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One Night Stand/Emotional Affair

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 10:02

Until recently, my marriage was the thing in my life (apart from my children) that I was most proud of. Married almost 20 yrs to someone I love and trusted implicitly.
we have suffered a huge amount of stress in recent years, and especially in the past year. Most of it, if not all of it, financial.
it’s been tough. Still is. Our sex life has been non existent as I just am too stressed, exhausted and perimenopausal to want it.
Recently my normally loving husband has not been so loving. He has been downright mean at times. I don’t know what made me ask, but last Thursday I saw him on his phone again, and told him, ‘show me your phone.’ He refused and got angry.
He told me he had been slagging me off in his WhatsApp friends group and it was vile.
we were at my parents house and had our son with us so had to drive home silently and angrily. Later that night I asked him again- he point blank refused to show me.
we slept in separate rooms. At 5am I crept into the room he was sleeping in and grabbed his phone.
he woke up and a tussle ensued. I got the phone but couldn’t open it.
At this point our son was up for school and witnessed this argument. Eventually I got the passcode but he had deleted everything on his phone. Photos the lot. I saw one message at 4am to an unknown number. It said I love you.
I made him take our son to school, and I waited.
on his return I asked him to explain.
Lie after lie tumbled out, in order to try and minimise it.
Eventuwlly, I dragged the truth out of him.
He had gone on a work trip 2 months ago and got blind drunk. He had met some woman in the pub and ended up going back to his room with her and had sex.
He says he had had 7 pints before the meal and several whiskies after and was absolutely blind drunk. He didn’t remember anything much except that something has happened.
After a day or so, he got a LinkedIn request from the woman. Now, he knew her name. She had had to do some detective work to find him on linked in based on geographical location and company name.
He refused the request. Then a few days later he contacted her via LinkedIn and asked her what had happened. She filled him in with the details.
He told her he was married and had been drunk and it shouldn’t have happened.
She then started ‘checking in’ with him. ‘Hi, are you ok?’ Etc etc. She suggested moving to WhatsApp and swapping numbers. Then she asked him, ‘what are you into’ and the conversations became sexual. Over the past two months she said that it wasn’t going anywhere so they should stop messaging. He says it was then he started to tell her he was going to leave me, he loved her etc, because he enjoyed rhe messaging. It was an ego boost etc etc.
I rang the woman. I suspected he had coached her on what to say. She said it was a drunken dalliance, nothing more.
I told her to stop contacting him. She agreed.
He blocked her number.
Later that night, I took his phone and unblocked her number. Within 15 minutes. She messaged him. Are you ok?
I pretended to be him.
Youve been online half an hour and didn’t message me? Why? She asked.
’She rang me- I said what we agreed’
I replied- my son is distraught and wife is devastated- it’s been hard here today.
she replied, ‘It’s been awful for me too- because of HER! (Me)
At that point, she got suspicious. I rang her and told her again- stop.
He says he contacted her and told her I would likely call her and to please not say anything that might hurt me more.
So he was STILL lying and attempting to minimise that very morning.
He had arranged to meet her again in the next few weeks at a works do, but told me he had no intention of doing so- he was stringing her along to keep the messages going.
He has been remorseful and upset and our children said they would never forgive him. Our parents and my best friend know and all said that of everybody in the world, he was the least likely to cheat and they cannot believe it.
He has quit his job as I said I would never trust him again on work trips.
we spent four days agreeing to salvage our marriage. He said he absolutely didn’t want this other person who he could barely remember. He is sorry blah blah blah. He has booked counselling. My parents think he has had some sort of breakdown.
We spent four days having sex and trying to carry on as normal. But this made me feel like he is being rewarded in some way for his behaviour. I love him very much but he has totally shattered my heart, my trust, my entire world. We are now back in separate rooms and I just don’t know how to carry on. Any advice really gratefully received.

OP posts:
MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 13:02

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 13:01

He says that the woman wasn’t actually interested in sex texting- that was him. She wanted him to say romantic things to her, and he just wanted sex texts. He says he was manipulating her too, and lying to her to get what he wanted which was sex talk.

Gross.

Greycloudlooming · 05/05/2023 13:06

God, he sounds worse every time you reply.

MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 13:07

Greycloudlooming · 05/05/2023 13:06

God, he sounds worse every time you reply.

Makes perfect sense why you'd want to stay married to this catch eh?

Greycloudlooming · 05/05/2023 13:08

MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 13:07

Makes perfect sense why you'd want to stay married to this catch eh?

Yes. An irresistible cheating, manipulating liar. What a dream boat.

Doggymummar · 05/05/2023 13:08

Sorry you are completely deluded and being a mug. It's all him, the ow Takes no blame in this scenario. It takes two and he is number one in this. Throw him out divorce and move on. Have some dignify FFS what a terrible example you are setting you children.

phishfoodforlife · 05/05/2023 13:13

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 13:01

He says that the woman wasn’t actually interested in sex texting- that was him. She wanted him to say romantic things to her, and he just wanted sex texts. He says he was manipulating her too, and lying to her to get what he wanted which was sex talk.

