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Partner wants a child but constant arguments

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Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 18:14

Been with my partner for 3 years. I’m 37, he’s 35. I have 2 children from a previous marriage, he has none.
When we first met he asked if I wanted more kids as he definitely wanted them, I said I would be open to it but don’t mind either way.

For the past year, we have been arguing a lot. Lots of different issues, but our arguments seem to spiral and communication is very difficult. I find him very difficult to bring up an issue with as he immediately goes on the defensive and says ‘im always to blame’ and ‘im not good enough’. If he had an issue we generally work it out so he feels better. Very frustrating.

I feel that he is very unhappy and I’ve told him this. He is constantly complaining about the people he works with. Every day he comes home and moans about the same issues, same people etc and how they’re affecting him and making him feel. Ill also get text messages during the day of him complaining about these people. I tried to be supportive but after months of the same complaints I just find it exhausting to be honest and I did tell him the constant moaning when he comes home has to stop.

He comes home from work and games on his computer and will be on and off it the rest of the evening. He says it’s escapism because he’s stressed and I should take an interest in him playing 🙃 This has been the cause of more arguments and I’ve explained it’s not the gaming itself but rather the frequency and timing of the gaming. He’ll happily sit on it all evening after I’ve cooked dinner, done homeworks, showers, bedtimes and not even bother doing the dishes unless I ask.

He complains that he never sees his family or friends but he never makes any effort to see them, stating that he feels like he has to be here (I feel that he’s shifting the blame onto me/our relationship/my kids here) and I’ve encouraged him to go see them.

We’ve had constant arguments about housework. I’m not a clean freak by any means but I think it’s reasonable to do the hoovering, mop the floors and clean the bathroom once a week and that these tasks should be shared. I’ve generally been left to do these tasks however as he would happily sit for weeks not doing any of it. (He sees housework as doing the dishes or wiping down the kitchen surfaces which he does sometimes do). I also do most of the laundry and order the food shopping as well as working, running a little business on the side and looking after the kids. During one of our arguments we agreed who should do what jobs and that they should be done once a week; this arrangement will work for a week or two and then will slowly fall back to me because he’s stressed or just hasn’t gotten around to it. In a moment of exasperation I told him I felt like I’m mothering him and he was extremely angry and offended.

Our sex life has dwindled, due to a combination of stress, me being exhausted with everything on my shoulders, and to be honest not being as attracted to him because of our issues. I also started sertraline a few months ago.

Anyway, he really wants a child. He says it’s the only thing he can think about at the minute and keeps reminding me that I’m getting older and our chances are decreasing and he wants to have his own child to continue his legacy (?) Any pregnancy or engagement announcements with our friends/work colleagues recently results in him being upset and almost huffing with me. I’ve told him our priority should be working on our relationship first. I feel that he’s actually become resentful about the fact I have kids and have been married before (even though it was awful) and he has brought this up many times.

I don’t know really what I’m asking for on here really, thoughts or opinions on my relationship maybe? Sometimes it’s hard to see the woods for the trees and I’m constantly questioning whether I’m being unreasonable or not.

I think if it wasn’t for my kids I would have left by now but I’m so upset that I will cause them so much hurt, they adore him and would be devastated, as they’ve already went through their parents divorcing.

Thanks

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 31/01/2024 19:39

I think he wants a baby so he can lock you into a relationship which is clearly working for him (he does nothing, and I can't see that changing if you have a baby). Then he can sit back, watch you work yourself to a frazzle, and probably tell you that 'this is what you wanted' when you try to get him to pull his finger out.

The sitting around gaming and telling you you should get involved with what he does would be the end for me, even without the moaning.

Olika · 31/01/2024 19:39

You two won't last through having a child so you can forget that. I would just get rid of him as he doesn't bring anything good to your life. Your kids will be upset for a while but you cannot stay with him because of that.

Jellybean23 · 31/01/2024 19:40

Be honest, you've gone off him and don't want a baby with him. If you keep stalling, it looks like you are leading him on and giving him false hope. Tell him how you feel.

AutumnFroglets · 31/01/2024 19:43

I also started sertraline a few months ago.

Based on the rest of your post i'm wondering if you are medicating yourself so you can stay with him. I highly doubt you would remain on antidepressants if he left. Think about that honestly. Then ask yourself if the children would prefer a drugged mummy and him, or an undrugged and happy mummy?

cristokitty · 31/01/2024 19:43

Given what you've said about his attitude, how do you think he's cope with the bills during maternity leave? I'd guess there's a good chance he'd expect you to pay 50:50 and wouldn't support you financially while you lose your earnings.

Trulyme · 31/01/2024 19:47

I don’t understand why you’re still with him, let alone contemplating having a baby with him.

You know that babies are difficult and the relationship (which is almost at breaking point) will end, leaving you as a single parent.

Your poor kids.

Forget about having another child and put the kids you actually do have first and stop choosing this man and his needs over theirs.

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 19:50

@AutumnFroglets You’re right, we were going through a particularly difficult time and I started having panic attacks. I felt I had to do something to help myself so I spoke to my doctor. I’ve also started counselling for myself

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C00k · 31/01/2024 19:52

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 19:39

I think this fixation and urgency has come from his own perceived ‘failings’, so he sees other people getting married or having babies and the fact that I’ve also done it all before and he hasn’t and let’s that affect his self-esteem and his own ego.

It really doesn’t matter. Get him dumped.

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 19:57

@Trulyme I don’t feel that’s very fair, im not putting his needs over my children’s, it’s because of them I wrote this post, how my leaving will affect them. I’m not perfect but they always come first.

