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Best friends dd said her mother laughed at me being ghosted by date

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capabilityfrowns · 28/10/2023 22:29

My friends dd has form for being a little stirrer , she's special needs and does like attention and to stir things up but I've found there is always an element of truth to what she says

She said when I left a key for a delivery her mum nosied around my house and said it was messy , she said this in front of her mum and I just said well it probably was messy , I'm not tidy !

Recently (around 2 months ago ) friend started seeing a guy so we've seen less of other which is only natural but I still help,out with her dd (she's a single mum , so baby sit etc )

I get on really well with her dd. If she is challenging to say the least . Her mum and I get together probably around once a month for a drink . I was really excited to have a date for the first time in around 18 months (I've been single for 4 years, when we met we both were single ) It after the date he spoke to me for a further day then conversation talked off . I text after 48 hours saying if you've changed your mind about a second date just say , he text back "yes sorry I think you're great but the distance would be an issue " (he lived 2 hours away ) so I said well it's better just to know , take care , good luck . I was disappointed because he was first date in so long and I'd fancied him but on the night there were red flags ( he was desperately trying to get me pissed and up to his room ) so I felt maybe I dodged a bullet and was feeling ok , plus I'd been the grown up and just asked instead of letting him ghost me

Then friends dd sent this text to me last night : there will be some truth to it, it I also don't take what she says as gospel.

I'm actually more hurt than I thought . I do a lot for friend . Lots of childcare , favours , etc .

I'm wondering now whether to just say something or leave it .

Best friends dd said her mother laughed at me being ghosted by date
OP posts:
IncompleteSenten · 29/10/2023 04:32

And going forward be more discerning who you share your information with.

Summermeadowflowers · 29/10/2023 04:38

Being blunt here

I think when you’re on your own, it can be easy to get over involved and invested in other people and their lives and problems. I have been guilty of this in the past so am not approaching from a judgemental perspective, it is merely observational. I think this is where things can happen very gradually and it does help to take a step back.

I would agree it isn’t appropriate at all to be texting a young girl with additional needs about a relationship. It’s not because you personally pose a threat but it is because it suggests to the girl that texting adults in this way is normal, is what you do. And this then blurs the boundaries for other interactions. It puts you both at risk, and the fact you don’t see this does suggest to me that you’ve lost perspective a bit.

This next bit is harsh and I don’t like typing it but I think you need to see it. I think you believe these people are your friends and they are not. I think they’ve been laughing at you for a long time. That’s on them and not you and it’s a horrible and wrong way to behave but I do think some of your actions have crossed over a line a bit and that’s in turn led to the situation.

About seven or eight years ago I had a friend (she still is a friend) who was experiencing marital difficulties and it is a very long story but when I look back I see that I definitely became over invested in ‘helping.’ Early in 2016 I had what seemed at first to be a minor injury which turned into a major injury and chronic pain. A few months down the line, following a lot of anguish, pain, waiting, crying, hanging on to my job by the skin of my teeth, I was not only lonely but isolated through my pain and it was constantly brought home to me how vulnerable I was.

When life is like that it’s very natural to look outside of yourself for distraction purposes. A caring nature is a good thing but it’s easy to become too involved and see yourself as a bit of a knight in shining armour and I think that’s what you’ve done. You say you’re the only one who can get the DD to school but you also say she’s manipulative. Think about that for a moment.

I think you have subconsciously replaced a relationship with your friend and that’s more common than people think, it isn’t sexual, it can happen with children as well where a partner dies or leaves and a child (often the eldest but not always) becomes the surrogate spouse who the remaining parent will confide in and rely on for help. In your friends case though, she’s happy to use you but sees it as needy and sad and mocks it. It’s a horrible way to behave but you really do need to step back for everyone’s sake.

I would personally just say honestly to your neighbour that you think the texts the DD sent were inappropriate and you think it’s probably best not to communicate via this way going forward and block and mean it. She is your neighbour and you want to keep things amicable but being nice, smiley and polite but cool.

It’s really easy to trot out ‘oh get a hobby!’ but actually this is what I did. I got really into creative writing following my ‘year from hell’ and while I was never going to be the next JK Rowling or anything it gave me a focus and an interest outside of other peoples lives, or rather meant that I could take an interest in fictitious characters which is harmless! So thanks to research for writing I did I ended up reading up on a variety of social and historical references which was really interesting. Anyway that might not be for you but I think if you find something that is it would help.

The above all seems a very long time ago now. I met my now-husband a couple of years later, had DS in 2020 and DD a few months ago and the lonely woman in physical and mental pain seems light years away to the mum and wife I am now (although my injury does still play up and I do get down as I’m human) but life can and does change very rapidly. Self awareness is key here though and none of what I’m posting is trying to upset, but honestly, really, don’t pursue this friendship.

