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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD: support thread 10

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Daftasabroom · 15/03/2024 14:44

New thread.

This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.

ND people are more than welcome, some of us are in ND:ND relationships.

It's complicated and it's emotional.

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LittleSwede · 01/05/2024 12:27

@Crunchingleaf It's good to hear that you managed to leave and that you are being empathetic with yourself. My 'D'H is perhaps abusive without intent (as I posted about yesterday) but all he doesn't fit the type of man describe in the books like Why Does He Do That (Lundy Bancroft) and the Freedom Program I went on online. Still, I am beginning to accept that intent or not, it's not right and will start to make some plans for the future.

LittleSwede · 01/05/2024 12:32

Sorry to hear so many have developed chronic health conditions, it seems so unfair. My mum has Fibromyalgia (probably from marriage to DF as well as burn out at work and also probably a life time of masking) and I sometimes wonder if I am about to develop something too but blood tests never seem to show anything. On HRT now which may help with fatigue.

ThischarmingHam · 01/05/2024 14:07

I’ve had/got long covid/CFS. Always assumed before this that mind and body are very separate. Now I understand quite clearly that long term emotional stress makes you ill.

Crunchingleaf · 01/05/2024 14:58

LittleSwede · 01/05/2024 12:27

@Crunchingleaf It's good to hear that you managed to leave and that you are being empathetic with yourself. My 'D'H is perhaps abusive without intent (as I posted about yesterday) but all he doesn't fit the type of man describe in the books like Why Does He Do That (Lundy Bancroft) and the Freedom Program I went on online. Still, I am beginning to accept that intent or not, it's not right and will start to make some plans for the future.

I had exactly the same experience reading why does he do that. I see myself in the women’s stories and I never saw Ex as fitting the profile for the abuser. However, I have reached the position now that intent doesn’t matter because I probably will always in some way be affected by it.
When I am under ‘normal’ stress now I can really feel the impact of stress on my body. That was once my everyday experience stuck in flight/fight or fawn mode.

I have to live with the guilt now of not leaving sooner because the effects it had on DC. DC was also living in that constant fight or flight mode. One thing I noticed shortly after leaving was that DC’s social skills and ability to regulate his emotions just came on leaps and bounds once we left. If I had left sooner maybe the trauma would have been less for DC.

BustyLaRoux · 01/05/2024 15:41

Not sure if I should start a different thread about being the child of an ASD parent. I mean I am also the partner of another ASD man and have posted about both on here. Today I have this sense of abject sadness and today is in relation to my “D” F. He just doesn’t understand what it is to be a parent.

I have a complicated financial arrangement which I entered into when I was just 26 and my now ex DH was 25. We were so desperate to buy a flat. We had no financial sense and were unable to consider the implications of what we were doing. I bitterly regret this now of course and would have been far better borrowing from the bank which we could easily have done! In short we borrowed £100k and despite paying back over £75k to him we still owe him over £88k. He maintains he has done us a huge favour. We won’t pay it back before he dies at the rate we repay, so it will be deducted from my share of inheritance. Meaning there won’t be much left for me to actually inherit as this loan will use it all up. He maintains he’s only charged us what a bank would have charged etc etc. I didn’t have any financial sense and I still don’t. My ex continues to pay him back but when my DF dies I doubt I will receive anything by way of repayment from my ex and the money will be written off/deducted from my share and my ex will keep whatever he hasn’t paid off no doubt. There is no contract nor any paperwork as my DF refused to have anything drawn up. My ex and I get on fine but he refuses to discuss this or put anything in writing and I know he’s planning to rip me off when my DF does.

Today I asked for a statement. I looked at it when he sent it through and couldn’t believe that in the last 12 months I’d paid £1800 (my share of the repayments and my ex has also paid him the same), but the debt had only decreased by £60 each (so just £120 off the £88k Even though between us we paid him £3,600!)

I rang him and queried this. He said “well that’s the interest rate”. I said but as a father, is this what you want for me? Do you want me to pay you nearly £2000 and for a £60 return (this was after a conversation, not connected, this morning with him whereby he told me he had plenty of income and was doing very well for money!). He just kept saying it wasn’t his fault interest rates were high and he could actually get a slightly better deal from the bank. I said but you’re not related to the bank!! I am your child. Does that count for nothing at all? He just couldn’t grasp what I was getting at.

