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To accept the risk of losing my sister with honesty

115 replies

Balloonpopper101 · 11/01/2024 16:42

My sister has been ‘dating’ a jobless, weed smoking loser for the past year. She has 3 young children and moved him in very quickly. He doesn’t help her, he doesn’t work or pay his way, she feeds and clothes him and treats him better than her own children, she bails him out when he has a drunken fight at a pub and I feel like she’s changed as a person so much yet she defends him constantly.
She is happy (or so she says) and doesn’t see the issues I do. My concern is that he is using her for somewhere to live and someone to fund his addictions. His ex went to court to ensure he kept away from her and his sons. My sister thinks the ex is jealous and made it up.
They’ve just had a baby together and he’s taken off. He doesn’t help with the baby and abandons them regularly to smoke weed. So now she is struggling with 4 children and on universal credit and to be completely honest, I have no sympathy for her anymore.
She put herself in this situation and has turned into an unrecognisable person, suddenly very rude and snappy at her family who are trying to support her, has began copying her boyfriends mannerisms and behaviours and is generally a shadow of her former self.
I don’t believe there is any abuse, I just think she has chosen the worse person to bring into her children’s lives, yet she plans to marry him and have more children.
I feel she needs a sharp awakening to who he is and that she is putting herself and her children in a bad situation, she will be very lonely if family turn their back on her and also the children need family to ensure they don’t go without.
My MIL has suggested an anonymous report to SS, but I don’t want to ruin the family and risk my nieces and nephew going into care.
I want this waste of space out of their lives for good, but only she can make that decision.
What would you do in this position?
If I came across bad in any way, I do apologise, I’m just sick of being the punch bag when once again the boyfriend has disappeared with his drug taking friends and spent the last money for nappies on weed instead.
So my question is, am I being a bad person by not caring about the risk of losing her as my sister by being honest after supporting her all year and having it thrown back in my face? I’ve done my best and watched the whole situation from the sidelines but there’s only so much I can do to help.

OP posts:
RafaistheKingofClay · 11/01/2024 17:57

PurpleBugz · 11/01/2024 17:54

Having been through family court I would say for him not to get contact with his other kid then there was serious safeguarding issues you have not been made aware of. I used to be in a support group for abused women. Drug addict abusive men we're getting contact all the time- it had to fairly serious abuse to the child not 'just' neglect for there to be no contact ordered. On this basis I would make the referral to SS as thy will be able to look up the history and make an informed assessment of the situation

I think in a subsequent post the op clarified that the court hadn’t prevented contact. He is allowed contact but the ex refuses to let him have it. (Quite sensibly by the sounds of it)

Raspberrymoon49 · 11/01/2024 18:01

You may be the only advocate these children have, be their voice

Flopsythebunny · 11/01/2024 18:04

Balloonpopper101 · 11/01/2024 17:05

This is why I’m posting… for advice. this isn’t a work situation where I have no connection to the family, this is my family so I have to make the right choices for everyone in this case. I’ve never made out that he abuses them or he’s violent or anything like that some of you are implying. I am angry and ranting because I can’t stand the man and want him away from my sister and the children. However she refuses to listen to me and won’t leave him. If I report her I need concrete evidence they’re all in danger, I don’t. He smokes weed, takes advantage, takes her money and disrespects her. None of that would cause a concern in terms of safety. I am willing to risk our relationship by cutting them off because I hate sitting back and watching what happens, while I pick up the pieces, pay her rent when he spends it on weed and consoles her when he walks out. I’m sick of it, I have my own life and family to focus on so I shouldn’t be doing this. She is an adult and should be making sensible choices. I don’t know how else to get it through to her. So before attacking me, I am trying to help and I’m now at a loss. Thank you to those who have offered actual advice.

None of what you've described would result in the children being removed from your sister's care

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 11/01/2024 18:19

Justcallmebebes · 11/01/2024 17:28

This is the most sensible response so far on this thread. Plus, I don't know why the OP is getting such a rough ride. Not deserved at all

That's MN these days, it seems. Relationships was a lovely supportive place back in the day, now it's degenerated into drive-by bitch-plopping that belongs in AIBU.

OP you're in a horrible situation and I feel for you and the DC. You mentioned the older kids' dad - is he aware of the situation? Could he be useful here?

Mariposistaa · 11/01/2024 18:33

Sounds like those kiddies need removing from their feckless mother asap

craigth162 · 11/01/2024 18:37

The children are not loved, safe and well cared for.

AgentJohnson · 11/01/2024 18:51

When you pay her rent because your sister has given her money to her bf, you’re not supporting her, you’re enabling her. You might as well give him wads of cash. Bailing her out with childcare and money means she never has to deal with the consequences of her fecklessness.

