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What would you think if your husband acted this way?

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Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 05:56

I was diagnosed with cancer last year, in my early thirties. It was a huge shock and awful for everyone.

I'm through the worst of it now and mulling over some of the things my husband said and did during my treatments.

Got annoyed at having to take me to one of the testing appointments before I started chemo because he thought I could start taking myself to some appointments. My diagnosis was still pretty new and I was terrified. I got quite upset and he backtracked and said he hadn't realised it was such a needle heavy appointment (it required multiple blood tests over a period of time and i have quite a severe needle phobia). Was fine during the appointment itself.

Snapped at me on the phone and acted like I was an inconvenience when I asked him to bring me some clean clothes when I was in hospital with sepsis. Also didn't visit me every day. Was looking after our youngest child and still working, but only 10 hours a week. But was also doing loads of decorating as we'd started a renovation just before I was diagnosed. But... He was decorating the bathroom, which wasn't urgent. The ceiling paint had been flaking and he decided to get it done while he was doing everything else. So he was annoyed at me because he was busy doing something I think should have been a lower priority than me.

Got annoyed at having to take me for another biopsy because he thought I could have driven myself. Did take me, but there was an atmosphere and he didn't really talk to me. I was very scared of the second biopsy and it was quite a long procedure and painful. I ended up crying in the waiting room because I felt so unloved and like a burden but he didn't notice. When we got home, he had to immediately go out to pick up our son and I ended up doing some decorating because I couldn't handle the atmosphere that had been caused by inconveniencing him and delaying the decorating. He felt guilty and apologised when he got home and found me doing it and I told him I'd rather be in physical discomfort than live with the atmosphere he was causing and the knot in my stomach.

Drove like an idiot, too fast and erratic and close to other cars because he was annoyed at me about something I wanted to do before my chemo side effects got too bad. Sounds really silly, but I wanted to go to the shops and get some voiles for our bedroom. He didn't want them and said they would make the room dark, which I don't really understand. It's a south facing room. I kind of overruled him but I was spending a lot of time in the bedroom and felt like I had no privacy. He didn't talk to me all the way there and kept claiming that he wasn't driving erratically, that there was no atmosphere and that everything was fine. When we got to the shop, he stormed out of the car even though he knew I'd need to hold his arm to walk around. I was embarrassed and upset so I didn't even try to get out of the car and he phoned me asking what the fuck I was doing. Was then pissed off at me for wasting our time and more erratic driving home. He was very stressed with the decorating/kids/me and saw this as me creating another job for him, which I suppose it was, but I did point out that voiles are just put up on a kind of pressure pole so it's not something which requires lots of time or effort.

After chemo, he had to do things like getting up with the kids in the morning, which would usually be my job. He is a very hands on dad (and at that point was the person who did most of the childcare and housework as I worked full time and he was part time, so it wasn't exactly a huge departure from his usual responsibilities) but just not great in the mornings, whereas I am a morning person who is happy to get up. He was grumpy because he had to get up with our son and I said his name to ask for a glass of water and he loudly and angrily said "what??" as though I'd been harassing him for things. It put me off asking him for anything else even though I was suffering. But he did bring me the water and food etc.

After surgery, we hadn't made firm plans on who would pick me up because I didn't know what time I would be leaving and I was trying to minimise upheaval for the kids. I texted and told him my dad would pick me up, but then my dad told me he thought he had COVID. I called my husband to ask if he could fetch me and he was quite snappy and irritable on the phone because it meant his plans were changing at the last minute and he'd have to bring our son, but agreed to do it. The nurse then said it would be best if we knew when he was around town minutes away so that the porters could time getting me to the door, because my son wouldn't be allowed in the ward. I had to call him again to relay this and I knew he would be annoyed that I was 'harassing' him. He angrily answered the phone saying "what??" because I'd called him again while he was trying to sort out son's tea. I felt so uncomfortable and tense all the way home.

