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Creepy uncle confused what to do

88 replies

Confused947 · 09/10/2023 14:08

Hey, so very sad and distressed by the below and apart from one friend, haven’t been able to discuss this in detail with anyone. I’m not sure what to do moving forward.

I have an uncle that I always thought was a nice person and respected, I never thought of him as creepy but we weren’t particularly close although he is close to a couple of my siblings and their children. I’m in my 40s.

A Couple of years ago my uncle was going through some grief and at a family gathering I spoke to him for about two minutes in an attempt to offer some comfort. My advice was spiritual and he was really angry as he hates anything spiritual. I felt so awful afterwards and reached out a couple of months later to offer an apology, and said that I understand that although it helped others involved, that it was not something he got any comfort from, that I clearly made it worse, and that I am sorry.

This is where it got weird. He responded saying as long as I keep my beliefs out of any interactions with him, all is good. Then he said he should delete my number as all he sends on messages is rude memes that I probably wouldn’t approve of. I said that why doesn’t he just keep my number and not send me that stuff. He proceeded to send me stuff daily, some was funny, some was just not what an uncle sends to a niece and I ignored those ones. Then the conversations took a turn, from general chats about family and current affairs where I thought I was actually building a bond with my uncle, he started to make suggestive inappropriate remarks about my attractiveness, a connection between us, and whether what I believe spiritually allows for things between us. He said things like that I probably need sex, I’ve been single a long time and what do I do to “sort myself out. I felt obviously very sick and like I’d entered some kind of other reality. His jibes went on until eventually I told him it is disgusting and that it’s like he’s my dad and why would he even say this stuff to me. He said well thanks you’ve made it clear now that you don’t feel the same, and I needed you to make that clear. Because he’s my uncle I didn’t delete and block and hoped to just get rid of it out of my head, so he sent memes and current affairs and family stuff and I would respond, but he kept coming back to that so eventually I just stopped replying to anything he said. First time seeing his the other day, and he looked so ashamed, so I was warm towards him and sent a message to at evening saying I know he was grieving so I hold nothing against him, and he’s still my uncle. He said he wasn’t embarrassed but thought I might be and all he said still stands!!! I said, I wasn’t embarrassed, I was embarrassed for you. So then I said to him, I’m very concerned now about the other women and girls in our family, and I used to massively respect you. (I know he texts some of my young nieces) he backtracked saying he did all of this to make me angry “the way I made him angry with my spiritual stuff”

I really don’t want him anywhere near the girls in my family. I know I am a lot older than a child or teenager, but surely he should still see me that way as he’s my uncle and held me as a baby?

if I share this with any family members it will blow the whole family apart, I’m really very heartbroken. What would you do in this situation?

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Tempnamechng · 09/10/2023 15:15

AlwaysGinPlease · 09/10/2023 14:39

This. This made my skin crawl. You keeping in touch with him is giving him the green light in his eyes.

Please don't say things like this. She hasn't given him the green light, she just doesn't know how to cope with a family member she should trust being predatory.
@Confused947 tell your neice and her mother. Show them the messages. If you need to keep this "between the women" then do so, but make sure all of the females in the family are aware.

Mmhmmn · 09/10/2023 15:22

Is he your mum's brother or your dad's? They should know about this.

tattygrl · 09/10/2023 15:32

Listen.

You are an adult in this family, in a position of care over young, vulnerable people, and you have information that if shared could save them from getting the same treatment you've had from your uncle.

You NEED to speak up. DON'T be part of a family cover up of abusive behaviour. We all know how those things end, and we all ask "why did no one say/do anything?".

tolerable · 09/10/2023 15:37

print and copy the messages. Hand a hard copy to your bros\sisters .
You ABSOLUTELY have to share this info.
HIS behaviour is so utterly controlling.
Even if .........he was just tryna make you angry cos of your spirtuality.(bullshit)
.................... it will blow the whole family apart.
ITS ALL being put on your head.
That is not accidental. he is and has been Emotionally manipulating and tormenting you, totally breaching boundaries(which if he was a genuine,nice,respectable loving uncle WOULD NEVER even be an issue,cos you woodni needy raise them).
He will continue to do this to you (and anyone else )until and unless he is stopped.
If ...blow fam apart was THAT big a deal -for him, he wouldnt be doing it. being a bit awkaward/recoiling in utter horror has absolutely zero impact on him. He does what he likes and you carry the weight of it.
NO you cannot do deal with the devil to leave nieces alone!

(for the sake of the family) This is not a one off,possibly misconstrued remark.its a continued pattern of behaviour. They are your family so -let the circle protect you.

SallyWD · 09/10/2023 15:49

There has been a lot of back and forth communication between the two of you. I think after he sent the first disgusting messages I would have told him what I thought and stopped communicating. It sounds like you weren't particularly close before but have only recently started with all the messages.
He might like the attention (even when you're telling him how upsetting it is). I'd just stop engaging altogether. And it's a good idea to tell others what he's been up to.

