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“Fat chicks are easy” discussion at work

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Jennyven · 12/05/2023 17:54

So I work in male industry (IT) and today we were chatting about dating. I’m a bigger woman (size 18) and I’ve been trying to
lose weight but at the same time I don’t want to stop dating and don’t think I’m unattractive . However, my colleagues started chatting and they basically told me they would date bigger woman only if they want to have sex (in encouragement to lose weight - we are supporting each other and are very friendly). Apparently because they have lower self esteem and is easier to
play them. One of married colleagues basically said that if he would ever want to cheat only with big woman because they have lower standards and it would be easier keeping them quiet. I was upset, but also thought to myself that it’s probably partially true as I was the other woman few times (unwillingly and found out later and stopped immediately). I also have a tendency to get validation through sex. I also recently saw advert for bumble on Instagram of bigger lady and fit guy and thought to myself “wow they look happy”, but omg the comments from men were vile! Anyone’s thoughts? It really got me down today - so men really despite bigger women? I’m very athletic and just finished half marathon month ago, but I’m big

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SallyWD · 13/05/2023 07:34

This

Op it makes me feel sad that you weren’t able to challenge them! Obviously it’s never easy to do this when you are one person up against a group especially if you have low self esteem. The men you work with sound absolutely awful.

They sound like they were deliberately trying to wind you op. Or are lacking in self esteem themselves and are trying to big themselves up in front of their colleagues. Very immature; about fifth form level of debate I’d say!

Next time you can say “I am not comfortable with this conversation”. Or “would you like other men commenting on your mothers, sisters and wives in this way?” Or just get up and leave saying “luckily I have enough confidence to leave you to your lewd talk. Enjoy”

In order for people to personally hurt you, you have to trust the opinion of the person doing the insulting. Don’t give them that power. They are wrong!

Owing to experiences in your past, you have wrongly conflated two different unrelated things: being fat = being desperate.

As pps have pointed out, you can have very self confident larger women and very slim women who are lacking in self esteem.

What they are saying is nonsense! This is about individual self worth and you are just as good as any of these men, especially if you are working in tech and can run a half marathon!

Some positive things you can take away from this experience:

*you now know which men to avoid in your office,

  • you may find it helpful getting some support to work out why you tend to seek validation through sex and to help you focus on your character and achievements rather than your appearance.

Good luck op and give those vile men a roasting next time!

ImustLearn2Cook · 13/05/2023 09:11

“I was upset, but also thought to myself that it’s probably partially true as I was the other woman few times (unwillingly and found out later and stopped immediately). I also have a tendency to get validation through sex.“

@Jennyven If this is true then I feel really sad for you.

I have high self esteem but it has never been based on validation from others or from men wanting to have sex with me.

I have put on weight as I have gotten older and my self esteem is still the same.

Also, your colleagues’ discussion reveals a great deal of misogyny. Awful, awful men with a disgusting attitude towards women.

I hope you find better ways to build up your self esteem.

PolkadotZebrasAndStripyGiraffes · 13/05/2023 09:13

What an absolutely horrible thing to say to you, OP. 😡

piedbeauty · 13/05/2023 09:22

CountMushroom · 12/05/2023 17:58

Sorry, I can’t get past the fact that your male colleagues were, in front of you, having a lengthy discussion about fat women being ‘easy’ and grateful for sex, and that you view this as ‘friendly’ encouragement to lose weight!!! Seriously, OP, you’re worth more than this. Did you say anything???

This.

Bloody hell, op.

5128gap · 13/05/2023 09:43

OneFrenchEgg · 13/05/2023 07:25

As I said before I disagree it's an EA issue - they were talking about fat women, disgusting as the conversation was, not women generally and not about something woman are more likely to be. I don't see how being fat is a protected characteristic and I wouldn't be reporting a conversation I continued with, if I hadn't made attempts to stop it.
Mainly because reporting to HR invites all kinds of stress that I wouldn't want to face unless very clear cut.

Its absolutely a discrimination issue. Its not about FAT women its about fat WOMEN. If they'd have been inclusive of men in their derogatory remarks, making no difference between the sexes in their view of fat people you may be correct. Although it would still no doubt be a breech of the dignity at work policy so still a reportable conversation. Restricting their discrimination to a subset of women rather than including all women doesn't prevent it from being sex discrimination. I understand why women would feel intimidated about reporting it, but we should be aware of our rights just the same.

YouJustDoYou · 13/05/2023 09:45

God men can be vile.

EBearhug · 13/05/2023 10:05

I'm not shocked by it, I'm surprised that they let their guard down to that extent.

This, but in two of my IT workplaces, I've had male colleagues tell me "I'm one of them," so I think they stop seeing you as a proper woman. I pointed out this didn't excuse sexist behaviour.

