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Trans people and loved ones

127 replies

AlphaTransWoman · 04/11/2023 16:37

I feel this is one of the most difficult topics of all around gender transition, but for this very reason, it's one that has to be addressed. Apologies if this is on the wrong board, but I think it fits best here given the frequent discussions around trans issues that take place here.

I've been reading the excellent Trans Widows Voices website recommended on another thread, and I found many of the stories there heart-breaking. Transition can have a devastating effect on relationships, both between partners and close family members such as parents and children. One would be foolish to deny that.

Sometimes, however, transition is unavoidable where it is essential for an individual's mental wellbeing and their ability to function at all - whether in a relationship or in wider society.

The question then is how to mitigate the damage. What can transitioners and their loved ones do to preserve relationships if that is better for all involved, or end them amicably if not? My immediate thought is that good communication, understanding each other's boundaries and supporting each other are key, though I'm not entirely sure how these could work in practice.

The question is simply whether there is a helpful discussion we can have here about how the situation can be better managed? I'm not sure but I hope there is.

Please note that for reasons of privacy I won't be able to answer personal questions on this subject, and would hope any discussion on this issue is in general rather than specific terms. I hope you understand my reasons for this.

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Karensalright · 04/11/2023 19:16

well i have the deleted badge.

op do you not realise that if you tell your 2.5 family that you are in the wrong body is something your loved ones can navigate ?

are you a transvestite or a transsexual

they will be confused

Catsanfan · 04/11/2023 19:18

Oh @AlphaTransWoman please show some tact and read the room. Why are you even on this board? You are clearly not a feminist. I get that it's a board for gender discussion but we don't want you here pushing your trans agenda. Happy to talk to you if you will address the matters that concern us, but you never do

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 19:28

Why do these idiots always think they have some new perspective to offer that is going to "help" women "understand" things?

The wording is always the fucking same.

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and wasn't pushing at women's boundaries so much.

But actually they don't want to help anyone understand anything, as Tinsel says, it's just wheedling to get round a "no".

We "understand" things quite well enough, marra. Thanks.

AlphaTransWoman · 04/11/2023 19:33

@Karensalright
Thank you. I live full time as a woman and on hormone therapy.

Obviously it is a big shock when someone close to you reveals that they have been suffering from gender dysphoria and now need to transition.

Where people are married or in a long term relationship, I think it is important that someone experiencing gender dysphoria is open about their feelings and the emotional challenges they are experiencing from the outset of the relationship.

This can be very difficult when a person who is trying to deny their experience of gender dysphoria and may be feeling very shameful about it. They might also worry that a potential partner finds it repellent.

Hiding it from one's partner is, however, the worst thing someone with gender dysphoria can do, as the consequences of it suddenly coming to light after several years in a relationship can be catastrophic.

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ArthurbellaScott · 04/11/2023 19:36

Right. And what does any of that have to do with feminism, OP?

Maybe ask for this to be moved onto another board. Or, as suggested upthread, try a different website.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 19:38

ArthurbellaScott · 04/11/2023 19:36

Right. And what does any of that have to do with feminism, OP?

Maybe ask for this to be moved onto another board. Or, as suggested upthread, try a different website.

Not my website though however "excellent" it is.

FreddysSquishyBollock · 04/11/2023 19:40

The Beaumont Society is over there ➡️

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 19:46

Do they actually have a script?

heathspeedwell · 04/11/2023 19:46

Personally I don't believe that a man can 'live full time as a woman'. And I say that as a woman who lived with a man who genuinely believed he was a type of woman for a while.

It's interesting that these men think it's a failing of our comprehension and we just need more education. They simply can't imagine a scenario in which they are the ones who are wrong.

Catsanfan · 04/11/2023 19:49

As Posie Parker once asked India Willoughby, wtaf is 'living as a woman'?!

Woman2023 · 04/11/2023 19:52

Um, well most of the people on this thread do live as women, on account of being women. The men, not so much.

WickedSerious · 04/11/2023 19:55

How the fuck does a bloke 'live full time as a woman'?

ApocalipstickNow · 04/11/2023 19:56

It's interesting that these men think it's a failing of our comprehension and we just need more education. They simply can't imagine a scenario in which they are the ones who are wrong.
yes

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 19:56

Catsanfan · 04/11/2023 19:49

As Posie Parker once asked India Willoughby, wtaf is 'living as a woman'?!

Maybe it involves cooking.

I've been fancying a nice warming soup in this cold November weather. Does anyone have any good recipes?

NugatoryMatters · 04/11/2023 20:01

It’s amazing that you’ve read the struggles women and families are having and have decided to turn it all into a ‘but won’t anyone think about how hard it is to be a transwoman’. On that thread and now here.

It doesn’t reflect well on you at all OP.

Maybe you try having some empathy for other people. Rather than insisting everyone should be centring you.

ChishiyaBat · 04/11/2023 20:02

Oh god here he is again inserting himself into a place he's not wanted or needed!

NugatoryMatters · 04/11/2023 20:03

WickedSerious · 04/11/2023 19:55

How the fuck does a bloke 'live full time as a woman'?

I’m pretty certain all of our blood pressures would benefit from not hearing alpha’s answer to that question.

It will be deeply, deeply insulting to women everywhere. Just going by everything else this poster has written on other threads.

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 20:04

ManinBoots did a lovely Leek, Cauliflower and Celery soup the other day. With chicken. It was good.

I'll tell him he's a woman now.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 20:08

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 20:04

ManinBoots did a lovely Leek, Cauliflower and Celery soup the other day. With chicken. It was good.

I'll tell him he's a woman now.

I'm not a fan of celery.

Did he leave the chicken in chunks or try and blend it? I've found blending chicken gives your soup a funny texture.

I like a roasted butternut squash soup, with the onions in it also roasted myself.

AlphaTransWoman · 04/11/2023 20:11

I love cooking! Home made pizza tonight. I guess we can talk about food if we can't talk about anything else.

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TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 20:12

AlphaTransWoman · 04/11/2023 20:11

I love cooking! Home made pizza tonight. I guess we can talk about food if we can't talk about anything else.

Again, no.

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 20:12

The celery was just a nice hint. Chicken in after blending definitely!

Ooooo yes, love a butternut squash.

Butternut squash and carrot was another hit.

Catsanfan · 04/11/2023 20:12

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 19:56

Maybe it involves cooking.

I've been fancying a nice warming soup in this cold November weather. Does anyone have any good recipes?

I wonder that, too. Speaking as a crap cook, maybe I am not a woman. Perhaps it involves being great at ironing and eyeliner?!

WickedSerious · 04/11/2023 20:17

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 20:04

ManinBoots did a lovely Leek, Cauliflower and Celery soup the other day. With chicken. It was good.

I'll tell him he's a woman now.

Only if he borrowed your pinny.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 20:18

WomaninBoots · 04/11/2023 20:12

The celery was just a nice hint. Chicken in after blending definitely!

Ooooo yes, love a butternut squash.

Butternut squash and carrot was another hit.

A good tip I learned at Slimming World is if you blend a tin of chick peas into home made soup, it gives it a creamy texture.