Read this back. Is this really a man you want to waste any more energy on.
He is a scumbag and you really do deserve better.

Sort this out for your kids sake if nothing else. They're already far more involved than they should be in all this. They didn't need to know what had happened at that point and now they are lumbered with trying to process this horrible mess too.

FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 13:22

Given he was so drunk he didn't know what he was doing, did they use any protection?

Bigpinktrain · 05/05/2023 13:23

Hey OP-
it sounds like you really want to believe him and you really want to stay married.
Ive been in a relationship that was rocked by something similar, although without the sexting and continual contact, I decided to stay and work through it. It’s taken well over a year but we are in a really good place. It’s doable, but it’s heart wrenching and many changes have to be made.
All his talk of therapy is fine but has he actually been yet? He quit his job, fine, but is he being proactive to support you? Is he showing an understanding of the pain, not just that he is sorry, but does he realise he has ruined everything and has to totally start again?
I do believe it’s possible to rebuild trust but he has to do the work.
Chucking his phone and getting a new number, new email address and deleting all social media profiles also needs to happen

IAteAllTheTomatoes · 05/05/2023 13:28

I understand that you really want to repair this but I think you need to be a bit more realistic about a few things:

The other woman is entirely irrelevant - if it wasn't her, it would have been someone else. Whether she tracked him done or not again irrelevant, he chose to respond.

He wasn't too drunk to perform so it isn't realistic to minimise it because of the drinking

The I love you, again not sure I'd believe the it was just to keep the conversation etc

Quiting his job - also kind of irrelevant he hated it anyway so it's not a sacrifice for him.

The 4 days having sex - that's a common reaction in these situations.

I suppose the question is, did you both neglect your marraige & each other with lack of sex & financial stresses taking over. It doesn't excuse it but it's an explanation. He still should have dealt with it better.

You need to realistically consider, how you deal with future stresses, how you can or even if you can trust him again, what needs to change within the relationship - can it even be repaired? It's not as easy as just wanting to.

Given your current state of mine, which appears to be focused on blaming her, drink, work etc & a lot of minimising, perhaps you should see counselling too, seperate from him, to figure out what you need & to get your head straight.

It would be over for me but not the same fir everyone. The children also probably need some security and comfort, rather than the current mess.

Goodluck, it's a big shock & betrayal & a long road.

BeggyMitchell · 05/05/2023 13:28

Oh fgs OP!

I don't mean that in a bitchy way.

It's just that you've so obviously swallowed his nonsense hook,line & sinker 🤦🏻‍♀️.

Specso · 05/05/2023 13:29

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 13:01

He says that the woman wasn’t actually interested in sex texting- that was him. She wanted him to say romantic things to her, and he just wanted sex texts. He says he was manipulating her too, and lying to her to get what he wanted which was sex talk.

Look at what you’ve typed there. He’s admitted this and you actually want to stay married to a person like this? 🤮

How could you look at him every day and possibly find him attractive knowing he treats you and any other woman he wants so appallingly.

You genuinely actually want a man like this and feel this is the kind of partner you deserve?

Harrypewter · 05/05/2023 13:32

There's always more to these situations than you're being told. I've just been through a similar situation. I know you want to keep your family together but it's not the same relationship now. Quitting his job is a strong move, however, rebuilding trust is a monumental task going forward.
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danni0509 · 05/05/2023 13:32

Sorry your husband has done this to you.

Please kick him out. How could you trust him ever again. That’s the ultimate betrayal for me. I could never forgive this.

MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 13:35

I think there are kind of 2 separate issues here: the one night stand itself and what came after.

The ONS - while incredibly disrespectful/hurtful - it can and does happen and had he got down on his knees and apologised straight after I think you would have something to salvage. Particularly after 20 years of marriage.

But the continuous texting, lying to you, gaslighting you not to mention his inability to take any responsibility and blaming it all on this woman. That is unforgivable in my book.

You have a daughter. How would you feel if someone treated her this way? Would you be encouraging her to stay? Set a good example for her.

Wishimaywishimight · 05/05/2023 13:38

OP, you are clearly going to stay with him and I hope it works out however I think you are likely facing quite an unhappy future and may well look back in a few years time and wish you hadn't wasted those years with a man who has very clearly shown himself to be manipulative, a liar and a cheat

Irritateandunreasonable · 05/05/2023 13:38

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 10:21

I don’t believe he is still lying now, today. I guess I desperately want to believe that this was what he says it was, and try to survive.

So sad. He is lying. I really feel for you. He can’t be honest now. I doubt very much this was a one time thing. I think deep down you probably know he’s lying but you so want to believe his lies because it hurts les.

