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It turns out he DOES a friend; a female, goodlooking one at that

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Hehasasecretfriend · 27/06/2023 23:03

DP and I are together 7 dramatic years. I say dramatic as they universe threw a lot at us; bereavements (both), critical illness (me), repeated job loss and mental breakdown (him), familial turbulence (him), loss of identity post illness (me).

We really weren't established properly before all the drama started and really it's never been problem free. We were living together with a baby on the way very prematurely.

Despite that we are I thought both very committed. We have been in therapy and working hard. Our counselor always commends is on the work we do. She also always stresses to me that while she understands he has many struggles how much he absolutely loves me.

One major issue is he has no other functioning relationships; his family are all estranged and he never forms or maintains friendships. Of course that's all fine, we are all different except it feels like enormous pressure on us that he has nobody else to talk to or get another perspective.

Sex has never been great and has always been a source of angst as I had an adventurous and high drive when we met. He's selfish and despite all my efforts to mix things up, it never really improved. Then I got sick, my libido died, sex was very painful and became a source of huge stress. Our therapist suggested we take intercourse off the table entirely and instead try to develop genuine intimacy which she said was missing.

While he doesn't have a friend he could message for a drink or a chat, he always has lots of hobby people to meet up with which I actively encourage. He messages into group chat a bit but prefers to listen to podcasts. He never phones anyone for a chat or messages 1 on 1. I have opposite sex friendships which I make no secret of. I did notice recently he was getting quite irate if he wasn't getting to one of his hobbies enough. It set alarm bells off but quite mildly. As we are being very open in therapy I asked him if anyone was holding his interest. He said absolutely not.

It really felt like we are actually starting to get somewhere real in therapy.

Earlier today he went out but our child was playing with his phone. The app stopped working so I took it. WhatsApp was open. A female name I didn't know was at the top. I clicked and discovered messages over and back all year. He clearly meets up with her regularly. Their messages contain nothing explicit but definitely flirty. They remind me exactly of how he messaged me in our early dating days. There are messages at midnight and first thing in the morning. One morning they were meeting and I specifically remember how he pushed me away the night before after saying he had to get up early in the morning.

He came back from his walk and I said your WhatsApp was open. He immediately began saying he was sorry, it's just flirty talk, he knows he crossed a line but nothing physical happened.

This could be true but two of the messages look like innuendos that suggest something has. I don't know her though and if that's just how she talks.

He messaged her in front of me saying I saw the messages and was upset. She responded why straightaway then said sorry, English is not her first language and she has been in trouble before for upsetting people and will talk to me if necessary.

He keeps saying sorry, it was flirty banter and he loves me.

I keep thinking if nothing happens it seems stupid to make it more (it doesn't seem to have meant anything to her) but on the other hand we were already falling apart and what's the point of going to therapy and omitting information.

Thoughts?

OP posts:
Hawkins0001 · 27/06/2023 23:06

Certainly seems like he has a new passion.

Valour · 27/06/2023 23:09

I'd find it hard to get over this as he clearly knew he was doing something wrong, whether that was a big something or not. He lied to you about there being someone else, and I'd find it very difficult to trust someone who could so easily lie to my face.
I'm sorry OP. Hope you're bearing up.

lumpolead · 27/06/2023 23:15

It's hard when it's written in blank and white but your relationship doesn't sound great anyway. It sounds like you both have to put a huge amount of effort in and therapy. It's commendable but perhaps you are just not right for one another.

NutellaNut · 27/06/2023 23:16

He’s been messaging her all year, that’s far more than flirty banter. That would be a complete deal breaker for me. If he can lie so easily and deceive you so completely, why give him the benefit of the doubt and accept his narrative that nothing happened? He’s making a mug of you. What you do next is up to you, personally I’d kick him out.

