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Imagine A World Without Men

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Interested2024 · 22/03/2024 02:33

What would that world really look like? I'm toying with a piece I am writing on this subject and was asking friends and family, thought I'd ask you as well.

To be honest I am not thinking so much of a world without men, as we need men and women to carry on the human race. But rather I'm contemplating a city, or a state where women and men were segregated off.

As place where women lived by choice completely separate to men, with no interaction with men at all.

To be upfront, I have a husband and an adult son both of whom I love. I can't really imagine living away from them, or never seeing them.

But if they had never existed, if I had no close male relatives I cared about - then I would actually be ok with it, I think. Or would I?

I'd miss sex a fair bit, to be honest,and physical touch with my husband genreally. If anything happened to my husband though I would not be pursuing any more sexual relationships, this is my second and last marriage, cannot be bothered with the rigmarole of dating ever again.

And women have zero sexual appeal to me, but I suppose there's always vibrators!

But sex aside, what would living in a city filled with women really be like?

There'd be no ongoing threat of rape or of murder by men. There'd be far fewer murders, almost none I suppose.

I'd imagine it would be just generally a lot safer, as women are (whether misogynists and pickmes like to admit it or not) a lot less physically violent than men. They just are. Citation - all of human history.

Would there be more arts? More of what sort of jobs and industry and less of what? What would exist that just can't in our current world - or would it just be weird and unpleasant?

Women can be abusive, and even sometimes to their kids. Would they be more or less so without men around I wonder?

What would be find to compete about without being trained to compete for male attention all our lives?

Would it be nicer? More fun? Or more boring? Men seem to have a bit of drive that women miss, like the drive to change and conquer - or is that just my imagination?

I'm genuinely asking the question and I am interested to know the answers.

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Loubelle70 · 22/03/2024 07:18

2Old2Tango · 22/03/2024 07:14

I went on to Amazon to look for this and see it's been made into a tv series available on Amazon Prime. Season one came out in 2023 and has 9 episodes.

Could you put a link up please

Superlambaanana · 22/03/2024 07:21

The Power Season 1. Check it out now on Prime Video! https://watch.amazon.co.uk/detail?gti=amzn1.dv.gti.78b273cc-eeeb-4db0-97ea-e5161c88305a&territory=GB&ref=shareeiosseason&r=web

I think this is my evening's viewing sorted!

Loubelle70 · 22/03/2024 07:22

helpfulperson · 22/03/2024 07:17

more even than those types of jobs I think it's the bin men, sewer repairers, road repairers, working on oil rigs and cargo ships, grave diggers, forestry workers, long distance lorry drivers etc that we would miss as I can't see many women being willing to do these jobs.

Id do them all. Infact i wanted to be a grave digger when younger.
Ive done some pretty manual jobs...we build muscle if its exercised. We adapt. We also would find ways around things to make them doable

Loubelle70 · 22/03/2024 07:24

Superlambaanana · 22/03/2024 07:21

The Power Season 1. Check it out now on Prime Video! https://watch.amazon.co.uk/detail?gti=amzn1.dv.gti.78b273cc-eeeb-4db0-97ea-e5161c88305a&territory=GB&ref=shareeiosseason&r=web

I think this is my evening's viewing sorted!

Thankyou. Im working from home for few hour.. going to watch this this afternoon xx

AstralSpace · 22/03/2024 07:25

Nesbi · 22/03/2024 07:16

I could easily imagine this being a society in which women’s capacity for violence becomes more obvious. You could consider scenarios like the role that women played in inflicting violence in the Cultural Revolution for example. With sufficient motivation, with a belief that a subset of society are somehow lesser, it could all come pouring out.

What if the women who manage to assert the power in this society are the type to stand outside abortion clinics with placards about god, screaming abuse at the women who dare to go near? Or women like the one I saw last week screaming racist abuse at a shop worker who was trying to help her?

I think power abhors a vacuum, and sadly power is often taken by those who show the most ruthlessness, which includes a willingness to oppress and capacity to use violence, fear and intimidation.

Totally agree with this.
Women would form their own hierarchy. Would the fairest and strongest rise to the top or the most violent and aggressive?
They would form groups. I wonder how rivalries would develop and play out.

Magnoliasarelovely · 22/03/2024 07:26

Yeah, no. If you think utopias work then you don’t know your history.

IFHTTBIC · 22/03/2024 07:29

There's an old story by John Wyndham called Consider her Ways that you might like. Wyndham also wrote Day of the Triffids and various other science fiction tales.

Magpiecomplex · 22/03/2024 07:34

Another book you might like is The Gate to Women's Country by Sheri Tepper. Not exactly the scenario you describe, but it looks at the process of getting there.

ToveJanssonsWife · 22/03/2024 07:39

There are very few plumbers, electricians, car mechanics or builders/roofers that are female. It's hard enough to find a competent tradesperson as it is.

In WW2 women managed to very competently fill typically male roles, to the point where, on the mens’ return there was a whole campaign to re-educate women to be perfect Doris Day housewives, which (I believe) led to many women in the 1950s to have problems with alcohol and tranquillisers in order to keep up the expectation that women should be in their place - the kitchen or the bedroom!

ToveJanssonsWife · 22/03/2024 07:57

I’m not sure I agree with the assumption that women would fill the male role of violence and power. I mean to an extent there would be a perceived power imbalance, but in all groups of animals there is a hierarchy. In current human groups the hierarchy is powerful men at the top.

