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Pregnant and DH doesn’t want to make any plans for when the baby is here

116 replies

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 22:47

I know, I probably should have known better but here’s my dilemma….

Whenever I tried to discuss arrangements for a baby prior to TTC, my DH got mildly upset/irritated and said that I’m not even pregnant yet, so why should we have to discuss childcare / mat leave / finances etc, and - in his words - worry about something that might never be relevant (I wouldn’t call it ‘worrying’, I call it planning). I obviously told him that I would like to have some security and know that I will be able to continue working at some point, and have money available while on mat leave. He then said that I know what kind of man he is and that he’d always support me in everything I want to do, so why should this change when we have the baby. He’s right about this, he’s doing more than his fair share at home and would go out of his way to make sure I have everything I want.

So I reluctantly agreed and put the topic to bed. We’re in our 40s so he’s right that a baby was only a vague possibility.

Well, now I am 6 weeks pregnant and I have approached the topic of sharing our thoughts about childcare again. He got irritated again and said that the baby isn’t here yet, so why do we need to worry about childcare. He wants to wait until baby is born and then work it out. Obviously I pointed out to him that this is not an option, that I’d have to let my work know when I’m 25 weeks for how long I want to be on maternity leave, and in case he doesn’t want to take time off, we’d need to book a nursery or childcare before baby is born (London - long waiting lists) for when I want to go back to work. It ended in a fight, he’s upset and blames me for opening up problems when we should enjoy the pregnancy. He also said - hopefully in anger - that because I work from home, we won’t need childcare anyway and I don’t need to worry about my maternity leave pay (I have none, different story), I can take two weeks holiday after the birth and then continue working while looking after the baby.

I see that this is bad. I’ve learned my lesson. I’m sure that most posts will be LTB, but I’m rather newly married and pregnant. If, God forbid, I lose this pregnancy, I would not try to have a child with him again, and after tonight’s conversation and his unwillingness to hear me out, and being absolutely unreasonable and immature in his views on what it means to look after a baby I’m seriously reconsidering the relationship. But because things are as they are, is there any way to salvage this? Was anyone in a similar situation and it did work out in the end? Although far from ideal, should I just make plans for whatever childcare arrangement suits me and leave him out of it, since he absolutely refuses to plan ahead?
Just to add, he wanted this child more than I did, and he generally doesn’t make plans for the future. He lives from one day to the next, I’m the one in our relationship who makes the plans, but he usually goes along with whatever I decide. I have my own savings and a well enough paid job, I could just about manage without his financial contribution.

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holycrabsticks · 25/01/2024 22:51

Oh god, he's going to get a terrible shock.

Therapy? I don't know what to suggest.

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 22:54

Will it be a helpful shock maybe? Will he see when baby is born that I can’t work from home while looking after the baby, so he’ll move heaven and earth to find childcare? Clinging onto straws and so…

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crumblingschools · 25/01/2024 22:57

Do you have joint finances?

GreatGateauxsby · 25/01/2024 22:59

holycrabsticks · 25/01/2024 22:51

Oh god, he's going to get a terrible shock.

Therapy? I don't know what to suggest.

Eeeep - I had the same thought

Do NOT wait until the baby is here.
that would be a huge mistake, you have been too passive to date. This needs to be a hill you’ll die on or you will have a miserable time.

you really need some sort of intervention or short sharp shock / giant glass of water thrown in his face.

you have to plan and discuss it now now.

Are there any family members who can tell him how crazy he is being???
brother/sister with kids? his mum? Anyone????

timesogin · 25/01/2024 23:00

It sounds really stressful. AND you do have time so don't panic. It's really early in your pregnancy and it's really common for mothers heads to rush ahead faster than fathers... you are the one already pregnant so it's more real to you.
I'm in London too. And didn't put babies on any lists before they were born. Yea some nurseries are crazy and have waiting lists longer than anyone could imagine. But there are a lot of nurseries. They aren't all crazy. And we've been really happy with the ones we have used - which haven't needed you to sign up 3 years before even trying to conceive.
Congratulations!!!

Quitelikeit · 25/01/2024 23:00

Tell me what type of man assumes that you can look after a baby and wfh full time ?