Beautiful3 · 11/01/2024 18:51

You have to report this to social services. It will give your sister the wake up call. They don't break up families, they safe guard them.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 11/01/2024 18:53

Report to health visitor
Report to social services
Report to school
Stop giving him money via her
Stop enabling her behaviour

You know you should do this

Those poor kids growing up in that toxicity

HoldMeCloserTonyDancer · 11/01/2024 18:58

You can tell her all you like. You can make your feelings towards him obvious. If she wants him she’ll dig her heels in. I’ve seen it all. No amount of dissent from you will change her mind. Trust me

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 11/01/2024 19:00

Justcallmebebes · 11/01/2024 17:28

This is the most sensible response so far on this thread. Plus, I don't know why the OP is getting such a rough ride. Not deserved at all

I agree. Honestly, some of the replies on this thread, and the responses to OP are awful. Some of you seem to live in cloud cuckoo land if you really believe that reporting that someone's boyfriend smokes weed and isn't allowed near his ex partner is going to trigger all kinds of action. There are many, many, children living in homes like this - not just in the UK - and there are also many living in far worse conditions, and it is the latter ones ss need to focus their limited resources on.

I really had no idea there were so many people so disconnected from the real world. Of course it's dreadful and shouldn't happen, but unfortunately it does. This is the world we now live in and maybe some of you should look outside your middle class bubble once in a while and then you might be able to offer sensible advice to people caught in the middle like OP.

HoldMeCloserTonyDancer · 11/01/2024 19:05

You can’t call the police and Social Services because you don’t like a boyfriend.

plumberdrain · 11/01/2024 19:06

people are just very concerned about four children living in this shit show day in and day out.

Even someone in RL who the Op has confided in (her MIL) has urged her to progress with SS

every day that no adult knowing this doesn’t act, is another day these children go without “food and nappies sometimes FGS) with a mum who the Op says treats her drunken weed addict boyfriend of one year better than her children

so apologies if some of us aren’t going to go “there there Op” but instead get bloody angry at the inaction

IncompleteSenten · 11/01/2024 19:11

Sounds like reporting is the best way to help the children.

Your sister is failing them.
Don't you fail them too.

fatphalange · 11/01/2024 19:11

@plumberdrain no I didn't miss that. SS aren't going to get involved over a court order in a previous relationship

Falkenburg · 11/01/2024 19:12

Children that are subjected to a mothers 'Cock before kids' attitude are often subwjwct to being abused, whether it be physically or emotionally.

Report her.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 11/01/2024 19:14

they don't go without because OP steps in. You're kicking the person who is caring and trying to help @plumberdrain and that will never help, you're just going to drive her away from the helpful and good advice she could get here. Just because the MIL says report that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, if she is estranged from her sister then who will help these kids. You're ignoring all the posters who are rightly pointing out that this just does not meet the threshold for SS involvement. We all care about kids here, you can tell OP really cares. If you want to help just advise nicely, it's so much more constructive.

IncompleteSenten · 11/01/2024 19:17

You're having a laugh, right? His ex went to court to try to keep him away from his children.

He gets drunk and starts fights.

Sister is leaving her children without essentials in order to give him drug money.

Of course social services will want to visit and ensure the children aren't at risk in any way.

Nicole1111 · 11/01/2024 19:19

Report it. Do it anonymously via the nspcc website if it makes you feel better. The children won’t be placed in care if there is loving and safe family members to take them but it is also very hard to remove a child so they are unlikely to be removed in this situation unless things are going on you don’t know about. Social services will check with professionals and find out from the police he’s got a history of domestic abuse, talk to health and find out your sister has refused visits and talk to the kids school and find out they smell of cannabis etc. It’s likely with all that they will at least want to speak to your sister on the phone which might make her think about her choices.
You also need to think very carefully about boundaries you are going to put in. If you keep rescuing her and papering the cracks he has left how will professionals ever know how bad it is, and will your sister ever be motivated to try and change things when she doesn’t experience the full consequences of her choices?

plumberdrain · 11/01/2024 19:20

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 11/01/2024 19:14

they don't go without because OP steps in. You're kicking the person who is caring and trying to help @plumberdrain and that will never help, you're just going to drive her away from the helpful and good advice she could get here. Just because the MIL says report that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, if she is estranged from her sister then who will help these kids. You're ignoring all the posters who are rightly pointing out that this just does not meet the threshold for SS involvement. We all care about kids here, you can tell OP really cares. If you want to help just advise nicely, it's so much more constructive.

you say “caring”

i say “enabling”

plumberdrain · 11/01/2024 19:23

doeent meet the threshold

so… children go in smelling of weed
so… mother spends benefits on her boyfriend rather than food nappies for her children
so… the mother “treats hime better than her children”
so… the man has been convicted of assault against his former partner who refuses access to their children
so… he will “fight anyone” and get in drunken brawls

it’s worth a shot don’t you think?

fatphalange · 11/01/2024 19:30

I wish I was as naïve as some MNers. Similar well meaning but misplaced advice on a thread last night. Next there'll be posters saying to OP's who are up against services which have basically ceased to exist and don't function any more, 'well why don't you just click your fingers, OP'

JustExistingNotLiving · 11/01/2024 19:34

@Balloonpopper101 what are your parents saying about the situation? Could they step in too if needed?

OhcantthInkofaname · 11/01/2024 19:35

plumberdrain · 11/01/2024 16:58

oh so now he’s just a “weed smoking boyfriend”

a touch different from the picture you paint in your OP 🙄

No, it isn't. She's very carefully said what he does and how he is.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 11/01/2024 19:35

No I don't think it's worth a shot if it estranges the kids safety net!! She might not be doing everything perfectly right but at the moment she's a strong protective factor for them.

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