When I came out of the hospital with sepsis, it was nearly Christmas. He'd been very busy and we had no decorations up. I wanted to try to keep things nice for the kids so I asked him to get the tree down from the loft, which he did. But he wouldn't help me put it up or decorate it. I was really struggling and trying not to show it to the kids so I just said "this would go a lot more quickly if you'd help" and he said "I'm sure it would" and didn't move, so I had to do it alone. He has since said that he was exhausted from looking after us all/working/decorating the house and didn't want to do another job. I think his hands and knees were specifically sore from everything he'd been doing. But at that point I didn't know if my treatment would work and honestly thought it could be my last Christmas with the kids. He's always a bit funny about Christmas so I shouldn't have been surprised - finds it all stressful and the decorations are clutter and mess.

Obviously this is all from my point of view but he has acknowledged these things and doesn't disagree with my version of events. He has apologised and did apologise at the time, but kept doing it. I spent a lot of my time in bed feeling like I was dying but worrying about him, his moods etc and feeling so tense and uncomfortable. Things are ok now but I'm ok so I would expect that. I'm now able to help look after the kids and household. I don't know what would happen if my cancer comes back.

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Kookookachooo · 07/08/2023 13:57

I don’t know how anyone can treat someone they love like this! I definitely would struggle to keep loving someone who treated me like that when I was at my most vulnerable.
I hope you know that you deserve way more than this.

QueenBitch666 · 07/08/2023 14:08

In true Mumsnet style
LTB
He's not a nice man

QueenBitch666 · 07/08/2023 14:09
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Serenity45 · 07/08/2023 14:15

Lots of this seems familiar OP, I think you may have posted about some situations / husband's behaviour before. I'm so sorry for your health problems and the worry I imagine you're going through. I can see that, for some people, their partner being very seriously ill can cause all sorts of difficult emotions and perhaps result in not great behaviour sometimes.

BUT

This has been going on for a long time. From what you describe, since well before your cancer diagnosis. Honestly? I think he sounds awful and abusive. A nasty, selfish prick. I don't care what redeeming features he has, he has treated you with such utter contempt and disregard on so many different occasions I actually feel so upset on your behalf.

That's what I think.

I'm very lucky that my DH is loving and caring, but I have experienced relationships with themes very similar to what you're describing. I didn't have kids with any of them thank the fucking Lord, but it still took me a long time to stop rationalising poor behaviour, making excuses / glossing over things. My friends chose their words carefully too and I know full well they despised two of my exes (with very good reason).

I hope you're able to take care of yourself and perhaps start to think about what you want for yours and your children's lives in the longer term. Sending you positive thoughts and a massive hug because you sound lovely.

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 07/08/2023 14:16

He is not a nice man.

ErickBroch · 07/08/2023 14:33

I think he is really abusive. Your last post describing your holiday sums up the years I was with an abusive partner. He always made out that I had insidious or negative intentions and I was this secretly cruel and mean person. Nobody in my life has ever described me that way, but he made out that I was just a truly bad person. When I left him it was the biggest relief of my life.

Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 15:18

He doesn't always behave this way and i don't think he really does think negatively of me. He hasn't really done that so much lately but I guess things haven't gone back to normal yet.

Yes, I have posted about some of these things before under different usernames and I get bogged down in detail every time. I hoped that a more brief summary of his behaviour during my treatment might help clarify things and get a better idea of how other people view this behaviour.

He grabbed my wrist years ago and I was very upset about it but didn't know if I was overreacting. He'd called my child an idiot over nothing in particular. Not to him, to me, just over some usual kid messiness I think. I can't quite remember. I was shocked and tried to ask what he thought he was playing at and talk to him. He was ignoring me and I didn't know if he could hear me, so I tried to turn the radio down to make him listen and he grabbed my wrist really hard and wouldn't let go. I was shocked and just kept saying "you're hurting me!" because I thought he must not realise. Apparently the radio was playing a new song that a band he likes had just released and he assumed that I was doing it on purpose to piss him off. I didn't even register what was on the radio, I was shocked that he'd spoken about my son that way and trying to talk to him. I told my mum about it but she didn't think it was that big a deal. But my parents both grew up in extremely abusive households and think that things getting physical every now and then isn't that bad. I would never 'get physical'. I was as hurt by his assumption that I was secretly listening to the radio and picking a song to turn down to annoy him as I was about him hurting my wrist. It didn't bruise or anything, just red marks. But accusing me of trying to turn down the radio to get at him was so weird. Who thinks like that? Like I'm really sneaky and horrible with this secret plan to piss him off.

