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Creepy uncle confused what to do

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Confused947 · 09/10/2023 14:08

Hey, so very sad and distressed by the below and apart from one friend, haven’t been able to discuss this in detail with anyone. I’m not sure what to do moving forward.

I have an uncle that I always thought was a nice person and respected, I never thought of him as creepy but we weren’t particularly close although he is close to a couple of my siblings and their children. I’m in my 40s.

A Couple of years ago my uncle was going through some grief and at a family gathering I spoke to him for about two minutes in an attempt to offer some comfort. My advice was spiritual and he was really angry as he hates anything spiritual. I felt so awful afterwards and reached out a couple of months later to offer an apology, and said that I understand that although it helped others involved, that it was not something he got any comfort from, that I clearly made it worse, and that I am sorry.

This is where it got weird. He responded saying as long as I keep my beliefs out of any interactions with him, all is good. Then he said he should delete my number as all he sends on messages is rude memes that I probably wouldn’t approve of. I said that why doesn’t he just keep my number and not send me that stuff. He proceeded to send me stuff daily, some was funny, some was just not what an uncle sends to a niece and I ignored those ones. Then the conversations took a turn, from general chats about family and current affairs where I thought I was actually building a bond with my uncle, he started to make suggestive inappropriate remarks about my attractiveness, a connection between us, and whether what I believe spiritually allows for things between us. He said things like that I probably need sex, I’ve been single a long time and what do I do to “sort myself out. I felt obviously very sick and like I’d entered some kind of other reality. His jibes went on until eventually I told him it is disgusting and that it’s like he’s my dad and why would he even say this stuff to me. He said well thanks you’ve made it clear now that you don’t feel the same, and I needed you to make that clear. Because he’s my uncle I didn’t delete and block and hoped to just get rid of it out of my head, so he sent memes and current affairs and family stuff and I would respond, but he kept coming back to that so eventually I just stopped replying to anything he said. First time seeing his the other day, and he looked so ashamed, so I was warm towards him and sent a message to at evening saying I know he was grieving so I hold nothing against him, and he’s still my uncle. He said he wasn’t embarrassed but thought I might be and all he said still stands!!! I said, I wasn’t embarrassed, I was embarrassed for you. So then I said to him, I’m very concerned now about the other women and girls in our family, and I used to massively respect you. (I know he texts some of my young nieces) he backtracked saying he did all of this to make me angry “the way I made him angry with my spiritual stuff”

I really don’t want him anywhere near the girls in my family. I know I am a lot older than a child or teenager, but surely he should still see me that way as he’s my uncle and held me as a baby?

if I share this with any family members it will blow the whole family apart, I’m really very heartbroken. What would you do in this situation?

OP posts:
FrontEnd · 09/10/2023 21:31

You're overthinking this. You know this guy has no respect for basic boundaries when it comes to sex, even in a family context. You know he's texting "all the time" with a female minor relative. Forget the rest, it's irrelevant and tying you in knots. You need to screenshot or print all his messages if they're on (eg) WhatsApp in case he deleted whet he sent to you. You then need to tell / show the mother and raise it as a safeguarding issue. That's it.

He's relying on you keeping a secret. He's making you a part of his secret. Get angry and get out of it.

Tortiemiaw · 09/10/2023 21:42

Stop wittering on about it and start safeguarding the women and girls in your family.

You've said what he did, you know it's wrong, and you probably know he will continue harassing and grooming other girls and women. For fucks sake tell them all. Basically.

Thelnebriati · 09/10/2023 21:49

(I know he texts some of my young nieces)

Stop worrying about damaging the family and take the phone to the police. Tell them he is also messaging girls in the family.

Dotty87 · 09/10/2023 21:54

I'd be willing to be that him being so close to your siblings with children, and not you (as you mentioned in your original post) is no accident. It's awful to contemplate, but seems likely he'll be grooming others, please tell your family what he's been doing. It's not on you, whatever happens he's brought it on himself.

Cherrysoup · 09/10/2023 23:19

You need to protect th3 youngsters in your family. He’s a predator.