I said OK look, I am a parent and I would give my children the shirt off my back if they asked. Even if they didn’t ask. They wouldn’t have to ask. I would give them anything they needed. Because they’re my children and I love them and that’s what parents do. I also said I won’t see any of that money back from my ex you know? And he just replied “well it’s not MY fault”. I said but it’s not about fault! (ASD DF and DP are both obsessed with fault. Always on about fault even when no one has mentioned anything to do with anyone’s fault!)

Anyway me and my ex - We were married!! We were 25 and 26. I didn’t know it wouldn’t work out. He kept his “half” of the loan when we divorced and my dad did nothing to try and get it back and said it was nothing to do with him. I asked him for help to get a solicitor involved years later but he refused and said it wasn’t HIS problem.

Nearly all my friends and relatives have had help from their parents. Boomers who did well thanks to property prices shooting up. They got lucky. That was all. They didn’t work harder or have multiple business ventures in most cases. It was all property and being in it at the right time. And they’ve all shared it with their kids. Happy to give them a leg up. Want to see them settled. My mum would have done the same if she was alive. Just wanted her children to be comfortable and happy. She loved us and made sure we felt loved.

But she died years ago. I miss her every day. I miss what it felt like to be loved. To know someone will be there for you whatever. Who would do anything for you. Who was kind and didn’t expect anything in exchange for loving you. The way I feel about my children. But I am left with a parent who compares me to a banking customer. Who doesn’t understand why a parent would give their child anything unless there was something in it for them. Who is unwilling to help me if it means he would be out of pocket or inconvenienced in any way. Who won’t lift a finger to help me. I am nothing more to him than a customer.

I must sound spoilt and entitled and demanding of money. The truth is I ask him for nothing and have asked him for nothing since he loaned us that money 20 years ago. I wish to god we hadn’t accepted that loan. It’s not even about the money, though I make myself sick worrying about it sometimes. It’s just that he literally couldn’t understand what I meant when I said everyone I know’s parents help them and support them. My friends have been given deposits, with nothing due back. My cousin has been given a flat. My stepdad pays my Stepsisters mortgage. She is a single parent and he can afford it. But he does it BECAUSE HE WANTS TO!!! But I don’t expect that. An interest free loan rather than a gift would have been more than enough. But he just doesn’t understand WHY anyone would do such a thing. He looks at me like I’ve grown a second head if I suggest it. Because there is nothing in it for HIM. And he can’t understand that parents do stuff for their children just from love with no expectation or anything due back. Nothing to gain other than the happiness of seeing your loved ones comfortable and happy. The truth is that’s of no transactional benefit to him. He just doesn’t understand. I told him I might as well talk to my cat for all the understanding he has. All he could say was that he could get a slightly better interest rate at the bank!

After we finished on the phone I just sat and cried. I’ve never felt so unloved. I rang my lovely brother and cried down the phone. He completely understands. He feels exactly the same as I do. I feel worse than an orphan. Because my “D”F isn’t dead. He just doesn’t give a shit.

Im sorry this is so long. I know this is a parent rather than a partner but I read all the posts on here and it’s that same feeling of just not feeling loved in any way. Looking at friends and seeing their relationships and wanting so much to have something similar. Well this is how I look at my friends with their parents. Parents who are kind and loving and generous with whatever they have (it doesn’t have to be money by any means. It might be their time or their patience or anything). I have never felt so unloved. And it bloody sucks.

My SIL would tell me to have some sympathy and it’s not his fault. But I don’t care. I know that. It makes it no easier to bear, I can tell you.

BustyLaRoux · 01/05/2024 15:48

Just to say I am very lucky that my ASD DP isn’t like this. He can be overbearing and self centred at times but is very kind and completely gets how shit my DF is. He bought me flowers today and has been lovely. I am loved. By him. By others. I just feel completely unloved by my DF. He isn’t capable. He just only thinks inward (how does this affect me?!) and never ever outward (how do I affect the people around me?). The latter is alien to him. It is hard to be this person’s child. I feel so jealous of other people.

LittleSwede · 01/05/2024 17:10

@BustyLaRoux That sounds tough, sorry to hear that. I can relate to some of it with my own DF. I've had very little financial help from him in terms of the 'big' things like driving lessons, studying or deposits. He will give me and DD some 'pocket' money when I go over to Sweden and will pay for meals out etc. When he 'came into money' a few years ago he sent DD a load of very expensive model trains, enough to have paid for a car for me (mine is an old banger) or help towards some of her therapies/put into her savings, but no, it had to be on his terms so he chose something he is interested in. He bought himself a load of trains too , ran out of money eventually and is now asking my Db for a loan...

