:09

Darker · 26/04/2024 09:29

Good morning, @Betternowthannever @EricHebbornInItaly @FiveLamps @Gettingbysomehow @Hi01 @Hillwalkingjunkie @Hopingforno2in2024 @ItsFreedomBabyYeah @Kittywittywoo @LMMuffet @Notgivingup54 @QuickMember @Tara336 @WillimNot @Yirk @goodnessmeandgosh @medianewbie

So good that you have all contributed to this thread - it is reassuring that we are not alone! I hope everyone is ok.

I’m having a tough week this week because of my child, who is distancing herself. I had hoped to break the cycle. But there is still hope. Maybe having these difficult conversations now will mean some healing can begin, in time.

Hi Darker, I have been reading the posts on here but have been so occupied with work. Thank you for the mention. I am doing well. I hope that you can find some clarity and peace ahead. When you love and want the best for someone, their distance hurts. I hope something can be resolved. You are wonderful for doing the hard work.

DitzyDoughnutt · 26/04/2024 14:53

@Darker

Thanks for the mention. Try not to let it take over your life . It's upsetting , but try and have other good things in your life and always have something to look forward too . Make it plain you are always here for them and your door and heart is always open and try and get on with life as much as possible. We can't control other people only ourselves

Tara336 · 26/04/2024 15:21

Hi @Darker sorry not posted have an awful cold that won't go away ! Hope your OK? Everything is quiet here had a letter confirming our POA is going go e in place the next couple weeks and then we will start sorting our wills. We are pretty sure what we will be doing and have taken professional advice, we need to make it clear who is excluded as well as included. SD hasn't darkened our door for a couple weeks and I have decided I will not be here if she tries to visit as she's burnt all her bridges with me. To be fair to DH he has pulled her up before now on her crappy behaviour and made her apologise but that was only one occasion after I was sent nasty messages.

WillimNot · 26/04/2024 18:27

Hello @Darker and thanks for tagging me

I'm OK.

We have a tonne going on at the moment, we lost our jobs just after Christmas and then our home, so have been staying with DHs family. Trying to find a new home was a nightmare! But we finally seem to be sorted.

It means I can take my mind of my Dsis and the inquest, which is a few days of what would've been her birthday. I don't live near to go the actual inquest, but I'm weighing up looking to get a copy of it. It won't achieve much. The thing with an inquest in situations like this is the person who can tell them why isn't here. So I won't know. Her friends certainly don't and these are long-term friends. No one can understand what caused it, other than a number of suggestions that my mother is at the core of it somewhere. She's a hateful old troll, my son has never met her but heard her voice and he had to leave the room as he was shaking. He felt bad as he said he would hold my hand while I called her to ask wtf had happened. I didn't want him to. He just said he understood really for the first time why I find it so difficult to speak about her, let alone to her. It wasn't even on speakerphone.

But the move and setting up the business will at least give me a focus.

Darker · 27/04/2024 09:02

@WillimNot that’s extraordinary about how your son reacted to the sound of your mum’s voice. Made me shiver.

I’m sorry for your loss, and the trauma of the circumstances. I hope the inquest gives you some peace… though by the sound of it that isn’t very likely.

OP posts:
Hopingforno2in2024 · 28/04/2024 07:31

Hi @Darker I am so sorry that you are struggling this week. Family estrangement can take you to such dark places. When this happens with me I really focus on self care. It doesn’t solve anything but I find that it gives me just enough strength to keep going until things begin to feel better. Little things like making myself a posh hot chocolate, treating myself to a new book etc.

I have had a busy and productive week. My period came so I saw my fertility clinic and should be transferring my one remaining embryo at the start of June. Yesterday our village church held a spring fair which I was very involved in organising and running. It was so nice to spend time with the friends I have built up in the local community. I also began an Introduction to Speech and Language Therapy course this week as I am trying to work out what I want to do career wise.

Today is a mix of emotions. We are going to have lunch with DH’s grandparents who have stood with us through the family estrangement but they don’t actually know why we are estranged from DH’s step dad. So it can be a bit awkward and just seeing a member of DH’s family reminds me of everything that has happened.

Darker · 28/04/2024 08:24

It sounds as if you have a lot on, @Hopingforno2in2024 . Lots of possibilities for change. Good luck with lunch today.