I’m not asking here whether I should have a baby or not with him, I’ve already told him that is not the priority right now and I know from experience that having a baby is a test to any relationship, but he can’t seem to realise that. I just wanted some opinions or thoughts on my relationship because I’m made to feel that i have unrealistic expectations and standards

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C00k · 31/01/2024 20:00

Dumping him will improve their lives, improve you as a parent, demonstrate what having standards looks like, will show them that having some shitty pointless bloke around for no reason is unacceptable. Zero downsides. Multiple people are saying the same thing about putting your kids first.

Sprinklerainbows · 31/01/2024 20:01

def no to babies with this man atm!

But i understand the hesitation to end the relationship for your children’s sake. I’m sure it would be extremely upsetting to go through that again. Would you consider couples therapy? If you think there’s a chance the relationship is salvageable? You could tell him that you need to solve your relationship issues and that couples therapy is something you’d like to explore (if you would) before ever talking about kids again…

whatisheupto · 31/01/2024 20:01

He wants to get you pregnant so that you will be tied to him. Then you'll be trapped with him, and he knows it.

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 20:03

@cristokitty in one conversation I tried to discuss finances and childcare. I explained the cost of childcare and he suggested my parents and his family would do it. I’ve told him you can’t just expect people to provide this and also his family are a 1 hour round trip away from where we live and work, his mum still works and his gran is In her 80’s (he thinks his gran will be able to babysit because she looks after his niece who is 2 a few hours every day) he just can’t seem to grasp the realities of situations like this and just thinks it’ll all work out

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GreyBlackLove · 31/01/2024 20:03

It's not that having baby shouldn't be a priority right now, it's that it should be a no way.

He does pretty much no housework unless asked, games in the evening and is self involved enough to think you should be interested in that (!), is negative and full of complaints, can't handle criticism or take constructive feedback and is ignoring your feelings on something as important as having baby together.

Kindly, what the fuck are you still doing with this man?

Your kids deserve a better role model, and you deserve better too.

TwylaSands · 31/01/2024 20:07

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 19:35

@Hatty65 i really like my life, this relationship is really the only thing I’m not happy with at the minute. I have 2 amazing kids, a great job, a little business, a nice home, great family support. I don’t have many friends but im quite introverted so I don’t mind. I’m content and settled in every other area of my life.

Then end it.

he immediately goes on the defensive and says ‘im always to blame’ and ‘im not good enough’. If he had an issue we generally work it out so he feels better.
youre being manipulated. And wasting energy.

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 20:09

@Sprinklerainbows thank you for understanding. It’s really upsetting that others are saying I’m not putting my kids first. They have massive hearts and would be utterly heartbroken if we split up and I just don’t know how they would ever get over it

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C00k · 31/01/2024 20:14

This is like talking to a brick wall, but trust me, as a kid whose mother brought blokes in to my home as a kid, your kids will 100% not be devastated by you dumping him. I can guarantee it. Inflicting a shit man on them is not in their best interests.
Anyway, I’m out. So depressing.

GreyBlackLove · 31/01/2024 20:18

Yonkers456 it might help to know that when my mother left my father my younger sibling was devastated. Utterly heartbroken about leaving the man who physically and emotionally abused them.

Over the years they've grown and now recognise it as the best thing our mum did for us.

Upsetting them short term so that long term they are protected from negative influences is not a bad thing.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/01/2024 20:19

Better to be on your own than to be this badly accompanied.

what do you want to teach your kids about relationships and what are they learning here?. Between you and this bloke, you’re both teaching them a shedload of damaging lessons. You have a choice re this man, they do not. Make better choices now for you as well as them. Your relationship bar is sub level now and your children will likely grow up accepting sub standard relationships also because you do.

Dery · 31/01/2024 20:20

@Yonkers456 - you can’t stay in a poor relationship because your children like your partner. It’s wrong on so many levels. It’s tough and they may not understand it now but long-term they will suffer if you stay with this guy, particularly if you have a child with him. You’ve drugged yourself in order to stay in this relationship and it seems to have skewed your thinking. Please move on.

JanefromLondon1 · 31/01/2024 20:20

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/01/2024 20:23

Your children probably like him, or at least tolerate him, only because they want to see you happy. That is no reason or basis to remain with such a man. Children can be quite indiscriminate in who they love so need you as their resident parent to guide them properly. If your own boundaries when it comes to relationships are poorly defined , theirs will come to be similar.

Sprinklerainbows · 31/01/2024 20:24

@Yonkers456 I think it’s clear you are definitely putting your children first. You’re trying to keep their lives as uninterrupted as possible by working through a difficult time as best you can ❤️ I really hope you manage to find a resolution that works for you all x

AutumnFroglets · 31/01/2024 20:25

Yonkers456 · 31/01/2024 20:09

@Sprinklerainbows thank you for understanding. It’s really upsetting that others are saying I’m not putting my kids first. They have massive hearts and would be utterly heartbroken if we split up and I just don’t know how they would ever get over it

If children can get over their real daddy moving out, and grow up into well adjusted adults, then they can certainly get over a manipulative, selfish, lazy, cocklodger moving out.

Don't put that kind if emotional crap on their shoulders. What you do is sit them down, explain that sometimes adults cannot be together for various reasons, it doesn't mean it was their fault blah blah. If they become traumatised then you get them professional therapy. What you don't do is say you stayed in an abusive and unequal relationship "because".

You have started having panic attacks, you are depressed, you are seeking counselling. The one thing that will help you the most is showing him the door.He is the problem, not you. Stop tying yourself into knots, it's never worth it Flowers

velvetstars · 31/01/2024 20:41

I rarely say ltb but from what you've written it's hard to see any other outcome. He is dragging you down and blaming you for it.

How will your kids get over it if you have a baby with this man and suddenly he no longer cares about them because the new baby is his legacy.

Entirely plausible from what you've written. There is not ideal outcome here for your kids but the sooner the bandaid comes off the better for all of you.