Rainbow03 · 01/05/2024 17:19

@BustyLaRoux what an awful situation. Perhaps he likes the fact you are bound to him, very controlling. I lost my dad 5 years ago now when I was 35 way too young and I miss him terribly. My mum has been of help financially but she has no feelings about it and she often says you’ll get no more out of me…oh thanks mum! My dad dying was one of the reasons I left my husband. He was no support, he never asked how his chemo went, it didn’t register with him at all that I needed help. He was just me me me. My dad was my best friend and my ex husbands behaviour was unforgivable.

BustyLaRoux · 01/05/2024 18:11

Rainbow03 · 01/05/2024 17:19

@BustyLaRoux what an awful situation. Perhaps he likes the fact you are bound to him, very controlling. I lost my dad 5 years ago now when I was 35 way too young and I miss him terribly. My mum has been of help financially but she has no feelings about it and she often says you’ll get no more out of me…oh thanks mum! My dad dying was one of the reasons I left my husband. He was no support, he never asked how his chemo went, it didn’t register with him at all that I needed help. He was just me me me. My dad was my best friend and my ex husbands behaviour was unforgivable.

That’s so sad. I always wished I had a lovely dad like the one you describe. I’m so sorry for your loss. And for your DH to offer no emotional support at such a devastating time is the shit icing on the cake. ☹️

BustyLaRoux · 01/05/2024 18:23

LittleSwede · 01/05/2024 17:10

@BustyLaRoux That sounds tough, sorry to hear that. I can relate to some of it with my own DF. I've had very little financial help from him in terms of the 'big' things like driving lessons, studying or deposits. He will give me and DD some 'pocket' money when I go over to Sweden and will pay for meals out etc. When he 'came into money' a few years ago he sent DD a load of very expensive model trains, enough to have paid for a car for me (mine is an old banger) or help towards some of her therapies/put into her savings, but no, it had to be on his terms so he chose something he is interested in. He bought himself a load of trains too , ran out of money eventually and is now asking my Db for a loan...

My DF might pay for a meal out. But only a very cheap one. And then he will go on and on and on about it. Reminding me weeks later that “I took you out for a meal”. (A meal I didn’t want and only went on to please him!) Probably cost him about £7 as he won’t pay much more than that. And I’m expected to flagellate myself in gratitude!! He wants to be thanked and thanked and thanked for doing such a small thing.

I just pay for myself now to shut him up.

But for me it isn’t about the money. It’s about what parents WANT TO DO for their children. Things they gladly do out of selfless love. And he has no ability to love selflessly. He thinks only of himself. And it’s that bit that makes me so sad. Thankfully I have therapy tomorrow morning!!

BustyLaRoux · 02/05/2024 07:04

LittleSwede · 01/05/2024 12:27

@Crunchingleaf It's good to hear that you managed to leave and that you are being empathetic with yourself. My 'D'H is perhaps abusive without intent (as I posted about yesterday) but all he doesn't fit the type of man describe in the books like Why Does He Do That (Lundy Bancroft) and the Freedom Program I went on online. Still, I am beginning to accept that intent or not, it's not right and will start to make some plans for the future.

The intent part is a really quandary. It does matter. Or does it? I can see my DP is a good person and wants to do better whenever he has upset me. He may lack the skills to do it, but he can try and his intention isn’t to hurt me. My DF also doesn’t intend to hurt me, but there is no warmth. No willingness to listen or change. No understanding. Zero empathy. Everything is a transaction. He puts zero thought or care into anyone or anything. Everything is practical. It’s not his fault but I despise him for it. I’ve lived with it too long and it is immeasurably hurtful.

So I suppose in the end the intent only matters up to a certain point. And then something just gives and then you know you have lost all fucks and just don’t want to be part of that relationship anymore.

@LittleSwede you must do what is right for you and making plans to leave seems like the right thing for you. Good luck!!! X

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 07:37

@BustyLaRoux I’m teaching my 8 year old daughter currently. She sees her dad every other weekend and he has outbursts most of the time. She came home this week crying, she cried at school also and they rang me. She was still frightened by his outburst. She said to me but mummy he was so sorry and said sorry 15 times and asked for my forgiveness. I don’t know how to feel because I love daddy but he scares me. I don’t forgive him. I said that’s absolutely fine. I know daddy can’t really control it, he isn’t doing it intentionally but how does your body feel, she says my tummy feels bad and I don’t want to eat. I always make her listen to her body and ask what she thinks. I ask her if it’s ok to shout and she says no even if he loves me. Intention really doesn’t matter, the effect on the mind and the body are the same. She will never forget and has never forgot the things he has done despite him loving her.