A selfish, stupid fool of a man

I can only assume he is worried about money. Is he tight? Does he pay a fair share of the bills?

Are your finances pooled?

red flags all over!

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:01

crumblingschools · 25/01/2024 22:57

Do you have joint finances?

No, we both pay equally into a shared account for bills etc and we have some savings together, but we have individual accounts and also some individual savings.

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Needsomepeaceandquiet · 25/01/2024 23:01

“Just to add, he wanted this child more than I did, and he generally doesn’t make plans for the future. “

He might not be great at making plans for the future but given that he wants this child maybe he also thinks it’s a bit early to be making plans when you are in your 40s and only 6 weeks pregnant.

timesogin · 25/01/2024 23:01

The two weeks off for a holiday and then work from home while looking after a baby is clearly crazy though!!!! Does he know any families with children?!!!

GreatGateauxsby · 25/01/2024 23:03

timesogin · 25/01/2024 23:00

It sounds really stressful. AND you do have time so don't panic. It's really early in your pregnancy and it's really common for mothers heads to rush ahead faster than fathers... you are the one already pregnant so it's more real to you.
I'm in London too. And didn't put babies on any lists before they were born. Yea some nurseries are crazy and have waiting lists longer than anyone could imagine. But there are a lot of nurseries. They aren't all crazy. And we've been really happy with the ones we have used - which haven't needed you to sign up 3 years before even trying to conceive.
Congratulations!!!

I may have misread but I think her problem is more he thinks she can take two weeks mat leave, 2 weeks annual leave and then resume wfh while looking after a newborn.

But also agreed you don’t need to register pre birth for a lot of places in London don’t worry about it yet…

GreatGateauxsby · 25/01/2024 23:04

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:01

No, we both pay equally into a shared account for bills etc and we have some savings together, but we have individual accounts and also some individual savings.

And you have shit mat package???

you really have to bottom this out sooner rather than later…

sorry he is doing this. It’s so shit of him…

timesogin · 25/01/2024 23:04

You also do have to give an idea of what maternity leave you think you want. But you are entitled to change your mind with enough notice. Loads of people think they know how much time they will take off and then change their minds in both longer and shorter directions. It's all probably a bit more flexible than you fear right now.

DowntonCrabby · 25/01/2024 23:04

Oh god OP, yes, this was a huge screaming red flag before you were even pregnant.

He sounds like an absolute man child. I’d be keeping things very calm and unemotional, issuing an ultimatum that he grows up and steps the fuck up or you are walking away. Then be prepared to do it alone if that’s what it takes. You deserve much better Flowers

Honestly even if he sorts himself out now the underlying selfish immaturity is unlikely to change.

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:05

His siblings have kids…it’s just that he’s incredibly stubborn (even admits to this himself) and always thinks he knows better, or he’ll find a better way of doing it. So if he sees that they can’t work and do childcare, he thinks that they’re just disorganised and we could manage. However, I still hope that this was said more in anger about the discussion than in believe…he knows that my job involves a lot of Zoom meetings with high stake clients.

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NuffSaidSam · 25/01/2024 23:06

I'd give him until the first scan. Once you've had that and everything is looking good, he's seen his baby, heard it's heartbeat etc. I'd try again, force the issue if necessary and if no luck start thinking about life as a single parent.

I'd also sign up for NCT classes or parenting classes/what to expect classes so he can hear the reality of the situation from someone else.

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:08

Also thanks to those who put things in perspective for me…maybe I’m over-organising things and let pregnancy nerves get the better of me

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timesogin · 25/01/2024 23:10

I suspect your employer might have views about you wfh with a baby as well!!!

You sound like you are going to be able to make it clear that that is a non-starter!!

You've got a while to let his head catch up and for you to broken record the 'I can't work at home and care for a baby - we will need to pay for childcare'

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:13

Quitelikeit · 25/01/2024 23:00

Tell me what type of man assumes that you can look after a baby and wfh full time ?

A selfish, stupid fool of a man

I can only assume he is worried about money. Is he tight? Does he pay a fair share of the bills?

Are your finances pooled?

red flags all over!

