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Fab & Glam Part 4 - Spring into Happiness!

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Paddlechick666 · 17/03/2008 13:26

Good Lord people, we've filled a thread up in about 6 weeks!

Anyways, here's a link to the venue Tanee suggested for a picnic:

www.coramsfields.org/index.php

Looks fabulous so let's get planning!

ps: sorry for London/Southern centric take on this but we'll plan hits around the rest of the country too I promise.

pps: Lily, get yer butt on FB woman!

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macdoodle · 14/04/2008 19:54

Good luck for tomorrow Tanee x

sugarpear · 14/04/2008 20:21

Bedroom sounds lovely tanee. Wishing you and dp all the best for tomorrow. Will be thinking of you both.x

Pc- we have missed you xx

Baffy {{{{hugs}}}

Have a great holiday lily. Im with tfm i love cravans in the rain. When we move im insisting on a house with a conservatory. Sitting in there with the rain pouring down and a hot chocolate in hand is my idea of heaven!

Hi to everyone else xxx

No lucybubble around? Hope she is well?

Paddlechick666 · 14/04/2008 20:39

thanks sugar, just been so busy!

landed up sitting my neighbours kids for an hour or so this evening.

really wasn't keen but her dp had an operation today and was late going in so wasnt out of surgery till gone 5pm.

so how on earth does it happen that after i've done her a favour, put dd to bed an hour later than normal on a school night and had the house trashed do I sit here feeling guilty about not having them for longer so she could visit him longer!

jeeez, I need a slap sometimes!

i'm glad i was able to help out and they are really nice and very very grateful but i know when she asked i resented it and now i feel bad.

i am bloody ridiculous! i need to seriously chill-ax

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Dior · 14/04/2008 20:46

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Baffy · 14/04/2008 21:05

PC you don't need a slap! You did them a favour. You felt a bit fed up (as we all would on a school night with a disrupted routine!) but you're only human

You did the favour as best you could in the circumstances - job done!

Sugar thanks for the hugs. I do need them right now!

Won't get onto FB properly now as ds had a late sleep with FIL today (yes I'm ungrateful ) but he's still bouncing round now so off to see if a quiet story will calm things a bit...

Tanee will be thinking of you tomorrow xx

ginnedup · 14/04/2008 21:26

Lucky you Dior! Mine have got another week off yet.
Have a lovely break Lilyloo - I love camping - I'm very .

HappyWoman · 15/04/2008 07:16

Mine dc are back today - and so i will hopefully feel a bit more normal I have just felt like a referee between them all.

Good luck tannee and dp - hope it goes well.

Hi to everyone else.

TimeForMe · 16/04/2008 10:34

Hello Girls

Just saying Hi and hoping everyone is ok and happy?.. ?? I'm feeling Happy today, not sure why but it does feel nice

Lots of love xxx

Baffy · 16/04/2008 11:35

Glad you're feeling happy TFM

Tanee how are things??

I'm doing ok too. Doing really well at my job which is giving me a massive boost. Feel very proud of myself!

Not having any blokes on the scene also means that even though it is breaking my heart working full time, the time I do get with ds is fantastic and I'm loving having him all to myself and the special bond we seem to have right now.
Co-sleeping is not for everyone, but it's working great for me with being out of the house so much during the day. We both woke up about 4am this morning as the rain was really heavy on the window, and he put his Thomas lamp on, then had a drink of water and a little cuddle and chat and those times are so so precious. Then we snuggled up and went back to sleep. I love times like that so much

Baffy · 16/04/2008 11:58

BTW - tfm I haven't managed to get on FB to reply but just to summarise - I definitely think divorce is not what I want and never will be.

But I truly believe I need to take this step for so many reasons.
I don't believe he values me (or my love/patience) in the slightest.
I need to show him (and myself) that I won't be treated like a mug indefinitely.
I need him to see that even I have a breaking point and he has pushed me to the absolute limit.
I need to take some control of the situation and stop living in limbo.

Ultimately, I am prepared to go through with it if he signs. I think that option is actually better than the way I'm living. In constant hope but with constant rejection.

I have a few ground rules of my own now...

I want to be with someone who

  • values marriage as much as I do
  • puts being a good husband and parent before EVERYTHING else
  • understands how lucky they are to have me and ds in their lives ( I don't mean that in a big headed way!)

Thing is with H. He doesn't do any of those 3. His top priority is himself. His loyalty is to OW before me. But more shockingly, his loyalty is to her before his own son! And that is something I can't live with.
And the way things are, if we were to reconcile, I would feel like he did it for me. Not because it's what he wants and where he truly believes his happiness lies.

And because of that, I would be living in fear of him leaving again.

I don't 100% rule out a future with him. You know me! But if that can ever happen I think he now needs to see, and feel the pain, of exactly how his life will be when he has lost the best 2 things in it.
And while i'm in the background waiting he'll never understand that.

I'm at a strange place. Really calm. And I do think that filing for divorce is something i'll never be happy with, but something I know I need to do.

TimeForMe · 16/04/2008 12:00

I love co sleeping too Baffy. DD even talks in her sleep! She snores too but it's a lovely snore, it makes me laugh, makes me laugh even more when she poops!