DisforDarkChocolate · 29/10/2023 04:46

Bloody hell, with your attitude about 'special needs' I'd have nothing to do with you.

BrokenWoken · 29/10/2023 05:56

Summermeadowflowers · 29/10/2023 04:38

Being blunt here

I think when you’re on your own, it can be easy to get over involved and invested in other people and their lives and problems. I have been guilty of this in the past so am not approaching from a judgemental perspective, it is merely observational. I think this is where things can happen very gradually and it does help to take a step back.

I would agree it isn’t appropriate at all to be texting a young girl with additional needs about a relationship. It’s not because you personally pose a threat but it is because it suggests to the girl that texting adults in this way is normal, is what you do. And this then blurs the boundaries for other interactions. It puts you both at risk, and the fact you don’t see this does suggest to me that you’ve lost perspective a bit.

This next bit is harsh and I don’t like typing it but I think you need to see it. I think you believe these people are your friends and they are not. I think they’ve been laughing at you for a long time. That’s on them and not you and it’s a horrible and wrong way to behave but I do think some of your actions have crossed over a line a bit and that’s in turn led to the situation.

About seven or eight years ago I had a friend (she still is a friend) who was experiencing marital difficulties and it is a very long story but when I look back I see that I definitely became over invested in ‘helping.’ Early in 2016 I had what seemed at first to be a minor injury which turned into a major injury and chronic pain. A few months down the line, following a lot of anguish, pain, waiting, crying, hanging on to my job by the skin of my teeth, I was not only lonely but isolated through my pain and it was constantly brought home to me how vulnerable I was.

When life is like that it’s very natural to look outside of yourself for distraction purposes. A caring nature is a good thing but it’s easy to become too involved and see yourself as a bit of a knight in shining armour and I think that’s what you’ve done. You say you’re the only one who can get the DD to school but you also say she’s manipulative. Think about that for a moment.

I think you have subconsciously replaced a relationship with your friend and that’s more common than people think, it isn’t sexual, it can happen with children as well where a partner dies or leaves and a child (often the eldest but not always) becomes the surrogate spouse who the remaining parent will confide in and rely on for help. In your friends case though, she’s happy to use you but sees it as needy and sad and mocks it. It’s a horrible way to behave but you really do need to step back for everyone’s sake.

I would personally just say honestly to your neighbour that you think the texts the DD sent were inappropriate and you think it’s probably best not to communicate via this way going forward and block and mean it. She is your neighbour and you want to keep things amicable but being nice, smiley and polite but cool.

It’s really easy to trot out ‘oh get a hobby!’ but actually this is what I did. I got really into creative writing following my ‘year from hell’ and while I was never going to be the next JK Rowling or anything it gave me a focus and an interest outside of other peoples lives, or rather meant that I could take an interest in fictitious characters which is harmless! So thanks to research for writing I did I ended up reading up on a variety of social and historical references which was really interesting. Anyway that might not be for you but I think if you find something that is it would help.

The above all seems a very long time ago now. I met my now-husband a couple of years later, had DS in 2020 and DD a few months ago and the lonely woman in physical and mental pain seems light years away to the mum and wife I am now (although my injury does still play up and I do get down as I’m human) but life can and does change very rapidly. Self awareness is key here though and none of what I’m posting is trying to upset, but honestly, really, don’t pursue this friendship.

What an honest, decent and helpful response.
I think more MN replies and posts need to be like this. OP, your questions have been answered!

CloudyAgain · 29/10/2023 06:01

I also think you need to step back from this family. You sound very enmeshed with them and it seems an unhealthy dynamic.

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/10/2023 06:26

Summermeadowflowers · 29/10/2023 04:38

Being blunt here

I think when you’re on your own, it can be easy to get over involved and invested in other people and their lives and problems. I have been guilty of this in the past so am not approaching from a judgemental perspective, it is merely observational. I think this is where things can happen very gradually and it does help to take a step back.

I would agree it isn’t appropriate at all to be texting a young girl with additional needs about a relationship. It’s not because you personally pose a threat but it is because it suggests to the girl that texting adults in this way is normal, is what you do. And this then blurs the boundaries for other interactions. It puts you both at risk, and the fact you don’t see this does suggest to me that you’ve lost perspective a bit.

This next bit is harsh and I don’t like typing it but I think you need to see it. I think you believe these people are your friends and they are not. I think they’ve been laughing at you for a long time. That’s on them and not you and it’s a horrible and wrong way to behave but I do think some of your actions have crossed over a line a bit and that’s in turn led to the situation.