Article · 10/10/2023 00:00

The bit where you’re wondering what to do because ‘he’s a trusted uncle?’ That’s because no one else has had the courage to out him yet, or, they’re too young. It’s not your fault, he groomed you like a frog in boiling water. But you do know now, and you also know he’s texting younger girls. So you have to do something.

GilberMarkham · 10/10/2023 11:48

I don’t believe his excuse remotely. I do believe he felt angry and upset, but nobody could say the things he said without being a very twisted and predatory person, I know and he knows also, that it is a bizarre and sick response to anger, and runs a lot deeper than that. Nobody could say those things to a family member and someone that clearly is repulsed by it, without being predatory. So it was a stupid excuse for him to give, as if that is why he’s said and done all that, it still makes him a sicko and a narcissist

As an outsider .... It's total BULL SHIT.

He just seized on the first excuse he could think of ...and one he thought would make you feel guilty/put you on the defensive.

No - in any way - normal man would come onto his niece to make her angry/offend her.... Because she offended him by offering a spiritual perspective on a bereavement. He would just say "I'm not spiritual, I don't appreciate it, I don't want to hear a out any spiritual stuff, sorry".
End of story.

He got caught out trying it on with you, his niece "you've been single for a long while, you must really want some sex" .... And you didn't react well/the way he hoped to his opportunistic, predatory (and sick) little suggestion so he starts grasping at excuses/a cover.

People need warned about him. Young women shouldnt be having contact with him without being warned.

Confused947 · 10/10/2023 16:28

Yes thanks, the excuse just makes it worse. Like I made him angrier than he’s ever been in his life and so that was some kind of natural and deserved result. My intention was not to make him angry but to offer comfort. I was sorry he was angry, but only someone stupid would believe what he’s said is a natural result of anger

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GilberMarkham · 10/10/2023 16:41

It's a load of bollocks.

If you'd made a normal person angry, they'd have told you so, told you they're not interested in that, not had contact with you etc etc.

He continued having contact ... And then essentially propositioned you.

Noone normal would ever do that .... A. Because it wouldn't occur to them, and b. because of how it would make them look if one word of it got out, which it should.

He may not have appreciated a spiritual perspective from you, but that is a separate matter and had nothing to do with why he propositioned you.

Anyone normal/without an agenda would just have told you they're not into that aspect of things and not to raise it again, or would have avoided you.

He's been caught out, his little testing exercise "is she up for it?" backfired/didn't work and he had to trump something up as a cover for his behaviour.

People need warned about him, he's sexually inappropriate and predatorial.

GilberMarkham · 10/10/2023 16:47

Oh and if the whole thing was really done bizarre revenge scenario (it's not but let's just go with it) for making him angry/offending him .... There are a million ways he could have made you angry/offended you back ..... Without being sexually inappropriate, essentially propositioning you. Noone normal does that to their niece. Noone normal would do that even to a non niece who'd made them angry.

It was sexual because that was his base intention/thinking/motivation.

Just tell the relevant people that he became deeply inappropriate during conversations and is now trying to cover it up with a very unlikely excuse. That you would be concerned about any female esp young females having contact with him.

GilberMarkham · 10/10/2023 16:48

*predatory, not predatorial wtf

Cola2023 · 10/10/2023 17:07

Screenshot the messages and share with family.

perfectcolourfound · 10/10/2023 17:15

Hi Op. I can see that you've decided you need to tell people about his behaviour, so I won't go on about that. (Yes I agree you should. Potentially spoling his relationships with family members is a lesser issue than him potentially grooming young people in the family).

But I wanted to pick up on your point about forgiveness.... IMO forgiveness is something you can choose to give when someone who's wronged you has a) realised the error of their ways, b) is truly sorry, c) gives a genuine apology and d) is determined never to repeat the mistake again.

If your uncle isn't sorry / doesn't accept he's done wrong / continues doing it, how does forgiving him help anyone? If I was the parent of the young niece he's regularly messaging, and I knew he'd sent inappropriate messages to another female family member, I wouldn't be in a forgiving mood.

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