I'm so glad you are feeling proud of yourself, you should do! xx

TimeForMe · 16/04/2008 12:37

I would say you are in a good place Baffy. I know how hard this all is for you and I so admire your strength and your self worth. Well done you, I am so proud of you! xx

Tanee58 · 16/04/2008 14:53

Hi everyone, thanks for your good wishes.

Well, things went ok for DP - conditional discharge for 6 months, £350 compensation & costs. They seemed sympathetic to his account of the row & its consequences.

The houseguests are proving lovely - the french boy is just like my nephew - even DD commented on it - seems very sensitive, a good dry sense of humour, and understands English quite well. As for his mum, she's saving my sanity.

DP kicked off again slightly the night they arrived - about a clash between DD wanting to watch Skins, and DP having offered the boy the sofa bed. They were quite happy to share the spare room, but he felt undermined & embarrassed that I countermanded the sofa bed. He started swearing at me but I stopped him mid-stride and reminded him that that was the sort of behaviour that landed him in court. He did stop, and apologised, but we really got nowhere and he slept on the sofa. He did it again last night, despite saying he'd come to bed - and he'd drunk nearly two bottles again. I got up at 6am and found his friend in the kitchen. She's so sweet that I poured it all out over a cup of tea & she was very supportive. She's known him about 30 years now, & agreed with me that he's using DD as a focus for his own frustrations with work and the huge commitment he's taken on. It's just so unfair to put it all on DD. He's never really had a relationship that's lasted this long, and deep down, I think he's afraid of commitment. It's like a test. He's getting older and probably wonders how we will manage as his work will always be uncertain. And he seems to resent DD being around as he says he doesn't feel at home here and is looking forward to going away in two weeks.

Part of me agrees - when he goes, we can go back to brief visits and some of the romance will return. But life just isn't like that - the honeymoon is over and I just want us to work on the long-term strategy.

His friend suggested he really needs help - she said ADs helped her a few years back, when she was going through a traumatic patch - or just some counselling to help him put things in perspective.

Guess I should be shooting over to the step-parenting thread .

This morning he shuffled off to bed whilst we were in the kitchen, and was dozing when I left for work. For the first time ever, I didn't kiss him or say goodbye. Just left

And to cap it all, his hideous BIL is planning to visit again the weekend of the Cup Final. DD and I will NOT be there.

Dior · 16/04/2008 17:36

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Baffy · 17/04/2008 09:42

That's a relief Tanee. I'm so glad it went ok.

So sorry for you and dd though with the way he's behaving his friend sounds very wise, I think that's great advice.

Also I think you're doing so well as you can see the issues and understand why he's behaving this way. That is fantastic as it really is the first step to finding a solution once you know what's causing this behaviour.

Do you think he will get help from the GP or go to counselling? TBH I think counselling sounds like the best option.

And thanks for the support guys
I do feel ok. Surprisingly! Can't wait for my birthday next week. And overall quite positive.

Guess what - I rang all those numbers too!! I don't know what made me do it. I got out of the shower at the weekend and just thought oh sod it! And did it!
Sadly they were all wrong numbers
So, back to the drawing board with that one!

Dior · 17/04/2008 12:15

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Baffy · 17/04/2008 12:27

Oh no Dior - what a horrible situation? Have you managed to get some time with her to have a proper chat? Could you invite her and her dd round?

Tanee58 · 17/04/2008 12:33

Baffy, I'm sorry the numbers didn't work out - but good on you for trying!

Baffy · 17/04/2008 13:15

It was so funny you know. One person that answered was an old lady, and I asked to speak to xx, and she said oh no I'm really sorry you must have got the wrong number. Then she started chatting away!

And then after a few minutes she said what number did you want, so I read her number out, but changed the end digit and then she said 'ooh lovey, you've typed the last digit in as a 4 instead of a 3, oh put the phone down and try again and I'm sure you'll get it right next time, just make sure you do the 3 at the end'.... etc etc! Felt like I knew her by the time I got off the phone!!!

TimeForMe · 17/04/2008 13:23

So that was you......

Dior · 17/04/2008 13:28

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Baffy · 17/04/2008 13:35

Sounds like you're doing the right thing Dior. Totally agree. And she knows you're there for her too doesn't she. I guess there's not much more you can do.

TFM I'm sorry I delayed your 10am 'cuppa' then

TimeForMe · 17/04/2008 13:38

Never mind the cuppa, I laid awake all night worrying that you hadn't hit the 3 again

TimeForMe · 17/04/2008 13:40

Got a tip for you Baffy, next time you are in the presense of a really nice man, switch on the bluetooth on your phone and it will pick up the bluetooth on his. BUT, it may also pick up the bluetooth on a couple of undesirables too so you will have fun working out which one is him

ginnedup · 17/04/2008 13:49

Hello. Just checking in, a bit naughty while I'm at work but my boss is out and I'm a bit bored today.
Baffy - how annoying that none of the numbers were right. Don't give up though, if its meant to be something will happen.
Dior - What a horrible position to be in - you have done the right thing confiding in someone else though, its good for your friend to have people looking out for her.
Tannee - like my P he seems to have got off lightly and not learnt much from the experience . Having said that my P seems to be on the straight and narrow again after the last episode and being very nice and attentive - and I'm milking it for all its worth!!!
Hi TFM - you do make me laugh - you have a wicked sense of humour

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