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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD: support thread 9

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Daftasabroom · 24/09/2023 09:21

New thread.

This thread is for those of us seeking to understand the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.

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New thread. This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of mixed NT/ND partnerships. It is a support thread, and a safe space...

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OP posts:
YesThis · 01/01/2024 20:07

stealtheatingtunnocks · 31/12/2023 12:47

If your son has symptoms of concussion or a broken wrist he has to be seen by a medic before you take him in a plane.

Has to. No ifs or buts or maybes.

I agree. You need to get your son seen by a medic. He's clearly not right after that fall, is he?

BlueTick · 02/01/2024 00:32

We are home now. DS is recovering physically but I think the scars go deeper sadly than just his poor wee face. He has said he never wants to ski again.

I wish daily I’d married someone else.

On the way home a normal man chatted to me about our trip just when we were getting on the plane.

DH ignored him of course. But we talked for about 10 mins all about skiing. He was my age and with his family too. I wondered what it must be like to be married to him instead. Someone who can just chit chat about anything and everything. Polite, funny, normal. I rue the day I thought I could compromise with DH.

SpecialMangeTout · 02/01/2024 09:18

@BlueTick happy to see you are safely back home.
Is your ds still complaining about his wrist? Im thinking that he might still need to be checked over really.

BlueTick · 02/01/2024 09:50

He’s fine but thank you. All seems to be healing well. It’s very kind of you 🥰🥰 so relieved it’s nothing more serious.

SpecialMangeTout · 02/01/2024 20:44

That must be such a relief, both fir you and for him!
I hope he’ll heal fast now. Hopefully before he is back at school.

I hope you are coping ok too.

nl55 · 03/01/2024 19:35

Happy new year everyone. It was comforting to see all the Christmas stories & making me feel a little less alone. This was our first Christmas separated. Morning was good with my daughters & STBX, but still strange because he still bought no gifts and hovered the entire time barely saying a word.
The insults and nasty texts began the next day 😕 makes me glad I got out, but his behavior has only escalated to worse than when I endured it being married. Trying to stay strong for my girls and not let it get to me too much but makes me wonder is this the ASD or is it truly narcissism.
Thx for listening and being here. I know I sound like a broken record, but this group has been a life saver for me.

BlueTick · 04/01/2024 09:47

@nl55 that sounds very hard. I hope you’re ok? Are you still living together? Hope you can get away soon 🤞

Well done for calling a halt. I wish I’d done this years ago. As you say it will be worth it for your girls. Will they still have to see him once you’re divorced? That’s my biggest fear.

Our holiday has been a disaster, even though we are home now. DH told DD to fuck off last night at dinner because she didn’t agree with him about something and said he was disappointed in how the kids had turned out and that he blamed me. Kids were there in front of him!!!

I think you’re very wise to get away. No one wants to put up with this. It’s abuse. I don’t know what’s got into him. He’s never been this bad before.

He made a very perfunctory apology to DD last night. Extremely brief. I can’t understand how a grown man can lose his temper so quickly and suddenly just because someone doesn’t agree with you. We were discussing artificial intelligence. Hardly something to lose your cool over.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 04/01/2024 12:02

I dip in and out of these threads as no longer with my DP (thanks, in part, to posters on here who told me to get out). What confuses me is why I'm still so angry about everything! Chiefly the fact that ASD had never ever crossed his (or his parents, apparently) minds, even though he didn't date until he was over 40, had no friends, no social life and many of his behaviours were so rigid they were unhealthy. He presented as being NT and, until I raised some issues, said that being on the spectrum had never even been mentioned. When he did an online test, his results were off the charts.

We've been separated for three years now. But I can't lose this sheer anger at...I dunno, almost being duped, if that makes sense. He was a very lovely man, who appeared at first to be perfect, it was only when he stopped masking (which he didn't even know he was doing) that some of the more problematic behaviours came out. If he'd known from the start - and therefore I had also known - then we may have been able to work around it. But just not even to be suspected! When it was, quite frankly, bloody obvious after the first few weeks.

nl55 · 04/01/2024 16:19

Thank you @BlueTick I'm sorry that your holiday was shit- It must be so difficult being stuck. I am still in the process of custody and my youngest is now 16 so she has a say. Right now she has chosen to stay with him. Where there are n rules, no boundaries, and she can come and go as she pleases. Each day I am trying to take the high road & demonstrate calm in the hopes that she will come around. I am the one that upended their lives by asking for the separation and now I pay the price- that article about women pay twice when leaving an asd partner is ringing scarily true. It has actually been worse since I left since I am no longer in his control @Vroomfondleswaistcoat The anger is a tough one, if you ever need to chat, feel free to DM. It takes time to overcome this, but with work and introspection the anger can be released and it opens a whole new world of blessings and opportunity.

