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Constant cheating accusations - why is he so paranoid?

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whendidisaythat · 30/01/2024 22:45

My partner is driving me crazy. We've been together not much over a year and he seems to have major trust issues. Early on in our relationship I noticed he had a tendency to over-analyse things I said to question if I believe in monogamy (which I do) or if I had feelings for other people.

These accusations started to build over the last few months and they've got quite intense. He flat out accused me of cheating about six months ago because (after I got a coil fitted) I had discharge and had worn a thong to work that day. Since then, there have been lots of random accusations. He gets very anxious when I go out for drinks with male colleagues and there is one particular male colleague (who years back I had a crush on) that he is especially suspicious over (who I wouldn't go for a drink with one on one, because it would be disrespectful to my partner). He has demanded before that I stop going for drinks with male colleagues, that I stop speaking to this other male colleague at all, accused me of cheating because the same man appeared twice in pictures from a day out with my family (coincidental), accused me of secretly being in contact with my ex because he saw their first name on my phone (it was a song by a singer with the same, very common, first name!), accused me of hiding something because someone whose number I don't have saved messaged me, accused me of cheating because the passenger seat had been moved in my car and I forgot my uncle had been in the car...

Some of it has improved (he's stepped back from the ultimatums over me drinking with male colleagues, for example, which is part of my job) but I feel like he has absolutely zero trust in me, even though I haven't so much as glanced at someone else.

He's broken up with me a few times and we've quickly got back together, but in that time he was asking a lot about whether I had slept with someone else (when it had been just a few days!!) and whether I saw us as exclusive while we talked through our issues (which I said I did).

All of a sudden last month he mentioned we should get STD checks because he still is suspicious of his ex gf. We've been together for nearly 1.5 years and we both did an STD check before we first slept together. I would usually see this as cast iron evidence of him cheating, but logistically it's not really possible he has been sleeping with someone else. I think he must have suggested this because he was suspicious that I had slept with someone else while we were very very briefly broken up? Even though he asked me and I said no. It had only been a few days so it didn't even occur to me to ask him.

He hasn't really been in relationships before and so he hasn't ever been cheated on. There wasn't infidelity in his parent's marriage. I did cheat on an ex but that was over a decade ago and I've learned a lot from it in the time that has passed.

This is never going to change is it?

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Thatsthebottomline · 31/01/2024 14:16

Just over a year ? Seems a lot of trouble this relationship. Kudos to you, I wouldn't have put up with it this long.

Ask yourself, do you really need this in your life ?

PaintedEgg · 31/01/2024 14:22

@whendidisaythat some people are just assholes and not everything is a lesson

he does not need to have a mental health disorder to be a controlling person, this can be a personality trait and his gaslighting and projecting (saying you invalidate him and are defensive while this is what he is doing) is a calculated behaviour. People don't do it by accident, they do it to get others to do as they say

you are not being selfish by not agreeing to stupid demands

TheSandHurtsMyFeelings · 31/01/2024 14:22

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 12:16

Yeah, we're currently on (yet another) break instigated by him and he has said he would like to discuss how we get back together. I don't think I want to even discuss it. I'm still concerned I might be selfish and uncompromising like he says though. How would I know??

OP, please don't second-guess yourself. Stay broken up with him. He is never ever going to be the person you're hoping he will be.

Your OP made me feel suffocated just reading it. He's not going to change. If anything he will escalate.

It doesn't matter why he is the way he is; all that matters is that you've cottoned on early enough to escape. Please take your chance to get gone and stay gone from this controlling, manipulative man.

GingerIsBest · 31/01/2024 14:34

He sounds like a covert narcissist to me. But that' sonly relevant in that narcissists cannot take responsibility or accountability for their actions and as a result have massively disordered thinking. They cannot ever recognise the problem so it's one of the hardest personality disorders to diagnose and almost impossible to treat.

Either way, his behaviour is the problem.

I have been married to DH for 15 years. I love him very much. But if "showing him love" meant I had to hug him properly every time I came in and out of the house our relationship would have ended a long time ago. It's just not practical and is basically an impossible and ridiculous standard to meet.

yellowsmileyface · 31/01/2024 14:37

If you take away any lessons from this for the future, it should be how to recognise red flags sooner and how to walk away at the first sign of red flag behaviour.

