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What would you think if your husband acted this way?

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Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 05:56

I was diagnosed with cancer last year, in my early thirties. It was a huge shock and awful for everyone.

I'm through the worst of it now and mulling over some of the things my husband said and did during my treatments.

Got annoyed at having to take me to one of the testing appointments before I started chemo because he thought I could start taking myself to some appointments. My diagnosis was still pretty new and I was terrified. I got quite upset and he backtracked and said he hadn't realised it was such a needle heavy appointment (it required multiple blood tests over a period of time and i have quite a severe needle phobia). Was fine during the appointment itself.

Snapped at me on the phone and acted like I was an inconvenience when I asked him to bring me some clean clothes when I was in hospital with sepsis. Also didn't visit me every day. Was looking after our youngest child and still working, but only 10 hours a week. But was also doing loads of decorating as we'd started a renovation just before I was diagnosed. But... He was decorating the bathroom, which wasn't urgent. The ceiling paint had been flaking and he decided to get it done while he was doing everything else. So he was annoyed at me because he was busy doing something I think should have been a lower priority than me.

Got annoyed at having to take me for another biopsy because he thought I could have driven myself. Did take me, but there was an atmosphere and he didn't really talk to me. I was very scared of the second biopsy and it was quite a long procedure and painful. I ended up crying in the waiting room because I felt so unloved and like a burden but he didn't notice. When we got home, he had to immediately go out to pick up our son and I ended up doing some decorating because I couldn't handle the atmosphere that had been caused by inconveniencing him and delaying the decorating. He felt guilty and apologised when he got home and found me doing it and I told him I'd rather be in physical discomfort than live with the atmosphere he was causing and the knot in my stomach.

Drove like an idiot, too fast and erratic and close to other cars because he was annoyed at me about something I wanted to do before my chemo side effects got too bad. Sounds really silly, but I wanted to go to the shops and get some voiles for our bedroom. He didn't want them and said they would make the room dark, which I don't really understand. It's a south facing room. I kind of overruled him but I was spending a lot of time in the bedroom and felt like I had no privacy. He didn't talk to me all the way there and kept claiming that he wasn't driving erratically, that there was no atmosphere and that everything was fine. When we got to the shop, he stormed out of the car even though he knew I'd need to hold his arm to walk around. I was embarrassed and upset so I didn't even try to get out of the car and he phoned me asking what the fuck I was doing. Was then pissed off at me for wasting our time and more erratic driving home. He was very stressed with the decorating/kids/me and saw this as me creating another job for him, which I suppose it was, but I did point out that voiles are just put up on a kind of pressure pole so it's not something which requires lots of time or effort.

After chemo, he had to do things like getting up with the kids in the morning, which would usually be my job. He is a very hands on dad (and at that point was the person who did most of the childcare and housework as I worked full time and he was part time, so it wasn't exactly a huge departure from his usual responsibilities) but just not great in the mornings, whereas I am a morning person who is happy to get up. He was grumpy because he had to get up with our son and I said his name to ask for a glass of water and he loudly and angrily said "what??" as though I'd been harassing him for things. It put me off asking him for anything else even though I was suffering. But he did bring me the water and food etc.

After surgery, we hadn't made firm plans on who would pick me up because I didn't know what time I would be leaving and I was trying to minimise upheaval for the kids. I texted and told him my dad would pick me up, but then my dad told me he thought he had COVID. I called my husband to ask if he could fetch me and he was quite snappy and irritable on the phone because it meant his plans were changing at the last minute and he'd have to bring our son, but agreed to do it. The nurse then said it would be best if we knew when he was around town minutes away so that the porters could time getting me to the door, because my son wouldn't be allowed in the ward. I had to call him again to relay this and I knew he would be annoyed that I was 'harassing' him. He angrily answered the phone saying "what??" because I'd called him again while he was trying to sort out son's tea. I felt so uncomfortable and tense all the way home.

