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Am I his Dad?

419 replies

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 09:40

To cut a very long story short my OH and I have been married for over 30 years. 8 years into our marriage I discovered my OH had met an acquaintance of ours in a secluded pub. Our daughter was aged 1 at the time.

It took me 2 years for me to finally click what had been going on by which time our son had been born.

My OH stonewalled my questions other than confess to only meeting him once. 19 years later she confessed to a 2nd meeting at that time. She hasn’t owned up to anything else in that time other than it wasn’t sexual. I have enough circumstantial evidence to suspect there were more than 2 meetings and it went on longer including into her pregnancy.

One of the many issues that have resulted is that our son was conceived in or around the date of that meeting at the pub. When you use the reverse calculator of his birth date it lands on that exact date.

This has troubled me for many years (I’ve had to bite my lip for most of those 20 plus years) and as our son grows older, some of his physical features have worried me further.

I have had 2 breakdowns during this time and did demand that we have a DNA Ancestry test done. My OH said go ahead as she didn’t have sex.

Our son is pretty much oblivious to all this but how do you ask him now he is into his 20s? I don’t want to trick him into doing one and I don’t want him to know about our full past.

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peachgreen · 24/01/2024 18:46

Unhinged.

pointythings · 24/01/2024 18:48

Still no acknowledgement that you were wrong about conception dates, OP?

Any answer you get from anyone two years after a routine event needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Asking the question two years on speaks of paranoia.

You need help.

martinisforeveryone · 24/01/2024 18:49

I phoned the Mother’s Group lady that was supposed to have held the party 2 years earlier to find she had never held one

That's the final straw. I'm out.

Mitherations · 24/01/2024 18:49

Are you testing out a true crime novel you're penning nightly along with your diary OP?

If this is real, there is a woman out there on the receiving end of this, and I personally couldn't put up with it for twenty minutes let alone twenty years, so count yourself lucky OP. Jesus Christ Alive, what a scen.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/01/2024 18:50

peachgreen · 24/01/2024 18:46

Unhinged.

Indeed. Every little thing chewed over again and again and again and again for 20 years. And such perfect recall, as well. 🙄

wellhello24 · 24/01/2024 18:52

The bottom line is you are his dad no matter what a test result would be. You have always been his dad & always will be.

Quartz2208 · 24/01/2024 18:52

How far back did you go with 9 weeks and 1 day to get the exact date @MrMarple because it certainly isn’t exact

Oliotya · 24/01/2024 18:52

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 18:44

You would have to ask my OH that. On the day I finally realised I’d been duped (if some don’t like word cheated) was a Saturday morning. My OH had once said she had gone to her Mother’s Group in the evening. I wrote it in my diary and completely forgotten about it. It was fact that I wrote ‘apparently’ that made me think oh no what really happened when I looked at it again 2 years later (after he turned up again at a social function and they disappeared).

I phoned the Mother’s Group lady that was supposed to have held the party 2 years earlier to find she had never held one. Her last words to me were ‘I’m so sorry”. When my OH came home I told her about the call but had to rush off to play football. I felt physically sick to the pit of my stomach.

While I was out playing football my OH ripped out a later diary page. She later that evening retrieved it but said a bit was missing which we never did find, well I didn’t.

The ‘truth’ of that came out 20 years later!

You do realise it is far from normal to quiz people on your spouses whereabouts years previously? Absoluty nuts. Seriously unhinged behavior.

I'm also noticing a distinct lack of interest in your son's wellbeing. You're just obsessed with lording it over your wife, on the off chance you will get vindication.

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 18:55

pointythings · 24/01/2024 16:28

So is OP going to address his complete goof around conception dates and admit he is totally wrong about that part of it?

FWIW if my other half threw a giant wobbler if I had a drink with another person if the opposite sex, I wouldn't tell them either.

Whilst I appreciate its not an exact science when using the conceived date calculator back from the birth date of my son it hits the exact date of meeting. Of course that might just be my bad luck.

My OH was desperate for a 2nd child and was off the pill. The month before this started there were tears when her period came on and felt she (or I) had failed again.

My OH had single male colleagues come to the house (when I was out and sometimes when I was unexpectedly there) when pregnant with our 1st child and shortly after but I didn’t throw a ‘wobbler’ even though it seemed strange.

This later event felt and was totally different as you can see by the way it has affected me.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/01/2024 18:58

Yep. Unhinged.

Oliotya · 24/01/2024 18:59

Perhaps he was going to help her leave you, but she chickened out after getting pregnant. "I can't stop thinking about you" was out of concern, not lust.

hellsBells246 · 24/01/2024 19:02

This is such a sad and bizarre story. Why on earth are you still with your OH? You're so worried that she cheated on you 20 years ago that you have had two nervous breakdowns, you can't have sex with her anymore, you've had countless counselling, yet still you think every day about this bloke she may have shagged 20 years ago??

Man, what a waste of a life.

You won't feel any better until you have a dna test to see if your dc is yours.

But your relationship is completely toxic - for you both. Surely you'd be happier apart??

vodkaredbullgirl · 24/01/2024 19:04

Been watching this all day and it has got worse.

Leave her and sort your shit out.

pikkumyy77 · 24/01/2024 19:08

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 13:04

Gosh this a tough crowd in here. According to some I’m a self-pitying, obsessive controlling and coercive narcissist with absolutely no feelings for his family.

I’d say that is a tad unfair. But I would wouldn’t I? If you met me (God forbid some might say) you would see a totally different person to what you describe.