Mumofboys15 · 04/01/2024 18:08

That’s what I need to hear. That there is a new world of blessings and opportunity ❤️

BlueTick · 04/01/2024 22:14

@Vroomfondleswaistcoat no one likes to feel duped. Perhaps you are angry at yourself for not acting earlier?
I think we all empathise with that feeling. I know I do. I kick myself metaphysically as I wonder why I allowed my boundaries to be crossed when I was very very clear on them at the start.

The thing with this is that it’s well masked by them and I genuinely fell in love with the early DH. He was kind and lovely and thoughtful. So to live with this boundary busting monster today is a shock.

I know the exact time I should have left, about 7 months into the relationship. A boundary was crossed and I didn’t follow through. I allowed myself to be compromised.

I am not angry at DH or myself though. I was young and naive. I was tired too of looking for someone to love. I had bought into the idyllic notion that romantic love and a family was my calling and would save me.

We have all been duped somewhat by that.

It’s rare to find happily married people. One in two marriages fail and far less people marry now than ever. I wonder if we are looking for the impossible sometimes.

Forgive yourself. Forgive your DH. His parents too. Anger is pointless really, it is just frustration with the past which you cannot change.

For me, I hope I have learnt my lesson. I will not compromise my boundaries again in the future for anyone.

With regards to forgiveness, this workbook changed my outlook on how I felt about some things in life. It was powerful. It’s free. I stumbled upon it some years ago.

I hope it helps you

https://thepathofforgiveness.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Forgiveness%20Workbook.pdf

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 04/01/2024 22:50

@nl55 @BlueTick Thank you, both. You're right, I do feel angry at myself. I'm pretty well up on the signs of ASD (my eldest daughter is diagnosed), and, like you @BlueTick I overlooked early signs, when I should have walked away. If I'd had the courage of my convictions I could have saved myself a lot of heartache, so much of the anger is on me. Not so much at his parents, he (and I) were born in an era where ASD wasn't a 'thing' unless it was extreme, and they just put so much down to 'his funny little ways'. And he lacked sufficient 'theory of mind' to examine his own behaviour, so it wasn't even his fault. Falling for him, as he pretended to be, was my fault.

PictureFrameWindow · 05/01/2024 13:56

Thanks for all the thought provoking posts lately they really help.

I thought we had gone through Christmas quite successfully but a new year trip to the in laws seems to have a hangover now and DH is in distress. Or perhaps a return to work?

I'm sad to admit a bad case of compassion fatigue where I cognitively understand and care that he is sad but struggle to muster supportive words and behaviour and find myself avoiding such situations which I also feel guilty about.

I identified Christmas as a particularly difficult point way before diagnosis but didn't understand it. I just don't think we can do certain things as a family. The pay-back is increasingly intense and unavoidable. This creates a lot of stress since DH is sensitive to having limitations pointed out.

YesThis · 05/01/2024 14:31

Can I ask a question?

About relationship counselling with someone with ASD.

My H was diagnosed in his 50s. He has very low empathy, shows very little understanding of how his behaviour impacts on others, has a strong belief that he is always right, and has poor emotional regulation. Despite him desperately wanting our relationship to work, he thinks this will happen if I am just nicer and happier. He sees no connection between his behaviour and how I have come to feel about him. This is mainly because he does not think there is anything wrong with his behaviour and, IMO, his need to be right will not allow him to consider this.

As repeated counsellors told me I should try marriage guidance as it could not make things worse ( I had avoided this as I thought it would), and because a psychologist I trusted recommended someone to me. The person he recommended did not specialise in autism but reassured me this did not matter as the approaches did not rely on understanding this. And it was a disaster. Utter disaster. The counsellor had no idea what she was dealing with. It was extraordinarily painful for me to have to listen to how nothing I had said to my H over then years had penetrated and he is exactly where he was ten years ago in his thinking. I completely lost it in the session and would never go back again. I was very, very distressed for weeks after the session.

Does anyone think it would be worth trying again with a relationship counsellor who does specialise in autism? I am sceptical as my H clearly has the opinion that he is not the problem in our relationship.. Am I wasting my time pursuing counselling when he goes in with this mindset?