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 07:43

You don’t need to minimise how you feel for someone else. I’m trying to teach her self preservation, to always listen to how you feel and act. It’s ok to love and understand someone but not to the detriment of yourself and to walk away. It feels selfish and alien to me.

ThischarmingHam · 02/05/2024 07:45

Just wanted to give hugs or whatever feels right to all of you suffering. I’m so sorry. Nobody deserves this. Flowers

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 07:53

I get envious sometimes at those who’ve been parented “properly”. How easy life must be to just know these things we are having to learn.

Flittingaboutagain · 02/05/2024 08:53

Busty that sounds so rough. I'm tempted to advise you not to pay anymore and let him take you to court! It seems the terms you agreed have been made up by your Dad retrospectively anyway.

Rainbow I had similar when I lost someone close. But I wrote it off as we weren't that long together. Now I see it for what it was really. So sorry for your loss.

pikkumyy77 · 02/05/2024 12:05

BustyLaRoux · 01/05/2024 15:41

Not sure if I should start a different thread about being the child of an ASD parent. I mean I am also the partner of another ASD man and have posted about both on here. Today I have this sense of abject sadness and today is in relation to my “D” F. He just doesn’t understand what it is to be a parent.

I have a complicated financial arrangement which I entered into when I was just 26 and my now ex DH was 25. We were so desperate to buy a flat. We had no financial sense and were unable to consider the implications of what we were doing. I bitterly regret this now of course and would have been far better borrowing from the bank which we could easily have done! In short we borrowed £100k and despite paying back over £75k to him we still owe him over £88k. He maintains he has done us a huge favour. We won’t pay it back before he dies at the rate we repay, so it will be deducted from my share of inheritance. Meaning there won’t be much left for me to actually inherit as this loan will use it all up. He maintains he’s only charged us what a bank would have charged etc etc. I didn’t have any financial sense and I still don’t. My ex continues to pay him back but when my DF dies I doubt I will receive anything by way of repayment from my ex and the money will be written off/deducted from my share and my ex will keep whatever he hasn’t paid off no doubt. There is no contract nor any paperwork as my DF refused to have anything drawn up. My ex and I get on fine but he refuses to discuss this or put anything in writing and I know he’s planning to rip me off when my DF does.

Today I asked for a statement. I looked at it when he sent it through and couldn’t believe that in the last 12 months I’d paid £1800 (my share of the repayments and my ex has also paid him the same), but the debt had only decreased by £60 each (so just £120 off the £88k Even though between us we paid him £3,600!)

I rang him and queried this. He said “well that’s the interest rate”. I said but as a father, is this what you want for me? Do you want me to pay you nearly £2000 and for a £60 return (this was after a conversation, not connected, this morning with him whereby he told me he had plenty of income and was doing very well for money!). He just kept saying it wasn’t his fault interest rates were high and he could actually get a slightly better deal from the bank. I said but you’re not related to the bank!! I am your child. Does that count for nothing at all? He just couldn’t grasp what I was getting at.

I said OK look, I am a parent and I would give my children the shirt off my back if they asked. Even if they didn’t ask. They wouldn’t have to ask. I would give them anything they needed. Because they’re my children and I love them and that’s what parents do. I also said I won’t see any of that money back from my ex you know? And he just replied “well it’s not MY fault”. I said but it’s not about fault! (ASD DF and DP are both obsessed with fault. Always on about fault even when no one has mentioned anything to do with anyone’s fault!)

Anyway me and my ex - We were married!! We were 25 and 26. I didn’t know it wouldn’t work out. He kept his “half” of the loan when we divorced and my dad did nothing to try and get it back and said it was nothing to do with him. I asked him for help to get a solicitor involved years later but he refused and said it wasn’t HIS problem.

Nearly all my friends and relatives have had help from their parents. Boomers who did well thanks to property prices shooting up. They got lucky. That was all. They didn’t work harder or have multiple business ventures in most cases. It was all property and being in it at the right time. And they’ve all shared it with their kids. Happy to give them a leg up. Want to see them settled. My mum would have done the same if she was alive. Just wanted her children to be comfortable and happy. She loved us and made sure we felt loved.