Hehasasecretfriend · 27/06/2023 23:21

NutellaNut · 27/06/2023 23:16

He’s been messaging her all year, that’s far more than flirty banter. That would be a complete deal breaker for me. If he can lie so easily and deceive you so completely, why give him the benefit of the doubt and accept his narrative that nothing happened? He’s making a mug of you. What you do next is up to you, personally I’d kick him out.

I agree but because he doesn't usually message anyone. This is very out of character FOR HIM.

Possibly not her though. If she's a very outgoing friendly person (and my friend in the club says she is) this could be absolutely nothing, just yet another one of the men enjoying some flirty banter.

She's new to the country, has a husband in her home country and her kids here. Apparently she knows all about me and her kids are often playing nearby. But I have heard nothing about her.

He keeps saying to me he loves me and wants us to talk it out in the safety of a therapy session. My view really is why bother, you've been in therapy lying for months.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 27/06/2023 23:35

Do you really want this relationship? It just doesn't seem worth it to me.

determinedtomakethiswork · 27/06/2023 23:37

He has lied to you for a year. This is his only friend which is a worry in itself and he hasn't mentioned her at all. If you hadn't seen his phone you would've been none the wiser which is just what he wanted. I wouldn't trust him at all.

HundredMilesAnHour · 27/06/2023 23:41

Before you even mentioned the messages, reading your post it sounded like you've both put so much effort in but things still aren't working. Sometimes it's just not meant to be. I appreciate a child makes it more complicated but it doesn't sound like your relationship is worth all the effort. Is this really how you want to spend your life? You deserve some happiness. Happiness you don't have to work this hard to find.

Hehasasecretfriend · 27/06/2023 23:53

determinedtomakethiswork · 27/06/2023 23:37

He has lied to you for a year. This is his only friend which is a worry in itself and he hasn't mentioned her at all. If you hadn't seen his phone you would've been none the wiser which is just what he wanted. I wouldn't trust him at all.

This is exactly how I feel.

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Morewineplease10 · 28/06/2023 00:03

I found 'flirty messages'. He told me they were just that.

They weren't.

Kick his arse out. Agree with PPs, it shouldn't be this much work.

BitOutOfPractice · 28/06/2023 00:08

I was tired reading about your relationship and what hard work it is before I’d got to the messages bit OP. It sounds exhausting.

Teaslurpershutup · 28/06/2023 00:09

I wouldn't trust the person he's messaging either. I suspect he could either be paying for services or she's using him for cash. Same thing really. Sounds dodgy as.

Hehasasecretfriend · 28/06/2023 00:09

Her responses are making me feel even worse as she is reacting like she is entirely oblivious which means it's all been him - he straightaway said he crossed a line, meaningless flirty talk, it was wrong, he loves me etc.

Her responses were:
What? Why?

Oh no, this is my fault, maybe the language barrier. It is not the first time I have annoyed someone in this country. What can I do? Will I phone her, call to your house, I'm so sorry.

Which makes me feel stupid and pathetic as really why do I need to talk to her, she's incidental. He's the silly fool who took bored flirting seriously and deceived me.

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PimpMyFridge · 28/06/2023 00:12

If it's innocent why is she a secret?

I think I'd be starting to consider all the ways this relationship is taking so much energy to keep on the rails and wondering whether it might be kinder in the long run to build your lives separately. There seems to be a lot of obstacles to an easy free flowing partnership.
I can see why you've given it everything since it must have been hard to tease out what problems were 'you two' and the innate quality of your relationship given the two people that you are... and what problems were life's horrible curve balls creating difficulties, and with a child in the mix you'd want to really give it your best shot.

Ecclesfreckles · 28/06/2023 00:13

It really felt like we are actually starting to get somewhere real in therapy.

This summarises it really. Your entire relationship seems to have developed and evolved in your therapists office but there isn't anything happy or fulfilling in the real world. At some point you have to ask yourself if you're happy with this man, if he brings out the best in you, and more importantly how is this all affecting your child. He's a complete project! The friend is just a continuation of the same drama of all these years - I think you're just not well suited to each other.