When I came out of the hospital with sepsis, it was nearly Christmas. He'd been very busy and we had no decorations up. I wanted to try to keep things nice for the kids so I asked him to get the tree down from the loft, which he did. But he wouldn't help me put it up or decorate it. I was really struggling and trying not to show it to the kids so I just said "this would go a lot more quickly if you'd help" and he said "I'm sure it would" and didn't move, so I had to do it alone. He has since said that he was exhausted from looking after us all/working/decorating the house and didn't want to do another job. I think his hands and knees were specifically sore from everything he'd been doing. But at that point I didn't know if my treatment would work and honestly thought it could be my last Christmas with the kids. He's always a bit funny about Christmas so I shouldn't have been surprised - finds it all stressful and the decorations are clutter and mess.

Obviously this is all from my point of view but he has acknowledged these things and doesn't disagree with my version of events. He has apologised and did apologise at the time, but kept doing it. I spent a lot of my time in bed feeling like I was dying but worrying about him, his moods etc and feeling so tense and uncomfortable. Things are ok now but I'm ok so I would expect that. I'm now able to help look after the kids and household. I don't know what would happen if my cancer comes back.

OP posts:
AgnesX · 07/08/2023 17:17

Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 17:12

I wouldn't say I've been protecting him. More writing it off as a one off because of stress every time. He's sometimes a bit snappy and impatient with our youngest but nothing that really worries me. He's never behaved in a physically aggressive way since that incident.

I've just shown him what I wrote on here because I am awful at hiding my true feelings. The kids are away this week and for some reason that's made me dwell on all of this. He knows that I've been a bit quiet and off the last few days and was asking what was wrong. He thought I was just missing the kids but I didn't want to lie. I know he has been trying to change his behaviour lately and he said he feels that he has. And in some ways, he has, but I don't know if I would feel that I could 100% rely on him if my cancer came back. I told him last week that I was struggling with my moods (I'm also going through menopause which I think is adding to my feelings) and he's been really nice, I told him that I feel like he never tries to emotionally connect with me and he's booked us a few nights away in a hotel. I've ruined that now by saying all of this to him just before we're supposed to go. I feel awful. I feel like I've kicked a puppy tbh, he was in such a good mood and so happy that we had some time together and now I've ruined it and upset him.

Missed your last update. That just highlights my post. Rather than take anything on board with any degree of self awareness he's being a prize prick again.

Aussiedreamtrip · 07/08/2023 17:18

Wow OP. Did you show him the whole thread or just your initial post?

It must be quite hard for him to take in (some people have been pretty brutal on here, though I don't think unreasonably so) so I'm not surprised he's not in a good mood.

I guess the question is, is he upset that he's treated you so badly that he is only now realising how upset you are? Or is he upset that you've criticised him?

billy1966 · 07/08/2023 17:29

YOU have ruined NOTHING.

Your awful nasty abusive excuse for a man has created this situation.

No decent real man would behave like this.

As @Pinkbonbon has written, most decent people would help someone they didn't care for, not to mind a partner, mother of your children.

He has relentlessly abused you.

I actually think his denial of water and food whilst you were so weaken by chemo is criminal and I would be reporting it if it was happening to a friend.

He is the utter scum of the earth and that is why you have had the responses you have had on this thread.

I hope some day he experiences EXACTLY how he treated you when you were ill and how he has behaved to you when you were pregnant.

If you had told your medical team of his treatment of you, I bet they would have felt obligated to report him to the police for the most serious of domestic abuse.

But even they would be shocked at the treatment you have borne at his hands.

Should you ever need treatment again, please tell them how seriously abusive your husband was.

billy1966 · 07/08/2023 17:31

You need to show this thread to family and friends so they can protect you and report him if necessary for serious domestic abuse.

Abusing a woman going through cancer is a whole new level of scum.

Pinkbonbon · 07/08/2023 17:45

Probably not wise to show your abuser that you're telling other people about their abuse.

Op he KNOWS his behaviour is awful. He just doesn't want you to know he knows.

Because you're meant to spend every second 'just trying to find the right words to make him.understand why his (obviously hurtful) behaviour is hurtful...because then surely he would cate and change'. There are no right words.

Because he knows he is in the wrong.