But she died years ago. I miss her every day. I miss what it felt like to be loved. To know someone will be there for you whatever. Who would do anything for you. Who was kind and didn’t expect anything in exchange for loving you. The way I feel about my children. But I am left with a parent who compares me to a banking customer. Who doesn’t understand why a parent would give their child anything unless there was something in it for them. Who is unwilling to help me if it means he would be out of pocket or inconvenienced in any way. Who won’t lift a finger to help me. I am nothing more to him than a customer.

I must sound spoilt and entitled and demanding of money. The truth is I ask him for nothing and have asked him for nothing since he loaned us that money 20 years ago. I wish to god we hadn’t accepted that loan. It’s not even about the money, though I make myself sick worrying about it sometimes. It’s just that he literally couldn’t understand what I meant when I said everyone I know’s parents help them and support them. My friends have been given deposits, with nothing due back. My cousin has been given a flat. My stepdad pays my Stepsisters mortgage. She is a single parent and he can afford it. But he does it BECAUSE HE WANTS TO!!! But I don’t expect that. An interest free loan rather than a gift would have been more than enough. But he just doesn’t understand WHY anyone would do such a thing. He looks at me like I’ve grown a second head if I suggest it. Because there is nothing in it for HIM. And he can’t understand that parents do stuff for their children just from love with no expectation or anything due back. Nothing to gain other than the happiness of seeing your loved ones comfortable and happy. The truth is that’s of no transactional benefit to him. He just doesn’t understand. I told him I might as well talk to my cat for all the understanding he has. All he could say was that he could get a slightly better interest rate at the bank!

After we finished on the phone I just sat and cried. I’ve never felt so unloved. I rang my lovely brother and cried down the phone. He completely understands. He feels exactly the same as I do. I feel worse than an orphan. Because my “D”F isn’t dead. He just doesn’t give a shit.

Im sorry this is so long. I know this is a parent rather than a partner but I read all the posts on here and it’s that same feeling of just not feeling loved in any way. Looking at friends and seeing their relationships and wanting so much to have something similar. Well this is how I look at my friends with their parents. Parents who are kind and loving and generous with whatever they have (it doesn’t have to be money by any means. It might be their time or their patience or anything). I have never felt so unloved. And it bloody sucks.

My SIL would tell me to have some sympathy and it’s not his fault. But I don’t care. I know that. It makes it no easier to bear, I can tell you.

I know this isn’t any comfort but if there is no paperwork on the loan I would just stop paying it. He is going to stiff you when he dies no matter what.

BustyLaRoux · 02/05/2024 17:33

pikkumyy77 · 02/05/2024 12:05

I know this isn’t any comfort but if there is no paperwork on the loan I would just stop paying it. He is going to stiff you when he dies no matter what.

Well yeah but I think there will be about £30k maybe still to come my way. I’m already expecting my ex will stiff me for the £44k he owes my dad. I can’t really afford to write off another £30k as well. So I just keep going for now.

I would dearly love to tell him to piss off for good though. I fantasise about it sometimes! Tell him truthfully how he’s been a terrible father and should never have had children. He doesn’t know how to love another person. I wish I could tell him how we all talk about him behind his back and have to support each other because of how awful he is. How our patience is worn thin dealing with his horrible behaviour. I don’t wish him harm or suffering but I wish he wasn’t in my life. My life would be so much better if he had killed himself all those years ago when we were children as he kept threatening to. My mum might still be here for a start……

I’d love to stop paying him but even when I was on maternity leave and on about £100 a week he still made me pay. Well he gave me a payment break but then when I went back to work I had to pay double to account for missing payments on mat leave. Never mind we had two kids in nursery and paid over £1000 a month in nursery fees and were so skint. No. We had to pay up!

BustyLaRoux · 02/05/2024 17:40

BustyLaRoux · 02/05/2024 07:04

The intent part is a really quandary. It does matter. Or does it? I can see my DP is a good person and wants to do better whenever he has upset me. He may lack the skills to do it, but he can try and his intention isn’t to hurt me. My DF also doesn’t intend to hurt me, but there is no warmth. No willingness to listen or change. No understanding. Zero empathy. Everything is a transaction. He puts zero thought or care into anyone or anything. Everything is practical. It’s not his fault but I despise him for it. I’ve lived with it too long and it is immeasurably hurtful.