If you've made any mistakes in this relationships, I can assure you it hasn't been being too selfish or uncompromising. Conversely, people who end up in abusive relationships are usually too accommodating. They're usually people pleasers who give in to controlling behaviour in order to keep the peace.

So if anything, you probably need to be more selfish and uncompromising in the future.

He's twisted the narrative of the relationship so that you're the bad guy and he's the victim. There's no merit to anything he's said because it all stems from the overall desire to have control over you. It is rooted in the contempt he has for you. He is not a man whose opinion you should place any value on.

SpacePotato · 31/01/2024 14:51

I'm just trying to figure out if there's merit to what he says that I should be taking on board as feedback for the future, or whether it's not worth even considering

Trust that it's not you and your newly discovered personal boundaries.

He's a gaslighting fuckwit.
The breaking up constantly bullshit is to get you to amend your behaviour to appease him as a previous poster pointed out.

It's not a healthly relationship.
You don't need his shit.

Nanny0gg · 31/01/2024 15:00

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 13:54

Does borderline personality disorder seem a possibility to anyone else? The paranoia, frequent break ups, seeing me as someone he just can't be with when I do anything that upsets him, big childhood trauma, difficulty making friends, assuming everyone is out to get him, really poor self image / mental health...

What does it matter?

He doesn't belong in your life.

Stop looking for something to 'fix'

Easipeelerie · 31/01/2024 15:04

Don’t stay with him. Even if he has some form of disorder, you don’t have a hope in hell of fixing it. He will make your life a living nightmare long term.

SavetheNHS · 31/01/2024 15:39

I wanted to fix my abusive ex. He was insecure, had an unstable childhood and was very jealous and worried I'd cheat. I thought if I loved him enough and proved my faithfulness he would eventually gain confidence and self esteem.

He felt so wretched when I spoke to my male friends that I stopped calling them. He was so lonely and felt so unloved when I saw my female friends that I stopped seeing them too. It took me a year to understand he was abusive.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to fix men like this. It doesn't matter WHY they behave this way, only that they DO.
They DO NOT change no matter what you do to please them.

Please do not get back together with him. You sound like a lovely caring person and therefore he probably feels you are easy to manipulate especially with emotional blackmail.

Like others have said, walk away and block him.

My DH now is the opposite, he is laid back and cool about whatever I want to do and whoever I want to be friends with. I feel free, and respected and like the real me.

Good luck OP 🤞

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 16:31

SavetheNHS · 31/01/2024 15:39

I wanted to fix my abusive ex. He was insecure, had an unstable childhood and was very jealous and worried I'd cheat. I thought if I loved him enough and proved my faithfulness he would eventually gain confidence and self esteem.

He felt so wretched when I spoke to my male friends that I stopped calling them. He was so lonely and felt so unloved when I saw my female friends that I stopped seeing them too. It took me a year to understand he was abusive.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to fix men like this. It doesn't matter WHY they behave this way, only that they DO.
They DO NOT change no matter what you do to please them.

Please do not get back together with him. You sound like a lovely caring person and therefore he probably feels you are easy to manipulate especially with emotional blackmail.

Like others have said, walk away and block him.

My DH now is the opposite, he is laid back and cool about whatever I want to do and whoever I want to be friends with. I feel free, and respected and like the real me.

Good luck OP 🤞

This is really helpful. I think I have a hard time thinking of him as abusive because he hasn't successfully managed to claim power in the relationship - but that's only because I have had to be really firm. He's certainly tried. I think it's easier to empathise with him because he's been more vulnerable with me than my ExH ever was. There's also a bit of sunk costs thing in this - I feel like I've put so much into building him up and he will just go off and have a healthy relationship with someone else. But the chances of that are obviously not high...

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Escapingafter50years · 31/01/2024 16:33

@whendidisaythat I’ve read all your posts and honestly think you should read back what you wrote! Imagine it was a close friend who wrote that. What would you say to them?

It seems to me that there are 2 things going on, firstly that you have been accepting this behaviour which means for some probably deep-rooted reason you don’t think you deserve better, and secondly that you’re trying to find reasons why he does what he does or a way to excuse his behaviour. It doesn’t matter why, he is an abuser and it’s his responsibility as an adult to look into his own behaviour, but of course, like all abusers, it’s everyone else’s fault!