Should I blame myself for my thought patterns and decision making? Undoubtedly but it doesn’t make me a bad person.

Anyway I’ll catch up later on subsequent posts. Thanks everyone for their posts even the more hateful ones as its giving me food for thought.

By the way I do love my OH and children. I have tried protecting my children from all of this and they have done well for themselves. My OH has a decent job and enjoys her downtime. So I couldn’t have screwed up their lives & minds as much as some on here seem to think. It’s my mind that is the issue. Tad selfish no doubt!

Look up covert narcissist, OP, and you might be surprised how well your behavior tracks that. At any rate if you have a problem its up to you to fix it. So fix it. No one here can tell you how to handle your suspicions or the destructive fallout from your suspicions.

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 19:11

pikkumyy77 · 24/01/2024 19:08

Look up covert narcissist, OP, and you might be surprised how well your behavior tracks that. At any rate if you have a problem its up to you to fix it. So fix it. No one here can tell you how to handle your suspicions or the destructive fallout from your suspicions.

Don’t apply for a role at the Samaritans

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beatrix1234 · 24/01/2024 19:15

@MrMarple My OH had single male colleagues come to the house (when I was out and sometimes when I was unexpectedly there) when pregnant with our 1st child and shortly after but I didn’t throw a ‘wobbler’ even though it seemed strange.

Yes, what an experience, it must feel very strange to go into your living room and find out your pregnant wife reviewing a dossier with a work colleague (insert sarcastic tone in this space).

You my dear.... have a problem.

whatsitcalledwhen · 24/01/2024 19:17

OP you didn't answer earlier - have you started a thread about this before? There was a remarkably similar story and the OP on that had plenty of useful and constructive advice but ignored it all. Might be best to say if that was you as then people can decide whether or not to contribute again.

Cynical85 · 24/01/2024 19:17

TripleDaisySummer · 24/01/2024 17:26

@Cynical85 there are people whose lives have been blown apart by ancestry tests showing them results they didn't expect. It's a known phenomenon.

If op tricks his son on some pretense - presumably the son will get the results directly and not the OP with no prior warning of potential problems which if Op isn't his Dad could place him in an awkward position.

The OP had 20 years to do anything - including leaving his wife - he'd done nothing but now needs to know?

Plus now his needs are more important than his sons - this has implication for identity, health and possible insurance and no-one here has any idea how the son will take that or what's going on in son's life. Your advocating tricking him rather than discussing with him - having the OP make choices for him.

Your post wasn't difficult to understand I just though it lacked any critical thinking focused on what best for the OP who sudden need to know after 20 years rather than any wider impact and advocating yet more lying.

The son deserves a conversation not more lies and deceits - and he should get to make decisions if he wants test - not random on internet or the OP.

I said numerous times the only person who matters is the son. My comments about the OP were only in relation to the fact the wife lied which is the reason these doubts started, understandably. but no one else seems to think it's an issue?

But I do agree I didn't think through re. the results. I suppose I just assumed as the OP had already done it and was asking they'd be sent to him, then if it wasn't his father the OP would sit down and have a conversation (as he'd have to do asking for a DNA test).

People are saying it doesn't matter because he brought him up/think of the damage instead of the sons right to know. I was just thinking a way to find out without illegally taking the sons dna and without him having to know his mother swore on their lives about something she later admitted lying about, and that his Dad has always had doubts he's his son because of that.

I do appreciate it was misguided to think the results would go to OP.

Cynical85 · 24/01/2024 19:20

I was just thinking a way to find out without illegally taking the sons dna and without him having to know his mother swore on their lives about something she later admitted lying about, and that his Dad has always had doubts he's his son because of that.

If it can be avoided because the OP is proven to be his biological father, which I do believe is the more likely scenario.

pointythings · 24/01/2024 19:21

This later event felt and was totally different as you can see by the way it has affected me.

This is what we in the biz know as 'a you problem'.

And the thing with the dates landing exactly is what we in the biz call 'a coincidence'.

Learn this.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/01/2024 19:22

Don’t apply for a role at the Samaritans

Don't give up the day job to write fiction.

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 19:24

Many have asked about my son. He is the most kind hearted, loving, thoughtful and generous person you are ever likely to meet despite our ‘toxic’ household. He does struggle to find a relationship and that is where one of my guilts kicks in. Subconsciously I haven’t been there for him.

To think I might not his biological father would be a massive kick in the gonads. And am I scared to find out. You bet. Poll any group of men and the large majority would say this is a massive issue. Hence I thought I would give this message-board a go. Undoubtedly an unwise decision which I can see now.

It’s not easy confronting this subject and I’ve pushed it to one side for 25 years bar 2 mental health episodes.

As for being accused of not telling the truth. That’s a bit galling. Thankfully some have just tried to answer the tricky question of where do I go from here. Walk away after 40 years and go crawl under a stone.

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MrMarple · 24/01/2024 19:27

whatsitcalledwhen · 24/01/2024 19:17

OP you didn't answer earlier - have you started a thread about this before? There was a remarkably similar story and the OP on that had plenty of useful and constructive advice but ignored it all. Might be best to say if that was you as then people can decide whether or not to contribute again.

As far as I remember I have never posted on here. I have no posts under my email. Does it have my username?

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CucumberBagel · 24/01/2024 19:27

If this is real, OP must be unbearable in person.

If this is fake, OP must be unbearable in person.

MrMarple · 24/01/2024 19:32

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/01/2024 19:22

Don’t apply for a role at the Samaritans

Don't give up the day job to write fiction.

Perhaps I should have gone to the Samaritans instead?!

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