I don't want this to be harsh but maybe him just loving you isn't enough. And all his love seems to cause you is pain. This friend is just a herring. If it isn't her, it'll be something else. Of course it's painful and a betrayal - he lied to you and taken trust away. If everything else was ok and it was a one off, maybe it could be worked out. But at this rate the only person benefiting from this relationship is your therapist. Maybe stop couples therapy and do it only for yourself? I genuinely think you'll be happier without him.

PimpMyFridge · 28/06/2023 00:14

Hmmmmm, very easy to dissemble when you not looking someone in the eye.
Her reactions could be genuine or not, I would put zero store in those and just focus on him and you.

Isthisexpected · 28/06/2023 00:14

He could be paying for sex and/or have agreed what to do in the event of being caught. You can't trust either of them I'm afraid.

Hehasasecretfriend · 28/06/2023 00:14

Teaslurpershutup · 28/06/2023 00:09

I wouldn't trust the person he's messaging either. I suspect he could either be paying for services or she's using him for cash. Same thing really. Sounds dodgy as.

Oh no it's nothing like that. The messages only had flirty undertones. It's because I know him, I can see he's keen to impress her.

She is quite likely someone who flirty automatically with men.
. It's hard to know if she actually likes him or just likes attention.

The messages remind me of our messages when we started dating. 💔 She lives here with her kids and plays sport in a local club. I am also officially in the club but haven't even been there in a year.

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MysteryBelle · 28/06/2023 00:24

He has been disloyal to you even if it’s only text messages which I doubt since you said he is irate if he doesn’t make it to his hobby and she is nearby and may be what the hobby is. Also she knows all about you. Creepy.

I think you should take the big bucks you normally hand over to the therapist and spend it on yourself and your future. What good has it really done, ultimately? He’s an ass and always will be. ‘Making progress’ (really? I wonder) in therapy and he tells you to talk over this latest thing in the ‘safety of a therapy session’ LOL he’s a smooth operator. So is your therapist. Kick them both to the curb.

As for the woman on the texts, if it wasn’t her it’d be somebody else. Your husband is weak. He can’t be trust nor relied upon. Kick it out the door.

MysteryBelle · 28/06/2023 00:24

trusted

DeeCeeCherry · 28/06/2023 00:26

It doesn't matter what she's like. This is just more drama in a drama-filled relationship. You're not compatible, although I commend you for trying so hard

MysteryBelle · 28/06/2023 00:29

Why are you clinging desperately to a dingy loser, Op? Take your standards out of the gutter and raise them at least a few inches. Put his belongings outside and change the locks.

altmember · 28/06/2023 02:41

I've no idea why people are suggesting he's paying for sex/she's a sex worker? That seems like a massive leap for a situation that sounds like a regular affair.

Messages early in the morning, late at night? That's not something normal friends do, certainly not regularly. Nevermind a man who doesn't have friends. At the very least it's an emotional affair.

However, I think it's probably more than that since a) it's been going on for a year, b) they meet in person regularly, and c) her husband is away in another country. All suggests full blown physical affair to me. Otherwise just an emotional one could be plausible.

I suspect she's just acting dumb and using the language barrier as an excuse. She couldn't possibly be thinking that sort of messaging with a man is just being friendly.

Regardless, your relationship sounds massively flawed and way harder work than it should be, sorry but it sounds properly broken, like you're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. He clearly doesn't want to call time on your relationship, she probably doesn't want to leave her husband. But they've both got motivation for fling style affair - her husband being far away and your partner being in such a tough relationship.

Missingmyusername · 28/06/2023 02:53

Innocent for her perhaps, but what about him?

Do you trust him? He’s saying you can.

If you were a man posting about your wife you’d be flamed for going through her phone AND letting her have a friend. Would I be happy? Hell no!!!! If I were in your shoes he either picks his friend or you- I’m not sure it’s something I could forgive.

Missingmyusername · 28/06/2023 02:54

*not letting her have a ‘friend’.

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