He wants you too busy trying to probe yourself to him. He'll use this opportunity now to make you feel disloyal. So this week it'll be 'Prove your loyalty' time. But it can also be - prove your innocence/love/purity/honesty ect... whatever merry go round keeps you looking inwards.

And just as there are no right words to explain why his behaviour is hurtful, there are none that will absolve you of whatever he wants you to explain yourself for this time.

You are in an abusive relationship.
You cannot change you to fix him.
He knows he us hurting you. He knows he is being shit. He just doesn't want you to know.

Let that sink in
.
Then run. Run fast and far and never look back.

AuberginesOrEggplants · 07/08/2023 17:50

I do not think showing this thread to F&F would be a good idea. You can never fully trust people, and if he got wind of it it could backfire badly.

Your husband treats you like an appliance: everything is fine as long as it/you perform as he expects, but woe if you malfunction...

@Secondhandemotion , I would urge to get counseling FOR YOURSELF ONLY, to try and process everything you have experienced with your husband. Do not try to engage in joint therapy - he'd only twist everything and turn it against you, making you the weak link in the marriage.

And you need to really listen to your inner voice. You are spending your life walking on eggshells, always anticipated his 'stress' and trying to head off any unpleasantness. This is so unhealthy and it is taking its toll on you.

This is no way to live!! Your gut is screaming at you to get out and save yourself.

BLT24 · 07/08/2023 17:56

He needs therapy for anger management. You should not have to tolerate this behaviour under any circumstances. I’m sorry this happened to you.

5128gap · 07/08/2023 17:57

He has a fear and distaste of illness. Some of his behaviour was rooted in denial, some rooted in fury that this thing had happened. He tried to harangue you into not showing any signs of illness so he didn't have to face his fear. He made you the victim of his anger.
I don't know how you can get past it because it would take a super human level of forgiveness and understanding on your part, that he doesn't really deserve. Many of us feel the same way about illness to an extent, but control ourselves and put the ill person first. He was weak and selfish and cowardly. I think these flaws are very serious and I don't think I could continue with someone who had them.

FictionalCharacter · 07/08/2023 18:18

I've ruined that now by saying all of this to him just before we're supposed to go. I feel awful. I feel like I've kicked a puppy tbh, he was in such a good mood and so happy
So you tolerate him doing all these awful, awful things to you, including aggression, neglect when you were seriously ill, and physically hurting you, but you feel like you’ve hurt an innocent creature when you pull him up on some of it?
Please don’t value yourself so little.

BackAgainstWall · 07/08/2023 18:22

He lacked the milk of human kindness.

I don’t think there’s ever an excuse for such appalling behaviour, and even more so as this was such an awful and frightening time for you.

FrillyGoatFluff · 07/08/2023 18:46

You're husband is a prick, nothing more to it.

Even if he was scared, he needed to put his big boy pants on, get a grip and not behave like a total wanker.

Sorry you were treated like this OP. It's awful. But you've got through the worst, whatever you choose to do now will be a damn sight less scary that what you've already beaten x

HotPringles · 07/08/2023 19:10

I feel like I've kicked a puppy tbh, he was in such a good mood and so happy that we had some time together and now I've ruined it and upset him.

Errr… no
He is not innocent and what you’ve told him should not come as a surprised to him. Fir the simple reason that you’ve told him before.
You haven’t ruined anything. He has by his behaviour over the years, and in particular when you were ill.

And tbh, if you hadn’t said anything, you would have enjoyed the days away anyway (or you would have had to fake it. Not much better imo)

The thing is, i suspect that you showed him what you wrote in the hope it will change things. That he will get better at caring, caring about you.
I dont think he will. Not after that many years behaving like this.

And btw, the fact he might be ND, very stressed or whatever does NOT matter.
The bleak reality is that you now know you can’t rely on him, even in the most desperate moments. Regardless if the reason, you are allowed to step back, refuse to carry in living with someone you don’t trust. (And create a new better life for yourself).
It w ill happen again because that’s how life is. Moments of crap times intercepted by good ones. And when those hard times come, you’ll be 8b your own again.