Matriarchal societies were known to be much fairer for all involved.
I don’t agree with the premise that without men women will automatically fill their roles wrt violence and power, it’s almost like it’s assumed that women are suppressed men until they’re allowed to have power. Men and women are different, our bodies carry out different roles. Our hormones are different (the same ones but in different ratios), which I suspect would make a huge difference in how society developed if it were man free.

User135644 · 22/03/2024 08:10

Would this include all male inventions? Sewage treatments etc. Anyone fancy working in a sewage plant?

Noicant · 22/03/2024 08:18

helpfulperson · 22/03/2024 07:17

more even than those types of jobs I think it's the bin men, sewer repairers, road repairers, working on oil rigs and cargo ships, grave diggers, forestry workers, long distance lorry drivers etc that we would miss as I can't see many women being willing to do these jobs.

I’ve met female oil engineers who’ve worked in quite unstable places. Not many granted but they do exist and I’m pretty sure women would start filling the gaps. I’d be pretty happy doing physical work.

Noicant · 22/03/2024 08:22

I like the idea of being able to work around listening to a podcast without the fear I’ll be attacked. I think also just the experience of being able to walk around without the threat of having insults hurled at you. How many women here have had some twat roll down a window and scream at them in the street. I think the general standard of whats expected in terms of social behaviour would be higher. The crime statistics speak for themselves, I don’t think women would become more criminal just to fill the void left by male criminality.

Noicant · 22/03/2024 08:23

I think there would be power plays, we are still animals and women like being on top of a hierarchy just as much as men but I think the methods would move away from outright violence to something else…not sure what.

perfectcolourfound · 22/03/2024 08:25

User135644 · 22/03/2024 08:10

Would this include all male inventions? Sewage treatments etc. Anyone fancy working in a sewage plant?

While there are many inventions, made by men, I'm very grateful for, they weren't invented by men because only a man was capable of inventing them.

They were invented by men because women weren't allowed to progress in the same way men did. Those who came from famililies where education was possible, weren't allowed to be educated as far as their brothers. They were told their priority was to bag a husband and have children. Those with obvious brain power were looked down on, judged, dissauded from doing anything with it. There are a number of inventions and ideas in history which were born of a woman but put under a man's name. Because people wouldn't accept it from a woman.

So yes I'm grateful for those inventions and glad someone had that idea, but not grateful to MANkind for them. In the absence of millenia of women being downtrodden, women would have come up with the same ideas.

dontcryformeargentina · 22/03/2024 08:32

I think women will feel truly safe - running at night, wearing clothes which can be classified as provocative without giving a second thought, smiling more , being less on guard...

TheCadoganArms · 22/03/2024 08:36

cuckyplunt · 22/03/2024 06:17

Well, a sunset of dominant women would step up to fill the arsehole roles I suspect.
In order to be oppressed, one needs an oppressor.

Was about to say something similar. If the existing patriarchal power structures disappeared overnight with the removal of the men that once held them do you really think there will just be an empty power vacuum? A new hierarchy will form with ambitious (and not necessarily moral) women taking over who will happily exploit, coerce and threaten their way to power.

PaintedEgg · 22/03/2024 08:38

there were societies like this, including european convents in middle ages. Using these as an example...the gaps in trade would be filled as women were able to pick those up

there would be less "obvious" physical and sexual violence, but abuse would still happen

Nasty hierarchy would still emerge

Women are human and humans are not that nice

Sashamalia · 22/03/2024 08:39

I think there should definitely be more female only areas anyway

I used to solo travel a lot, ten years ago.

When I stayed in hotels , I never felt safe as the male staff would chat me up/just walk into my hotel room .

Knowing that they had a card to my room and could just walk in. I never felt safe.

I always said back then that there should be female only hotels. There weren't any then.

Now there are a couple
I just stayed in a female only hotel in spain.

Only women can stay there.
And only women can work there.

I felt so safe. It was great
And all the women were kind to each other

I don't think there should be women only countries

But there should definitely be women only hotels, and other areas. Maybe a woman inly compartment on the tube as I got groped the other day by a man

ViciousCurrentBun · 22/03/2024 08:40

Power plays still but the risk of sexual assault and violence would be diminished, the risk would be minuscule.

schnubbins · 22/03/2024 08:42

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 22/03/2024 06:19

I think people who have been to all girls boarding schools or universities would be well placed to advise you op

Or Nursing

Sashamalia · 22/03/2024 08:42

I love staying in female only hotels.

I don't think there are any in the UK.
But there are abroad.

mooncloud1 · 22/03/2024 08:49

@Interested2024 I find this idea fascinating and have thought about it before.
I have read a couple of good books with this idea. 'The end of men' and even better was 'moths' I recommend the second one especially, and it is pretty much like to say, the world is a much safer place.

helpfulperson · 22/03/2024 09:01

Also as witnessed by the stories on here about people mistreated by their mothers, sisters etc women are very capable of being very nasty. Also stories of female bosses. I think it would remove some of the risks and unpleasantness but introduce others.

Sashamalia · 22/03/2024 09:01

helpfulperson · 22/03/2024 09:01

Also as witnessed by the stories on here about people mistreated by their mothers, sisters etc women are very capable of being very nasty. Also stories of female bosses. I think it would remove some of the risks and unpleasantness but introduce others.

Yeah I don't think there should be a whole world without men.

But wouldn't it be good , if there were more female only areas?

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