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Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 15:27

He's not like this all of the time, probably most of the time actually. I'd say the majority of the time I feel absolutely fine asking him for things and we're jokey and happy and playful. It's when he's 'stressed' but he gets stressed quite easily in my opinion. I am watching out for his mood and I pick up on things being wrong and have this tight feeling in my stomach. One of the things I was first attracted to in him was how 'nice' he was. And he often still is nice. I remember his friend telling me that I couldn't have got with a nicer bloke. But no, they haven't seen this side of him.

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autienotnaughti · 07/08/2023 15:32

He wasn't supportive and he resented the extra work and took that out on you. He may well have been struggling but you were the one who had a serious illness.

This would be unforgivable for me.

MumLass · 07/08/2023 15:42

Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 15:27

He's not like this all of the time, probably most of the time actually. I'd say the majority of the time I feel absolutely fine asking him for things and we're jokey and happy and playful. It's when he's 'stressed' but he gets stressed quite easily in my opinion. I am watching out for his mood and I pick up on things being wrong and have this tight feeling in my stomach. One of the things I was first attracted to in him was how 'nice' he was. And he often still is nice. I remember his friend telling me that I couldn't have got with a nicer bloke. But no, they haven't seen this side of him.

OP, I could cry when I read this as I have had that feeling too. The hyper-sensitivity to his mood and that awful feeling in your tummy when you feel like he is annoyed. My exHs behaviour ground me down to a shadow of my former self with little to no self confidence. I lived my life on edge and in a permanent state of anxiety around him. I ended things 6 months and am having counselling. He was abusive. It's not normal to treat people this way.

Aussiedreamtrip · 07/08/2023 15:47

@Secondhandemotion

He doesn't always behave this way and i don't think he really does think negatively of me

I absolutely understand where you are emotionally and mentally.

If a spouse is nice 90% of the time, it's easy to somehow believe you are unreasonable to focus on or even remember the 10% of times when they treat you like crap. They have an interest in encouraging you to feel unreasonable, of course.

It's particularly tricky if they acknowledge they behave less than perfectly, but blame it on stress. You end up feeling guilty for thinking negatively of them.

I'm working hard with my therapist to overcome the unhealthy habit of minimising crap treatment. It's really hard to do (but easy for me to type this to you) but I hope this thread gives you some support.

thatsnotmylifeitstoocrazy · 07/08/2023 15:50

What an absolute tool. Please leave him.

truthhurts23 · 07/08/2023 15:54

he is a narcisssist , even if he was stressed, why does that give him an excuse to be nasty to you?
i would never look at him the same and would lose all respect
do you even still like him ?

Amybelle88 · 07/08/2023 15:54

I think he sounds like an absolute wanker.

I had pancreatic cancer when I was 28 - we had two babies under two. It was very, very stressful and my husband did have his moments where the stress got on top, but it was never like this and ultimately, his concern was always making sure I was ok. He wouldn't dream of any of this behaviour and whilst I'm a realist because I've lived this and know how unbelievably difficult it is for everyone, not just the person who is poorly, the lack of empathy your husband has shown is horrible.

I'm so sorry you had to deal with this at a time when I know how truly terrified you must have felt x

Rec0veringAcademic · 07/08/2023 15:56

What a nasty, cruel, small-souled, creature. I am genuinely agog - you poor lady.

Please leave as soon as physically possible. Before any of your children model this awful, sociopathic behaviour. "Love and cherish, in sickness and in health".... is that not what people expect from a person who vowed to do just that?

Pinkbonbon · 07/08/2023 15:57

Marriage vows state 'in sickness and in health'. He isn't interested in looking out for you when you are sick. You become an inconvenience to him. That's not love. He never meant those vows.