Also, the psychologist, who has worked with narcissists and people with autism, says some of H's traits I have described are those of a narcissist, not someone with autism.

organictomatoes · 05/01/2024 15:01

YesThis · 05/01/2024 14:31

Can I ask a question?

About relationship counselling with someone with ASD.

My H was diagnosed in his 50s. He has very low empathy, shows very little understanding of how his behaviour impacts on others, has a strong belief that he is always right, and has poor emotional regulation. Despite him desperately wanting our relationship to work, he thinks this will happen if I am just nicer and happier. He sees no connection between his behaviour and how I have come to feel about him. This is mainly because he does not think there is anything wrong with his behaviour and, IMO, his need to be right will not allow him to consider this.

As repeated counsellors told me I should try marriage guidance as it could not make things worse ( I had avoided this as I thought it would), and because a psychologist I trusted recommended someone to me. The person he recommended did not specialise in autism but reassured me this did not matter as the approaches did not rely on understanding this. And it was a disaster. Utter disaster. The counsellor had no idea what she was dealing with. It was extraordinarily painful for me to have to listen to how nothing I had said to my H over then years had penetrated and he is exactly where he was ten years ago in his thinking. I completely lost it in the session and would never go back again. I was very, very distressed for weeks after the session.

Does anyone think it would be worth trying again with a relationship counsellor who does specialise in autism? I am sceptical as my H clearly has the opinion that he is not the problem in our relationship.. Am I wasting my time pursuing counselling when he goes in with this mindset?

Also, the psychologist, who has worked with narcissists and people with autism, says some of H's traits I have described are those of a narcissist, not someone with autism.

I am very interested in replies to your query as my DP with ADHD and ASD keeps asking to do counselling(while not arranging it) but my own therapist tells me not to bother.

My therapist actually met us as a couple for an introductory session. It was such an awful experience, with DP misinterpreting everything I said and behaving very defensively, that she said she wouldn't be able to continue with us a a couple but would like to see me individually. She chose not to speak to him at all, just came back to me with this feedback.

When I try to apply lessons from my own therapy to conversations with DP, such as saying 'I' statements in kind tones and asking in positive language for something that would 'really make me happy' it is viewed by DP as a criticism because I am implying that he did not do something right before. It feels impossible to get past this.

I'm still with him because this is not all he is. He can be really fun and bouncy and kind and generous. I see his conditions as causing his less appealing behaviours.

But I must say my patience is wearing thin.

longpathtohappiness · 05/01/2024 16:01

My DH is not diagnosed but shows all the signs. (DD has been diagnosed with ASD and I read there is a genetic link) - he has a total lack of empathy. Wish i could turn back the clock some days, sigh. Hard work living with him

EarthSight · 05/01/2024 19:31

@Daftasabroom What you said about ASD & ADHD - I don't think it's a case of opposites attract to be precise, although that could be the case of course. I think it's mostly likely a more passive case of one person's characteristics somehow fitting-in with another person's, at least for a while, or maybe relating to the other person's 'otherness'.

Daftasabroom · 05/01/2024 19:35

EarthSight · 05/01/2024 19:31

@Daftasabroom What you said about ASD & ADHD - I don't think it's a case of opposites attract to be precise, although that could be the case of course. I think it's mostly likely a more passive case of one person's characteristics somehow fitting-in with another person's, at least for a while, or maybe relating to the other person's 'otherness'.

Hmmm, I don't have any answers I'm afraid. If only!

OP posts:
longpathtohappiness · 05/01/2024 20:56

Boxing Day with my DH was awful. Our DS and I took our dog for a walk.... DS let dog off the lead at the park and dog rolled in a bit of mud. I knew DH would be angry, so I was trying to get the mud off using water from a puddle and some long grass!! DS was like Dad will take care of it. I was thinking Dad will go up the wall. DH did get angry and I took the flack, it was awful. All over a bit of mud... I'm like that's what dogs do, roll in mud

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YesThis · 06/01/2024 13:22

@longpathtohappiness

I think you are fortunate you don’t have children.

This makes it so much easier for you to leave.

And from your post it is clear to me you need to.

Your only reasons for staying seem to be guilt ( you are not responsible for his happiness, and certainly not to the extent of destroying your own) and financial. But without kids it will be so much easier to support yourself again.

I would not stay in your situation, no way. Counselling can’t fix this.