So I’ve gone through your posts and picked out some of the things you’ve said and added some comments (hence the very long post!). Where I’m coming from is that I’ve recently realised I’ve been emotionally abused by an extremely narcissistic “mother” all my life. I’ve done therapy, I’ve read books, listened to podcasts and studied narcissism, including a diploma. One thing I’ve learned is that growing up in a dysfunctional household primes a person for abusive relationships because they have never been allowed to put their own needs first. So if their bar is set very low, they are a prime target for an abusive person as they don’t see the red flags – someone who has grown up in a “normal” respectful family will walk away.

My partner is driving me crazy. We've been together not much over a year and he seems to have major trust issues. …
These accusations started to build over the last few months and they've got quite intense.
Your partner should never drive you crazy; disagreements are normal but not being driven crazy.
It is common in dysfunctional relationships for things to start off ok (I wonder if he love-bombed you?) then deteriorate in the following months.

He has demanded before that I stop going for drinks with male colleagues
Absolutely controlling behaviour.

I’ve had a few abusive relationships before. I thought I’d broken the cycle and he seems so lovely, just insecure, but maybe I’m being naïve.
As I wrote above, you probably have been brought up to set your bar low.

He had a rough childhood
Maybe. So did many other people. We didn’t all end up being abusers.

I’m not sure I’d describe him as controlling necessarily. Interestingly, he accused ME of having too much control in one of our break ups.
After a huge number of posts in your thread, do you see the controlling behaviour now? The fact that he isn’t as controlling as your exH doesn’t mean he’s not controlling.
If you want to read a bit more about the accusations he has made to you, read up on projection.

He's very warm and affectionate. Just got a lot of issues.
Warm and affectionate when it suits him. Happy to put his issues on to you rather than dealing with them.

Every time he’s set a controlling ultimatum he’s eventually backed off when I say no.
I commented on this earlier in the thread; a good guy wouldn’t try to control you in the first place. A good relationship is you working together, not one trying to control the other while the other person tries not to be controlled. No wonder he’s making you crazy.

I think I’m in love with the person who he can be when he is trying to impress me (like in the early days).
Sorry to say the person in the early days was a mirage, he doesn’t exist. He is now showing you the real him. Your comment about the early days again makes me wonder did he love-bomb you – which is a classic red flag.

He is saying that I don't make him feel loved enough and we're stuck in a parent child dynamic which is why he keeps ending things.
In a way he’s not wrong, he’s acting like a child. But you’re not his parent. It’s not for you to make him feel loved enough. If someone is adult enough to be in a relationship they do not need the other person to make them feel loved enough; if they’re unhappy then they should leave. The solution is not to make the other person change. This doesn’t mean a couple shouldn’t show each other mutual love and respect, they absolutely should; in a fulfilling relationship both sides should feel loved and respected.

Do abusive men generally tell you that you're selfish and not focused enough on their needs?
Not just abusive men! Abusive mothers too ;) Read up on blame shifting to understand this better.

I'm still concerned I might be selfish and uncompromising like he says though. How would I know??
This guy has you so gaslit that you are trying to overlook his appalling behaviour to try and blame yourself. It is not you! Where has he taken responsibility himself? You know, deep down, it isn’t you. He is not trying to build you up, he just wants to tear you down. This is not the behaviour of someone who cares about you.

If I present him with examples of why I feel like we do things that are for his benefit / at his preference then he says I'm invalidating him or being too defensive.
Classic abuser stuff. He’s had a bit of therapy himself and he’s using the words he’s learned against you. He’s actually invalidating you while saying you’re invalidating him. Projection again. Also read up on DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender).

But then he is still saying now I don't do enough.
And it will never be enough, because he will always shift the goal posts. You can see that, you tried but he will never be satisfied.

I am intending to tell him I don't want to get back together - I'm just trying to figure out if there's merit to what he says that I should be taking on board as feedback for the future, or whether it's not worth even considering.
No there isn’t! He has not tried to be a good partner, he has only thought of himself. You need to get EVERYTHING he said to you out of your head, it has not come from a good place, he only cares about his own needs and to do that he is trying to ruin your mental health. Why would you take on board anything said by someone like that? I know it’s hard, but really, he needs to be out of your life and I'm so glad you're "intending" to tell him you don't want to get back together. I'd like to see more certainty in what you're saying though, "intending to tell him I don't want" sounds like you may not carry through, and if you do the fact that you "don't want" suggests there's a possibility you may allow him to persuade you to get back together.