So I suppose in the end the intent only matters up to a certain point. And then something just gives and then you know you have lost all fucks and just don’t want to be part of that relationship anymore.

@LittleSwede you must do what is right for you and making plans to leave seems like the right thing for you. Good luck!!! X

I can completely see what you’re saying. I think with a child as young as yours then they’re not able to understand nuance such as intention. And not should they have to! He is mean to her and he makes her frightened and that’s awful and no she doesn’t need to forgive him.

I think that when someone is willing to change and is able to accept they have behaviours which are upsetting then I am willing to give them a chance. My DP shouts but he knows how shouting makes me feel now and he nearly always apologised and says it was unhelpful and he is working on it. I have definitely seen an improvement.

My DF has no intention of changing. He shouts because he wants to. He wouldn’t give two fucks if I said his shouting had upset me. It wouldn’t even enter his head to think past his own feelings to consider mine, even if they were spelt out to him. My feelings wouldn’t register at all. He has kicked me, punched me in the face and never once has he apologised to me. There is no intention to change, no apology, no listening to my feelings. Zero. Nothing. I know this is his condition. But I care not. He’s a vile man.

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 17:52

@BustyLaRoux its going to sound selfish but it all boils down to how much you want a happy life. Holding onto resentment makes your life worse. Holding onto endless hope another will change, the time is ticking away. I chose myself and I wanted the time I had left to be happy. I watched my dad suffer and then die. It final, that’s it no more life. I go to bed now tired yes but I’m happy with my life. The people who’ve done me harm or have brought me sadness or I gave my love and time I have accepted that is the past.

BustyLaRoux · 02/05/2024 19:12

@Rainbow03 you’re so right. I really thought I’d dealt with the childhood stuff. Being with my DP, dealing with his ASD, has really dragged up a lot of resentment about my DF. Resentment I honestly didn’t know I had! I have let go of so much in my life because I don’t believe in hanging onto resentment. It’s so unhealthy. Part of the reason for seeking therapy is to try and move past this. I think I won’t truly be able to until he dies though.

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 19:26

Healing comes with acceptance and breaking the link between their existence and your feelings. My ex is still alive and doing his thing, we are connected through our daughter. My mum is still alive and doing her thing. We are not connected emotionally anymore. I accept who they are and I accept the part they and I played and that link has gone. I don’t wish harm anymore, I don’t wish death on them anymore. I don’t think about them in terms of my life now. Acceptance is hard but it’s necessary. Not forgiveness just letting it go.

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 19:32

It’s taken me 5 years though to work through all my feelings!

BustyLaRoux · 03/05/2024 07:05

Rainbow03 · 02/05/2024 19:26

Healing comes with acceptance and breaking the link between their existence and your feelings. My ex is still alive and doing his thing, we are connected through our daughter. My mum is still alive and doing her thing. We are not connected emotionally anymore. I accept who they are and I accept the part they and I played and that link has gone. I don’t wish harm anymore, I don’t wish death on them anymore. I don’t think about them in terms of my life now. Acceptance is hard but it’s necessary. Not forgiveness just letting it go.

I think while I am still forced to have contact with him that I can’t seem to accept it and move on. He continues to treat us all badly but with righteousness thrown in! I am hanging in here for the small amount of £££ that I hope will come my way. I realise this sounds terrible of me. But there has to be some pay off for all the years I’ve put up with his abusive behaviour. I don’t wish him harm. I think because I know he doesn’t mean it. He doesn’t have the skills or innate qualities to be a parent or a husband. He has failed at both. But he doesn’t realise that. He is blissfully unaware. And because of that I cannot truly hate him but I do despise having him in my life.

Flittingaboutagain · 03/05/2024 09:38

BustyLaRoux · 03/05/2024 07:05

I think while I am still forced to have contact with him that I can’t seem to accept it and move on. He continues to treat us all badly but with righteousness thrown in! I am hanging in here for the small amount of £££ that I hope will come my way. I realise this sounds terrible of me. But there has to be some pay off for all the years I’ve put up with his abusive behaviour. I don’t wish him harm. I think because I know he doesn’t mean it. He doesn’t have the skills or innate qualities to be a parent or a husband. He has failed at both. But he doesn’t realise that. He is blissfully unaware. And because of that I cannot truly hate him but I do despise having him in my life.

Is a few thousand worth it to you really? It seems like a lot of emotional torture in return.

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