Forgoodnesssakemeagain · 06/01/2024 21:46

This happened to me. I am never going back to the counselling we had! I lost it and left before the end of the session and so I am sure I look like I was bonkers but I was so frustrated!
so many issues were not being addressed- for example my dh always says he has no time for xyz and it makes me look demanding. However i have tried to discuss the issue of his problem with time planning which often causes problems. I tried to say there were bigger issues at play but was never listened to. I think the final straw was me saying that at home when I bring something up he then deflects by talking about me and something I have done. Instead of talking about this deflection issue somehow he managed to get the counsellor to talk about something I had done! I was like look he’s doing it now! We were not talking about this and he’s taking us off track…
but I looked crazy..
yes I would be interested if any type of counselling can help!

Hopingforholidayhelp · 06/01/2024 22:24

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IceLollipop · 06/01/2024 23:14

Hello

Another longtime lurker here saying hello. @supersparrow your post really stood out to me. I’ve been signed off work with burnout. A part is a very stressful and demanding job and dealing with my DM dying after being ill; however, home life has massively contributed. I’m sure my DH has ASD (and probably ADHD). He has no emotional intelligence, quite happily sit for hours on his own, gets into sulks (often over utterly random things (although has taken years for me to work out what these are)).

With my DM he thought he was being brilliant by saying, “you go see her, I”ll look after the kids”. Not once did he offer to come to the hospital or even ask what did I need.

Home life is fine when I’m calm and managing everything (and taking on all the mental load), but if I struggle/get a bit stressed he either gets grumpy (and then often defensive and nasty) or just ignores me and does lots of “I don’t know what to say” (and in fairness I genuinely think he has no idea). We have a ND child who my DH just does not get and so they are highly dependent on me.

He is also terrible with money and I have to check his bank account every month as he’s massed huge debts before and secret credit cards. He goes through obsessions (last few years as been games on phones and buying credits to get items/next levels).

I’m just utterly burnout by doing it all, and yet within 36 hours of being signed off my DH was complaining how stressful and difficult it was for him and how my actions were impacting the whole family. I shouldn’t be surprised he’s always been terrible when I’ve been ill.

I want to leave but, I am the much high earner and do rely on him being around if I need to be away overnight for work (we have a Nanny till bedtime), my ND child is in private school (couldn’t cope with size of state school primary and I couldn’t afford to pay for this as well as bills if DH moved out and was only paying child maintenance. We would probably have to sell as I would struggle to buy him out (he would get a much bigger proportion of the equity to rehouse as his earnings are 1/3 of min).

Part of my burnout has been caused by working harder to go for promotion to get more money so I could afford to do all this.

I also worry about the children having to spend every other weekend with him and me not being around. Today he made my eldest cry becuase they couldn’t find their watch, “apparently they treated the watch like dirt”. It was in the car - charging. The eldest is such a good child it was just so unnecessary.

My DH would also be upset if I filed for divorce and I’m sure he would be adamant he wouldn’t want to be separated from the kids (again I’m sure that is actually true, although if you asked him to explain why would say something generic like, “I’d love them and miss them”).

When he’s in good form he can be a good fun Dad. He’s quite good at playing the clown - I think it’s a form of masking.

I would be interested to hear from any posters who have left. I wonder if my DH might in fact be better if he only had to deal with the kids say EOW and say one night in the week, so he could decompress in between.

On the counselling point, we’ve tried twice. One was a man who was basically told me, “he’s always been like this he’s never going to change”, which is probably true but then the suggestion for counselling was effectively for me to change to manage it (so the status quo). The other counsellor we had a couple of sessions. My DH can say the right things so lots of, “I need to step up”, “I know I’ve not been there enough and I need to do more”, but then on being questioned and probed got grumpy and defensive and refused to go back. The problem ultimately was he didn’t want to be there.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 07/01/2024 07:52

I remember being very cross with Sara Hendrickx when she said the only answer for marriages like ours was for the NT partner to accept the limitations of their spouse and accommodate them, @IceLollipop. It felt unfair, like my expectation that DH would participate in his marriage was unreasonable and it was my job to facilitate his life so he could manage to keep his vows of love/honour/cherish.

she wa right. I was naive and DH actively concealed how little emotional connection he feels. Thoigh, to him, he feels the right amount and the problem is me. Counselling was a disaster and I need to accept that he wants to appear normal with a wife/family but have none of the inconvenience we bring or disruption to his routine.

@longpathtohappiness you say nothing of what Your marriage brings you in the way of happiness, only of losses. Sort your finances out, if you cannot work in your new country then you’ll have to come home. You are not a pet. I have ficked up my finances, but I have been at home with kids and life complications. You need your own money. Sara Hendrickx was right, and I wish I’d listened to her.

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