Does borderline personality disorder seem a possibility to anyone else? The paranoia, frequent break ups, seeing me as someone he just can't be with when I do anything that upsets him, big childhood trauma, difficulty making friends, assuming everyone is out to get him, really poor self image / mental health...
It doesn’t matter. His behaviour is abusive. That’s all you need to know. Walk away. He’s an adult. It’s up to him to fix himself. Don’t allow yourself to undertake that job (it’s quite common in those of us who were brought up in abusive situations that we think need to fix others). Live your life. Find out why you aren’t insisting on being treated with the respect you deserve. But get rid of this guy.

I have loads of resources for people who have been in dysfunctional relationships, this Instagram page is pretty useful as it’s got lots of short phrases that it can be easy to identify with -
https://www.instagram.com/understandingthenarc

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https://www.instagram.com/understandingthenarc

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 16:55

Appreciate the responses. Just to clear something up, I really don't think he's a narcissist. He is mostly an empathetic person and is able to apologise and take responsibility for things. He's pretty humble and usually a kind person. ExH was narcissistic, this guy has not got the same underlying thinking patterns, it's something else.

I'm interested to understand his behaviour but I am not going to try to tell him what I think or fix it; he would have to go to therapy of his own accord. I would be interested to know if anyone has experience of a man with BPD and can offer some insight into that. I'm not going to get back together with him but I like to process things.

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MissHarrietBede · 31/01/2024 17:17

You need to focus on YOU, not him. Your life should not be devoted to trying to fix controlling headfucks of men.

Ladolcevita233 · 31/01/2024 17:22

He is mostly an empathetic person

You think he's an empathetic person but he's been continuously accusing you or suspecting you of cheating - wrongly and unfairly.

Causing you distress and frustration etc.

How would he like to be in that position... Being unfairly accused of cheating repeatedly and questioned about every little thing, down to a bit of discharge on his underwear.

If he's empathetic, how come he's been doing that to you, repeatedly for months?

He's also dumped you repeatedly - unfairly (you absolutely have done nothing wrong to justify being dumped), again distressing you and treating you poorly and unfairly ... Would he like it if you did that to him?

The second you dumped him, he'd be saying "I knew you were cheating, this is for another man!" Etc. Even if he didn't, would he like being dumped and not knowing if it's for real and then questioned repeatedly about what he did while he was dumped?

If he had empathy how come he's kept doing that too??

blackpanth · 31/01/2024 17:24

LTB

Ladolcevita233 · 31/01/2024 17:27

Does borderline personality disorder seem a possibility to anyone else? The paranoia, frequent break ups, seeing me as someone he just can't be with when I do anything that upsets him, big childhood trauma, difficulty making friends, assuming everyone is out to get him, really poor self image / mental health...

Who knows?

What does it matter.

If there was a bet on him taking responsibility for his own behaviour and making permanent changes or vice versa ..... I know where I'd be putting my money.

Ive encountered a few people like this and they don't change, their relationships last only as long as someone is dysfunctional.enough to put up with it, you can see how that's gone for him .... No lasting, real, sustained relationship.

It's only lasted with you because you've put up with text book crazy, psycho, controlling, jealous, Othello complex madman behaviour to date.

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 17:28

I'm not saying he's incapable of being selfish and not caring about my feelings, I'm just saying I really don't think he's a narcissist based on his thought patterns and behaviour, including his ability to be empathetic. He's nothing like the narcissistic people I've known. Doesn't mean he's a good partner!

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mathanxiety · 31/01/2024 17:32

End this relationship.

End it today.

The accusation of cheating is one of the biggest red flags that exists.

Your boyfriend has something massively wrong with him that nothing can cure.

Be thankful that he started this so early in the relationship, and didn't wait until you were seriously invested, maybe with a baby, maybe a joint mortgage.

SamW98 · 31/01/2024 17:33

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 17:28

I'm not saying he's incapable of being selfish and not caring about my feelings, I'm just saying I really don't think he's a narcissist based on his thought patterns and behaviour, including his ability to be empathetic. He's nothing like the narcissistic people I've known. Doesn't mean he's a good partner!

There’s not a one size fits all narcissist. From what you’ve said he’s 💯 gaslighting you which is a narcissistic tactic.

Not all narcs are 24/7 manipulators. There are many that are quite capable of acting like kind caring considerate people - usually when you’re dancing to their tune.