About seven or eight years ago I had a friend (she still is a friend) who was experiencing marital difficulties and it is a very long story but when I look back I see that I definitely became over invested in ‘helping.’ Early in 2016 I had what seemed at first to be a minor injury which turned into a major injury and chronic pain. A few months down the line, following a lot of anguish, pain, waiting, crying, hanging on to my job by the skin of my teeth, I was not only lonely but isolated through my pain and it was constantly brought home to me how vulnerable I was.

When life is like that it’s very natural to look outside of yourself for distraction purposes. A caring nature is a good thing but it’s easy to become too involved and see yourself as a bit of a knight in shining armour and I think that’s what you’ve done. You say you’re the only one who can get the DD to school but you also say she’s manipulative. Think about that for a moment.

I think you have subconsciously replaced a relationship with your friend and that’s more common than people think, it isn’t sexual, it can happen with children as well where a partner dies or leaves and a child (often the eldest but not always) becomes the surrogate spouse who the remaining parent will confide in and rely on for help. In your friends case though, she’s happy to use you but sees it as needy and sad and mocks it. It’s a horrible way to behave but you really do need to step back for everyone’s sake.

I would personally just say honestly to your neighbour that you think the texts the DD sent were inappropriate and you think it’s probably best not to communicate via this way going forward and block and mean it. She is your neighbour and you want to keep things amicable but being nice, smiley and polite but cool.

It’s really easy to trot out ‘oh get a hobby!’ but actually this is what I did. I got really into creative writing following my ‘year from hell’ and while I was never going to be the next JK Rowling or anything it gave me a focus and an interest outside of other peoples lives, or rather meant that I could take an interest in fictitious characters which is harmless! So thanks to research for writing I did I ended up reading up on a variety of social and historical references which was really interesting. Anyway that might not be for you but I think if you find something that is it would help.

The above all seems a very long time ago now. I met my now-husband a couple of years later, had DS in 2020 and DD a few months ago and the lonely woman in physical and mental pain seems light years away to the mum and wife I am now (although my injury does still play up and I do get down as I’m human) but life can and does change very rapidly. Self awareness is key here though and none of what I’m posting is trying to upset, but honestly, really, don’t pursue this friendship.

I agree with this. There is a fine line to tread between being intricately involved in other people’s lives and being there if needed, perhaps stepping forward for a sticky period, then fading into the background.

My dd’s friends are 15 and I do text them independently, sometimes. They also text me, sometimes. Usually just a sorry you are feeling poorly or happy birthday etc. I would never discuss adult things with them such as an adult relationship.

I have had more communication with one. Her mum asked me to talk to her about something a while back. She was the obvious choice to give me the low down when dd was recently dumped by a boy, who’d been love bombing her when dd wasn’t talking and I was worried… and I discovered has done the same with lots of other girls.

These girls are year 11, going to be 16 soon and a world away from 12. I have also sometimes given advice when her friends are round my house. Dd otoh (I found out yesterday) talked to another mum about the boy and is / was reportedly devastated even if she’s pretending there’s nothing to say.

I think you do need to back away a little from the girl and be more in the background. She may be happy herself your date didn’t work out because you’ll continue to be available to her.

GilberMarkham · 29/10/2023 06:32

Yes I think I'll raise it but in person

I actually would not. No way.

Someone who's capable of being so bitchy and unkind so someone who's helped her so much; will not react well/decently to being called out.

She may even start a subtle campaign against you to other people. People like her have to be in the right, they tend to do counteractive/preemptive character assassination.

You slowly, gently, gradually disengage/withdraw..... Give them nothing to think they've been caught out on, give them nothing to say.

Wheredidyougonow · 29/10/2023 06:44

She sounds like a spiteful and awful 'little lass'. Really nasty to be texting you like that. Why are you engaging her? I would distance myself from them. Her mother is clearly mocking you behind your back. And they use uou for babysitting. Don't be a mug and let a little 12yo twit speak to you like that.

fuckssaaaaake · 29/10/2023 06:48

NotSuchASmugMarried · 28/10/2023 22:41

Just stop messaging the kid. You shouldn't have started really, it's kind of a safeguarding issue and doesn't sit comfortably with me.