He’s not usually tight with money…he did offer to pay 50% for me giving birth in a private hospital if I wish to, after a very bad experience I recently had with NHS care. The private hospital even is his preference because he wants me to be calm and looked after

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Mboscodictiasaur · 25/01/2024 23:14

Wow OP. He sounds incredibly naive or just completely stupid.

You'll have to just force the matter and hope that when the baby comes it will be a shock in a good way. Perhaps it will be the making of him.

I think in reality it will hit him like a brick in the face and he'll be utterly useless. Not only is there the difficulty of the baby to look after which itself can bring even the strongest of couples to the brink of divorce, what if you have post natal depression or anxiety? I don't regret my son for a moment and we plan to have another, going in with eyes wide open, but my god it's been hard at times. The hardest thing I've ever done. Sometimes we've really struggled.

Your husband is an idiot. Doesn't he have any appreciation of how just the lack of sleep alone can have you losing your mind?

See how things go but I'd be planning quietly to myself how I'm going to manage on my own when I divorce him.

Thisisnottheend · 25/01/2024 23:15

I’d also just leave it for now and focus on your health and keeping relaxed! The first scan where he gets to see some evidence of the baby may start to make it more real for him. Women forget that for men it’s really theoretical at this point ,as the woman is the one having all the pregnancy symptoms. I presume you may have married someone who is opposite personality to you? You are both late in life to be newly married and having a first child so you are probably in a better financial situation than many people, you do both have time to get adjusted to this new reality.

KitchenDancefloor · 25/01/2024 23:19

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:05

His siblings have kids…it’s just that he’s incredibly stubborn (even admits to this himself) and always thinks he knows better, or he’ll find a better way of doing it. So if he sees that they can’t work and do childcare, he thinks that they’re just disorganised and we could manage. However, I still hope that this was said more in anger about the discussion than in believe…he knows that my job involves a lot of Zoom meetings with high stake clients.

Ah well, if childcare is so easy, he can do it all then.

Because clearly he knows everything that every other parent hasn't figured out yet.

I'm so sorry that you're coming up against this when you should be celebrating and planning together.

Hopefully something will knock sense into him soon.

NeedAdvice8 · 25/01/2024 23:20

I just don’t know what’s going on in his head sometimes…he can be the sweetest, most caring husband but he seems to be unable to have a simple conversation. Actually the whole childcare topic started with me asking his opinion on whether I should accept a new job offer with better money but less flexibility, or stay in my current job which is 100% WFH and - apart from client meetings - I can do my hours anytime, even on the weekend….this flexibility is a dream, especially with children I would imagine. I really think that this is a very reasonable consideration to run past my husband and to hear how he thinks we could or could not manage….

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bibbidiblobidyboo · 25/01/2024 23:24

You just need to say "No, you cannot possibly go back to work with a newborn after 2 weeks."
You don't even know how you will be after the birth. If you have complications and/or need a C-section?
He needs to talk to friends. Or get his parents to talk to him. At no point should you agree to his mad plan. If he thinks it is possible to look after the baby whilst working, he can try it first.

NotMarriedToAHouse · 25/01/2024 23:32

He doesn't understand babies, right? Gosh, my DH had to take six weeks off work himself after my last baby, I was that sick and incapable after my last birth. That's not the norm but anything could happen.

Avatartar · 25/01/2024 23:34

Congratulations on your pregnancy OP. He sounds like a self absorbed, successful professional who thinks if something needs to happen, it will, generally due to his conviction and hard work, his answer to every problem.
i also wonder if he’s scared as it’s all out of his control and experiences.
Make your own enquiries with nurseries you may use, find out the waiting times and present it to him like a business plan.
perhaps find out if anyone has tried and had WFH with a child denied. In your workplace, look up the HR work conditions etc on your intranet to see if they have a policy to put in front of him.
I’ve witnessed an administrator trying to WFH with a crawling baby. It didn’t last long and was beyond infuriating to watch. She was frazzled and the baby wasn’t getting attention from its parent who was present but not engaged essentially just making sure baby was safe.
no way can you WFH speaking to clients with a child and you need to make it clear you will not be doing that.
youve earned your maternity leave and time to rise your child

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