OP posts:
mrssunshinexxx · 28/04/2024 15:29

Placemarking so I can come back in a day or so when I feel able to explain my story if NC. Sorry to you all having such a tough time , families can be so difficult and damaging x

Darker · 28/04/2024 15:37

Welcome @mrssunshinexxx. Take your time.

OP posts:
Sparklybutold · 28/04/2024 15:50

Hello everyone.

I am estranged from all my family. It's a weird feeling. An internal loneliness. DH family not talking about it doesn't help either. Friends don't either.

I did reach out to one of my brothers just before Xmas. He replied, but it was a strange reply. It felt forced informing me of his great life - 'successful' this and that. He also stated he doesn't want drama. I know I'm the escape goat, I know our narcissistic dad has made me the scape goat. He did suggest meeting up in Jan. I haven't yet replied. I don't know why really.

Anyone else been in a similar situation?

I have another brother, who I think about reaching out too - but he raped and sexually assaulted me when I was very young. I have reported this to the police but haven't prosecuted. What does one do in this situation?

Dad is a narc and lives abroad and sadly my mum died when I was 3.

Sparklybutold · 28/04/2024 15:53

QuickMember · 09/04/2024 11:03

I’m finding it hard to be estranged from family. The short story is that I went no contact because of decades of verbal abuse. Constant belittlement towards me, no matter how hard I tried to put boundaries. Was worried about my daughter so ended the visits.

I had a really difficult childhood, not saying that there weren’t positives but have to acknowledge the experience. Verbal and physical abuse.

Family is a narcissistic family system with narcissist (I don’t use that word lightly) and enabler in their own ways punching down.

What I find hard is the shame and anger at the enabler also, for being knowingly dismissive.

I listen to Dr Ramani to help (I also write) and just get on with life and parenting. If you’ve read this, thank you and look forward to chatting with anyone.

I found that when I started to become a mum, I knew I had to estrange. Every time I had contact it would destroy me. Even as an adult my dad could be so cruel. This doesn't mean it's easy to be estranged. I mourn daily for the family I wished I had. There are so many moments I want to be cared for in a parental way. I know the way I am with my kids is in some way fulfilling what I would have liked to receive.

Sparklybutold · 28/04/2024 15:55

Darker · 10/04/2024 08:27

Yes I recognise the ‘bonding’ that happened in my family between those who were bullying others and their enablers. It was quite complicated… people who had difficult relationships with each other would find common cause when it suited them.

I read recently that trauma bonding is incredibly strong, stronger that a healthy bond in terms of being able to leave. We are built to love and be near our parents, so when this becomes abusive, we continually reattempt contact - almost like a beaten dog that would go back to its 'master'

QuickMember · 28/04/2024 20:00

Sparklybutold · 28/04/2024 15:53

I found that when I started to become a mum, I knew I had to estrange. Every time I had contact it would destroy me. Even as an adult my dad could be so cruel. This doesn't mean it's easy to be estranged. I mourn daily for the family I wished I had. There are so many moments I want to be cared for in a parental way. I know the way I am with my kids is in some way fulfilling what I would have liked to receive.

Yes, becoming a mum was eye opening, I know I’ve made the right decision to not be with someone that sabotages and belittles. I have come to a point where if anyone asks about my family, I just focus on past memories that are palatable for people to hear.

Mourning is a huge part of estrangement. I hope you can experience some peace and the fact that you deserve a better life away from abuse.

socks1107 · 28/04/2024 20:39

I agree with morning because of estrangement. I've told my husband he will be/ has been grieving. Grieving the person, what he thought the future would be and his memories that have been questioned

stronglatte · 28/04/2024 20:54

This is a fantastic thread - nc is not easy especially when you've grown up being told your the one to blame

Poppalina37 · 28/04/2024 21:22

I'm learning about trauma bonding x

I've had to see a counsellor... I've got NC with my family.... I knew it was coming but after an Easter holiday with them all I feel traumatised.

It's so hard and toxic to be around them. I have such healthy relationships with my friends and colleagues where I'm respected and heard. A few days with them and I'm back into survival mode...

I feel like I'm grieving, in a state of shock and I can't stop randomly crying.. I'm hoping this will get easier x

katebushh · 28/04/2024 21:58

Hello, I'd like to join once I've read the whole thread.

Swipe left for the next trending thread