Ladolcevita233 · 31/01/2024 17:36

Whatever he is or isn't, he's abusive.

Presuming you'd like to have a relationship and life without abuse - you've given him more than enough of your time, months more than you should have given him.

If you'd like to have a good ltr, marry, have a family etc. time is unkinder to women than men. There is often no time to waste. He has proven himself to be a very poor partner (understatement) in what should be the honeymoon period ...... Time to gtfo and try to meet a decent partner (presuming you'd like to). The sooner you start the recovery and detachment process, the better.

Quite honestly, I've had a relationship with a jealous, controlling guy (with the usual string of failed relationships) ..... And this guy is in a different league of crazy to even him.

GingerIsBest · 31/01/2024 17:39

I think it's easier to empathise with him because he's been more vulnerable with me than my ExH ever was.

This is just the victim mentality that allows him to use his trauma as a control and abuse tactic. It's not real. And you saying he is empathetic is, I suspect, totally just your perception. It's him saying the right thing in the love bombing phase, before he heads into the devalue and discard phase. When you say he takes responsibility for things, does he really? or does he say things with a hangdog expression along the lines of, "I'm sorry I did that. I know that it was wrong. I'm a terrible person and I don't deserve you. You're so supportive and understanding." Because that's not actually taking responsibility.

You should look up covert narcissists, they're completely different to regular narcissists. But it doesn't really matter.

The problem you have is twofold: 1. you want closure and understanding but you won't get it from an abusive man. 2. You want to believe he has plenty of good in him and that he did genuinely care about you so you'll twist yourself up in knots to try and find ways to prove this. Unfortunately, men like this are shallow and fake. He might even THINK he loves/loved you. But in reality, it was always about him.

whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 17:39

SamW98 · 31/01/2024 17:33

There’s not a one size fits all narcissist. From what you’ve said he’s 💯 gaslighting you which is a narcissistic tactic.

Not all narcs are 24/7 manipulators. There are many that are quite capable of acting like kind caring considerate people - usually when you’re dancing to their tune.

It may be a narcissistic tactic but it's not unique to narcissists (from what I've read, BPD people sometimes do this and manipulate too) - I definitely don't think that's what's going on with him. We did see a relationship counsellor and I'm seeing her for a final, solo session at the end of the week so I will ask her to help me process and maybe that will help.

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whendidisaythat · 31/01/2024 17:41

GingerIsBest · 31/01/2024 17:39

I think it's easier to empathise with him because he's been more vulnerable with me than my ExH ever was.

This is just the victim mentality that allows him to use his trauma as a control and abuse tactic. It's not real. And you saying he is empathetic is, I suspect, totally just your perception. It's him saying the right thing in the love bombing phase, before he heads into the devalue and discard phase. When you say he takes responsibility for things, does he really? or does he say things with a hangdog expression along the lines of, "I'm sorry I did that. I know that it was wrong. I'm a terrible person and I don't deserve you. You're so supportive and understanding." Because that's not actually taking responsibility.

You should look up covert narcissists, they're completely different to regular narcissists. But it doesn't really matter.

The problem you have is twofold: 1. you want closure and understanding but you won't get it from an abusive man. 2. You want to believe he has plenty of good in him and that he did genuinely care about you so you'll twist yourself up in knots to try and find ways to prove this. Unfortunately, men like this are shallow and fake. He might even THINK he loves/loved you. But in reality, it was always about him.

Ha, that sounds like my exH or my mother apologising! No, it's far more genuine and there's far more effort to change involved on his part - but none of it is enough and I think he doesn't realise how much of the issues come from his own mental beliefs.

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MissHarrietBede · 31/01/2024 17:53

I really doubt you will end this dysfunctional relationship, you seem so fixated on analysing this abusive man.

SavetheNHS · 31/01/2024 17:55

I know it's hard when they seem like the gentle, sensitive type. Remember that someone who is controlling and abusive is only like that SOME of the time. They gradually ramp it up to see how much you will take. Every time you take him back or agree to something unreasonable he is eroding your boundaries and taking more control of you, very slowly, little by little.

Don't worry, he won't be in a healthy relationship with someone else. In fact he might be worse as the tactics he used on you ultimately didn't work.

Also, you don't need a diagnosis of anything to be abusive/controlling/jealous. Some people are just like that.