I hope you find the courage to end things. You could be with a person who won’t hurt, manipulate and lie to you. You could be in a happy trusting honest relationship. You just need the courage to say goodbye to this one. ❤️

YukoandHiro · 05/05/2023 13:39

He's is genuinely remorseful that he's been caught and his marriage has exploded. He's not genuinely remorseful about getting laid rather than supporting you given everything you're going through, perimenopause etc.

I think you'll find it very hard to rebuild the respect you once had for him again. Only you can say whether what's left after that has gone is enough to make it worth staying

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 05/05/2023 13:41

Gymtastic · 05/05/2023 12:49

what is it you want to achieve with this thread please. You ask how to continue. Is it how to make your marriage work?

I think convincing yourself he was unfortunate he met someone like her, he was very drunk he wasn’t going to see her again, is one way. The way you’re currently taking.

however I think it’s going to eat you up, for me the way to stay in is fully accept it and move forward. He met someone he fancied, he cheated, they stayed in touch, they had feelings for each other, he was clear with her he wished to leave you and he was planning to meet her again. When push comes to shove he’s realised that was a stupid fantasy as he’s only spent one night with her, so he’d have to spend a lot longer to make that decision. Accept he was telling her your relationship was over and he didn’t wish to be with you. For the time being he’s decided to stay. As this isn’t a solid landing for him.

I think if you can accept it and start to rebuild you stand a chance. Right now, I don’t think it can survive with both of you in bullshit mode

I agree with every word of this. You cannot move on and make the right choice for you until you drop the bullshit and accept the truth. You are twisting yourself in knots trying to excuse him. He met someone he liked, shagged her, stayed in touch and would have continued the affair had you not found out. Stop complicating things.

farnhamgal · 05/05/2023 13:44

I'm sorry OP but you've got no chance at fixing this if your head is this much in the sand. You are in total denial. It clearly shows from your replies.
Leave the other woman alone. She doesn't 'live for this drama.' Your husband lives for cheating and lying. And he's absolutely living for the fact you're blaming a lot of this on OW. Open your eyes, leave the woman alone and stop letting your husband walk all over you. Your husband knows you've got blinkers on and he's using that to his advantage. Wake up!!

MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 13:46

Despite my quite strong words above I actually have a lot of sympathy for you OP. It's extremely destabilising when the person you thought you knew inside out reveals themselves to be a completely different person. So I do kind of understand why you keep making excuses for him and wanting to believe what he says. But you need to look at the facts and not be clouded by the person you thought you knew. He doesn't exist anymore. This new person is the reality and he's not great. You (and every other woman who has been lied to and deceived by a partner they loved and trusted, myself included) need to accept this new reality and try and let go of the past and how wonderful your relationship was before. It's awful and I'm so sorry you're going through it but if you decide to stay it'll be worse. You won't be able to trust him and it'll eat you up inside. Make a clean break now is my honest advice.

moose62 · 05/05/2023 13:56

The trouble with trying to make it work, and I know from experience, is that you will probably never really be able to forgive him. Even with therapy and a real will to make it work, every time he is late or a bit secretive you will start thinking the worst, whether you want to or not. Slowly the marriage will die anyway as he can't change what he did and you probably won't be able to forget.

Pissedoffandcovidy · 05/05/2023 14:09

What woman looks for romantic chat from a man she once had a drunken ONS with and never met again? Is she mentally ill (in which case, shame on your DH for leading her on)? It just all seems so unlikely, it’s not normal female behaviour. Surely the more likely explanation is it was a proper affair.

TheNachtzehrer · 05/05/2023 14:16

So he told you that she tried to break off the texting, and he... told her he loved her... because he panicked? And you believe that?

I'm sorry, but...he is absolutely 100% lying to you. It was an affair. A common or garden, reciprocated, two-way, sexual, romantic affair. He's minimising like mad, very transparently, and spouting any old bullshit that he thinks will get him temporarily off the hook.

kairi1 · 05/05/2023 14:22

My ex had an emotional affair (no sex she was overseas) when our daughter was newborn. All kinds of mitigating factors (depression, childhood trauma, my antenatal anxiety) but in the end I couldn’t get over it. I had been with him since I was 17 I felt angry and cheated. It destroyed the romance and I asked for a divorce 12 months later after much trying from both of us. We now are both happily remarried, get on great and our daughter is loved by four wonderful parents.

You say sex life is not really there, there will now be a massive trust issue, so is this the relationship you really want to be in for the rest of your life? Do you want to do all the hard work that is going to be needed, accepting that even if you do DH may continue this relationship or do it again with someone else? You can forgive DH but that doesn’t mean you need to stay in this marriage.

kindmama15 · 05/05/2023 14:53

Respectfully, I have been there I have worn the t shirt of contacting the other woman, of placing all blame on her. It took 2 years of constant worry that he was up to these tricks again, constant worry of being a single parent before I realised my self worth and left. Don’t let him string you along, he will only be sorry he was caught.

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