Hahaha AS IF! I message my 12 year old goddaughter, my best friends daughter. How sad it is that you wrote that

LimePi · 29/10/2023 06:50

What have I just read??
why is a CHILD asking you questions about your personal life and why are you responding?? You should at least say that is not something a grown up would discuss with her and that she shouldn’t be asking grown up’s about their dating life
if mum nosied around your house and now laughed at you I would confront her and maybe cut her off

RantyAnty · 29/10/2023 06:50

Sounds like trash.

fuckssaaaaake · 29/10/2023 06:53

MinnieL · 28/10/2023 23:47

Okay that’s great. I don’t get why a 12 year old is messaging you about something you spoke about with her mum? Why is a 12 year old messaging you anyway and why are you posting a screenshot of the conversation on here? I’m genuinely confused about this whole post

Bless you. Need some help from the rest of us who understand perfectly? It's not always easy to understand things but you'll get there

fuckssaaaaake · 29/10/2023 06:55

capabilityfrowns · 29/10/2023 00:45

She isn't stupid though . I just thought be honest . She already knew after overhearing the conversation.

But I probably should have said none of your business. In hindsight .

Your response was fine

Bluetrue · 29/10/2023 07:01

You describe this girl as a 'little stirrer' ...she's 'special needs'

I don't think you should be around this child, she is a child after all and you seem to be acting like one.

Kittenkitty · 29/10/2023 07:03

Different perspective here - I don’t think it was inappropriate to answer her question, she’s 12, whatever additional needs she has she will be experiencing hormone changes and be aware of relationships. You weren’t using her as a counsellor or confidant you were answering a question as briefly and factually as possible.

as for the laughing - could be true, could be a lie. The truth is probably more nuanced. I laugh about lots of awful things. Doesn’t mean I don’t think they’re awful. They might have been speaking quite sympathetically and then someone made a relatively harmless joke. The idea of people laughing at us is unpleasant but they might have made the same joke if you’d been there and you could have had a laugh. It’s very hard to know whether it was acceptable or not without the actual words.

Kittenkitty · 29/10/2023 07:04

I actually think the messy house comment is worse - that was clearly just gossip and judgment

OldBilge · 29/10/2023 07:08

Invisiboo · 28/10/2023 23:20

Mumsnet just gets worse and worse for people jumping on any point they can to tear someone down when it's really not necessary...

OP, if I were you I would try to raise it in a non-confrontational way with her mum, maybe saying something like- DD sent me a message saying that you had been laughing to your dad about me being ghosted, I'm sure that's not the way you said it but I'm wondering if maybe it might be best not to discuss relationship stuff around her just in case she reads into things or takes it the wrong way.

This is the way to handle it.

Wildflower86 · 29/10/2023 07:12

I think I would question the friendship....sounds like u do lots for her. What does she do for you? If u really like her and feel that you have a good friendship with mutual favours I would make a comment in a jokey kinda of way "oh thanks for telling ur dad etc" to see what she says chances are she will know u know as she would most likely check her daughers phone. Hopefully she will feel a bit awkward and realise.

Canisaysomething · 29/10/2023 07:17

It doesn’t sound like she is mature enough to have a phone if she thinks it’s appropriate to be messaging you stuff like that. I would take a huge step back and ask yourself what are YOU getting from this friendship with this girl and her mum.

Brexile · 29/10/2023 07:33

Some of the sanctimonious replies on here! The OP hasn't done anything wrong, other than put up with a pair of unpleasant users for too long.

Epidote · 29/10/2023 07:34

First he didn't ghosted you. He told you that distance would make a bad impact and he rather not to get more invested. Which is totally fair and polite.

Second she seems to thrive in others people unsuccess. I would stop discussing anything with her for a start. I would stop involving daughters in the discussion as well. You will see how quick the friendship reveals to see one sided, your side.

She is neither a good friend or a good person. I would have a laugh with you about it with a glass of wine to get some relief to your disappointment but certainly not telling others making fun of it.

Climbingthehillfast · 29/10/2023 07:38

Jeez, what a load of weird responses!

do you think she would be your friend if you didn’t do any babysitting? I think the Mum probably said it, could be a bit jealous and repeated it. Given that she’s been noseing around your house and probably doing other stuff. I think you need to review these relationships

MidnightOnceMore · 29/10/2023 07:43

capabilityfrowns · 28/10/2023 22:38

The little lass is 12 .

12, with special needs, and you're criticising the child this harshly online?

I think this thread is unfairly focused on the girl.

Either the mother is a good friend or she's not. Work that out.

And stop discussing dates with a 12yo via text.

Ffsnotaconference · 29/10/2023 07:47

I think the responses are a bit hit and miss or ‘weird’, because some posters are aware of the huge backstory of the Op, The backstory and history of her relationship with the friend and the child. Which isn’t healthy for any of them.

Summermeadowflowers · 29/10/2023 07:48

It is definitely not a healthy or normal relationship. Sorry, but it would be misleading to claim otherwise.

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