I don't doubt there are men who think like that about women, but they're not the ones you want to date anyway. There are good men out there, even in IT. But losing weight should be for you and your health (though if you can run a marathon, I wouldn't be too worried about it.)

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5128gap · 13/05/2023 10:28

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Lol. You've never had a girlfriend have you?
(I think its the fact you think the only difference between men and women as sexual partners is their looks/personality that gives it away.)

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monsteramunch · 13/05/2023 10:51

Apparently because they have lower self esteem and is easier to play them.

So they openly admit to being predatory and manipulative to women they view as vulnerable. In front of you. I dread to think what they say when no women are listening.

I don't know how you can even look at such misogynistic pricks again let alone consider their behaviour to be friendly encouragement to lose weight.

5128gap · 13/05/2023 10:57

@User5939393 with all due respect, even if you weren't introverted and socially awkward, you would struggle to put it mildly, with that outlook.
Vanishingly few women would choose a man who saw them only in terms of their fertility (which is a time limited trait) their 'femininity' (which suggests you have certain restrictive stereotypical behaviours in mind for them) and had no interest in them as an intellectual or social companion.
Its extremely reductive and objectifying and not remotely attractive.

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monsteramunch · 13/05/2023 11:29

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Unfortinatly women are not turned on by men unless there is an emotional connection (or if he has lots of money)

Firstly, some women absolutely do have sex with men they really fancy but don't have an emotional connection with. Because they are physically turned on by them. Not all women but some.

Secondly, even if what you said was true would it be 'unfortunate' if women were only turned on by men they had an emotional connection with? You say you want to be with a woman you can have a family with etc. So why would it be a negative for you if women only wanted to be with men they emotionally connect with?

Thirdly, your attitude and language are more of an issue than you realise. You speak of 'getting' a woman as if we are not whole, equal people. Your objective should be to meet someone who you can have a happy, healthy relationship with. Not to 'get' a woman as if you're snapping up property or completing an arbitrary task.

RhubarbandCustardYummyYummy · 13/05/2023 11:56

@monsteramunch don’t waste your time honestly - a big important MAN won’t be won over by the opinions of a little woman. Fortunately most women will be reading the misogynist vibes a mile off.

monsteramunch · 13/05/2023 11:58

You're right @RhubarbandCustardYummyYummy I know.

Men like that behave in a way that is so counter productive. They don't seem to realise that women would be much more likely to shag then if they weren't racing misogynists. Seems pretty simple yet they are unable to grasp it.

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That hypothetical women would have a lucky escape tbh.

As a just said to another poster, women would be much more likely to want to shag you if you didn't speak like a raving misogynist.

We tend not to be attracted to those.

hookiewookie29 · 13/05/2023 12:06

Wow! What vile little tears they are! I'm sure their wives would be so proud of them...
I take it they're all God's gift and absolutely perfect in every way so that any woman would want to fall into bed with them.....

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MrsSkylerWhite · 13/05/2023 12:21

Fat chicks? Have I woken up in 1976?

agree with everyone else. Report to HR.

monsteramunch · 13/05/2023 12:29

@User5939393

To be honest It deep down pisses me off and makes me angry that I cant get sex or when I see men with good looking women, on top of that most women are bisexual or would give thier man a MFF threesome so your just competing with women and couples for women as well.

I'm not sure how you think being an angry incel is going to improve your chances of meeting a woman who wants to shag you let alone have a relationship with you.

Stop saying 'get sex' or 'get a woman' as if we are objects to be acquired and not whole, equal people. Do you believe men and women are equal?

I'm bisexual. Sorry my innate sexuality offends you 😂 'most' women wouldn't have a MFF threesome. That's bollocks. I'm bi and I wouldn't, because I am monogamous. The fact you think 'most' women have threesomes is evidence you're reading too much on incel forums.

And the fact you describe a threesome as something a women 'gives her man' shows you think sex is something men do to women and women give to men.

Spoiler alert, good sex is something both parties enjoy equally. It's not a currency.

And as for what's wrong with paying for sex, there's literally no way for a man to know for sure if the woman he's paying for sex is genuinely happy doing it or if she is (statistically more likely) abused, coerced, trafficked etc. If a man is happy to take that chance, he doesn't care about facilitating rape and abuse. I can't imagine shagging someone if I thought there was a possibility they were a victim of abuse, correction, trafficking or rape. If you can, there's something very wrong.

monsteramunch · 13/05/2023 12:30

@User5939393

Thats why I think its just easier to save money, keep working my bollocks off and then in my 30s using money to get myself a younger woman, mail order brides exist so I dont even need to chase women as I can just buy one. There is too much competition for women especially the ones I want (Slim/petite, childless but want kids and are not asexual or some bisexual vegan communist lol)

Incels who speak about women the way you do make us feel physically sick.

HTH.

KCIII · 13/05/2023 13:32

Reported.