Ivebeentogeorgia · 09/10/2023 15:53

OP your uncle is a creep. You know this and you know he is texting your minor niece and still you’re not sure whether to say anything?! Come on!!! You need to tell your nieces parents today! Like now!! Get them away from that grooming creep- you need to protect them. To hell with the fallout

Someoneonlyyouknow · 09/10/2023 15:55

He pushed boundaries with you until you pushed back. Regardless of your age he 'groomed' you, gradually escalating his behaviour. You will definitely not be the only person he has done this to, he took advantage of your forgiving nature and your desire not to upset the family. Have a word with some of the other females in your family, particularly any who seem less friendly with him - I'd be willing to bet some of them have got at least an inkling of him but he's relying on everyone saying "Oh that's just old Uncle John being a bit weird/lonely/ not understanding" Abusers thrive on (and in) secrecy

Dillane · 09/10/2023 15:56

Tell your family and show them the evidence. Frankly I would
also seek advice from the Police.

Agnorant · 09/10/2023 15:59

Aylestone · 09/10/2023 14:58

I can see how that will go. You'll tell him not to text your niece. He’ll promise and do it anyway because he’s a fucking deviant. It’ll eventually come out that your uncle groomed your niece (or worse). It may or may not come out that you knew about him all along and could have prevented it, but you’ll have to live with the fact that you did nothing.

Exactly this. I’d be furious with you and even doubt you weren’t in on it if I was a family member. F**ing irresponsible not to say anything. You’re an adult not a child, take your responsibility.

Zola1 · 09/10/2023 16:04

Confused947 · 09/10/2023 14:30

What if I told him to never text my nieces again? One he sends stuff to all the time and she’s not even a teenager yet. What if I tell him that if he ever texts her again I will tell my family

What if he just tells her to keep better secrets? What if he's already inappropriate and you're covering it up?
How would you know if he texts her or he doesn't? How do you know he won't tell her delete our messages your aunt is being a crank and wants to have a go at me?

FictionalCharacter · 09/10/2023 16:13

“I believe in forgiveness”
Come on @Confused947 . Listen to everyone here. This isn’t a matter for forgiveness. If it turned out one day that he was grooming or abusing your niece, how would you feel about facing the family and saying “I believe in forgiveness”?

What this man has been doing is 100% wrong. Forgive him later if you want, but AFTER you’ve stopped him doing this to you and other women and girls. And after he confesses.

ErinAndTonic · 09/10/2023 16:19

Ianz · 09/10/2023 14:13

I think you should definitely let the family members aware of what's happening as I doubt he is sending that kind of stuff only to you !

This! Rather blow the family apart than let him groom/be inappropriate with other family members. It's disgusting and the others may not be as wise to it as you and able to see what a dirty old man he is.

Quitelikeit · 09/10/2023 16:20

Oh god this is very disturbing. You have a moral obligation to share this information with your family.

ErinAndTonic · 09/10/2023 16:23

How will you feel if you find out months/years from now that he groomed and/or sexually abused one of your nieces, and you had the power to prevent that from happening, yet you chose not to?

Come on, be the adult here.

Turmerictolly · 09/10/2023 16:27

Don't be ashamed @Confused947. He has no right to put you in this position and I feel sorry this has happened to you, it must be horrible. You are not to blame. You must share this information, particularly now you know your nieces are receiving texts too. There are organisations out there that can help guide you through this.

maddiemookins16mum · 09/10/2023 16:33

Stop communicating with him, and especially ‘forgiving’ and being ‘warm’ to him. This is ridiculous.

sixswans · 09/10/2023 16:36

From a safeguarding view point you need to inform the parents of any minors in the family that he has contact with.

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:37

Send all these messages to your father and mother and let family justice take its course

cherrypeachparfait · 09/10/2023 16:38

You really have to share this stuff with your family. It’s your responsibility.

cherrypeachparfait · 09/10/2023 16:38

Block him. Without a question.

DNLove · 09/10/2023 16:45

There is a high chance that he has abused or is abusing someone in your family. Do you want to this to come out in years when one of your nieces breaks down and opens up about it. How will you feel when you had a chance to warn everyone.
You have an onus on you to make sure everyone else is safe particularly as you know he is already engaging heavily with your nieces. Some could say grooming.

Alltheyearround · 09/10/2023 16:46

You need to expose him and his nasty secrets. AS many have said above, this is the tip of the iceberg and he will go onto more physical abuse if this is kept hidden and he gets away with it. Maybe already is. I have been that kid.

Please take action to make the family aware, he should not be alone with any children/teens.

DNLove · 09/10/2023 16:48

The more I read this the more I think OP is trolling. I find it hard to understand how anyone needs to ask what to do in this situation.

ErinAndTonic · 09/10/2023 16:49

DNLove · 09/10/2023 16:48

The more I read this the more I think OP is trolling. I find it hard to understand how anyone needs to ask what to do in this situation.

I'm wondering this too.

StaunchMomma · 09/10/2023 16:50

God, it's so depressing that women are conditioned to keep quiet about such dreadful behaviour in order to 'not rock the boat'.

I think you have to consider the facts here, rather than the emotion, and fact is that if he can overstep boundaries with you, he can overstep boundaries with others.

At the very least, you need to show the messages to the parents of the younger family members he's messaging. Imagine how you'll feel, and look, if it comes out that he has been inappropriate with them and you've known what he's like and not said anything!

By keeping his dirty secrets you are protecting him when you should be protecting your other loved ones from the dirty bastard!