Also I'm sure its being said but - narcissists react this way when you are sick. It's not normal empathetic behaviour to throw a strop because you have to consider your ill partners needs.

bonzaitree · 07/08/2023 16:10

christ get rid.

what an absolute waste of human skin.

Zerrin13 · 07/08/2023 16:19

What is the point in having a husband if he is only nice to you when you arnt an inconvenience to him in any way?
I've been on here for years and this is one of the saddest threads I've ever read.
You have been through a dreadful ordeal and he has shown you who he really is time and time again. This isn't love, this is contempt. Most people wouldn't treat an enemy that badly. What I've learnt in life is that it never pays to repeatedly put yourself last.

Fraaahnces · 07/08/2023 16:23

Just because he’s not abusive all the time doesn’t mean that he’s not abusive. You are making excuses for his behaviour like your parents did.

Floribundaflummery · 07/08/2023 16:28

What I would think of my DH if he acted like this is that he didn’t love me and only wanted me as an appendage to himself to make his life easier. It is appalling that when you needed him to care for you and you were at such a vulnerable point he completely failed to act unselfishly and make you feel loved and cared for. You now truly know what he thinks of you as your relationship has been tested and you surely deserve someone who will love you as an equal.

I have been very seriously ill and DH was utterly there for me every step of the way, visiting twice a day in hospital, keeping everything going at home, bringing me tiny bits of food, fielding phone calls and utterly kind and loving. I have helped him through cancer in the same way. Find yourself some kinder people to fill your life with OP. We are all worth this.

Pinkbonbon · 07/08/2023 16:38

Put it this way, if I had a flatmate that I didn't really like but they were suddenly going through things like cancer ect... I'd help them out with things. Because thats just what you do as a decent human being.

If they said 'hey I'm scared to go to my appointment alone, could you come?' I'd say 'of course! Don't worry about it' if they asked me to bring some of their clothes to the hospital, it'd be 'sure thing, write me a list of the clothes you want. do you need anything else?'.

That's for someone I don't even like who happens to be scared and suffering. Because I can. And because its the right thing to do.

Obviously I'd hope other people would step up for them too and wouldn't let them take the piss. But my point is, there's a basic level of human decency that's not hard to achieve towards our fellow man. Your 'partner' can't even meet thay standard for his own wife!

He sucks.

MrsMarzetti · 07/08/2023 16:54

I could have written your post. Please leave, he does not love you at all. As you know life can be very short, don't waste another precious day on a man that doesn't care.

billy1966 · 07/08/2023 16:55

Unsurprisingly he is aggressive, has been physically abusive and is nasty about your son.

What an utter shit show.

I would be absolutely terrified of him having sole custody of my children.

You have clearly been protecting him for years.

God help you and god help your children.

Secondhandemotion · 07/08/2023 17:12

I wouldn't say I've been protecting him. More writing it off as a one off because of stress every time. He's sometimes a bit snappy and impatient with our youngest but nothing that really worries me. He's never behaved in a physically aggressive way since that incident.

I've just shown him what I wrote on here because I am awful at hiding my true feelings. The kids are away this week and for some reason that's made me dwell on all of this. He knows that I've been a bit quiet and off the last few days and was asking what was wrong. He thought I was just missing the kids but I didn't want to lie. I know he has been trying to change his behaviour lately and he said he feels that he has. And in some ways, he has, but I don't know if I would feel that I could 100% rely on him if my cancer came back. I told him last week that I was struggling with my moods (I'm also going through menopause which I think is adding to my feelings) and he's been really nice, I told him that I feel like he never tries to emotionally connect with me and he's booked us a few nights away in a hotel. I've ruined that now by saying all of this to him just before we're supposed to go. I feel awful. I feel like I've kicked a puppy tbh, he was in such a good mood and so happy that we had some time together and now I've ruined it and upset him.

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AgnesX · 07/08/2023 17:15

I appreciate he was having a hard time but really? You were the one with cancer, he sounds like a class A prick.