Hibiscrubbed · 07/08/2023 19:56

He’s a fucking monster. The more you write, the worse it is.

Kicking a puppy? No. You haven’t done that. He’s a cruel, narcissistic manipulator.

Endoftheroad12345 · 07/08/2023 20:13

My God @Secondhandemotion reading your posts was like reading about my ex husband. The walking ahead, the shittiness about childcare, assuming the worst of everything (especially of me).

My world grew smaller and smaller because everything needed to be managed around the impact to his moods - couldn’t move house, renovate, have a third baby because he would be too stressed.

But not only major things - couldn’t have a birthday party for the kids at home in case it rained and we had kids trapped inside - too stressful. Couldn’t have people over really at all - too stressful. Couldn’t do anything with both kids beyond taking them to a local park - too stressful.

I remember when we were young backpacking around Asia and I burnt my calf on the hot exhaust of a motorbike - consequently I was limping and he’d make me go for big walks and then storm off when I couldn’t keep up. He would always do that. We once had an argument about directions in London and he stormed off and left me alone at midnight in Kilburn. It wasn’t exactly the safest area at that time and we’d been married about 5 months. I remember going away for a beach holiday when our first DC was 3 months. I just wanted to chill and had plantar fasciitis in my feet so could barely walk. Again, he kept forcing me out for walks and then striding off. I’ve since learned that the walking off thing is a typical NPD trait - designed to show you you’re inferior.

Ironically after all this horrible treatment over years one of the final straws for me was in October last year when we had a hotel stay for my birthday (organised by me 3 weeks after my actual birthday because he never did anything for me) and we were going down to breakfast and he kept walking ahead - out the hotel door, out of the lift etc, leaving me following him like a stray cat. I just looked around at other couples walking together, holding hands, at this lovely hotel which was meant to be a treat and thought what the fuck sort of relationship is this. I ended the marriage a month later and haven’t looked back.

MammaTo · 07/08/2023 21:07

OP this is 100% abuse, it’s absolutely awful what he’s done to you mentally - he’s got you wrapped around his little finger where you’re feeling bad for telling him all the appalling things he’s done to you.

At first I thought he might of been scared to lose you but reading all your posts makes me realise he’s just a bully!

Please contact your mum and dad and see if you can stay with them while you leave this man. The kids will get over it, it’s going to do more harm to them to watch him batter you down then grow up in a divorced family.

You NEED to show a friend or family member this post so they can see what hea
done to you and shake some sense into you, but I fear he’s got his claws in too much.

SunSeeking · 07/08/2023 21:42

There's only so many 'one-off's" you can take before you see it's a pattern of behaviour. If it happens more than once it's not a one-off anymore is it?

OP, you said it yourself: he's now like this to your son. This will get worse. You, by refusing to protect yourself Will by proxy fail to protect your DC, and they will suffer like you do.

You have spent so many years making excuses for him and blaming yourself (a typical response, as if you blame yourself you can do something about it, right?).

With as much gentleness as I can say this... you need to research narcissism. They aren't horrible all the time until you set boundaries. You have no boundaries but you leap to the best of his drum for fear of upsetting him.

You need to wake up. Seriously, get some psychotherapy to be able to find your strength here. You deserve so much more, as do your DC.

SeamsLegit · 07/08/2023 22:07

You have ruined nothing. He is a bully with all the compassion of a carrot. Ugh, I would not be able to forgive his callousness, ever. And you walk in eggshells, huge red banner 😭

Whataretalkingabout · 11/08/2023 16:35

Bump

perfectcolourfound · 11/08/2023 18:24

Don't feel guilty. You haven't said anything that isn't true. You have simply listed various ways your husband- the person who's meant to love and care for you most in the world - has mistreated and abused you.

If he doesn't like reading it, how does he think it feels to be you, on the receiving end of it?

The only person who should feel bad is him. If he manages to turn this around on you now and sulk, then it's just him continuing his abuse.

I could have cried reading about you doing an obstacle course heavily pregnant. That is disgusting and I'm so shocked.

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