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One Night Stand/Emotional Affair

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 10:02

Until recently, my marriage was the thing in my life (apart from my children) that I was most proud of. Married almost 20 yrs to someone I love and trusted implicitly.
we have suffered a huge amount of stress in recent years, and especially in the past year. Most of it, if not all of it, financial.
it’s been tough. Still is. Our sex life has been non existent as I just am too stressed, exhausted and perimenopausal to want it.
Recently my normally loving husband has not been so loving. He has been downright mean at times. I don’t know what made me ask, but last Thursday I saw him on his phone again, and told him, ‘show me your phone.’ He refused and got angry.
He told me he had been slagging me off in his WhatsApp friends group and it was vile.
we were at my parents house and had our son with us so had to drive home silently and angrily. Later that night I asked him again- he point blank refused to show me.
we slept in separate rooms. At 5am I crept into the room he was sleeping in and grabbed his phone.
he woke up and a tussle ensued. I got the phone but couldn’t open it.
At this point our son was up for school and witnessed this argument. Eventually I got the passcode but he had deleted everything on his phone. Photos the lot. I saw one message at 4am to an unknown number. It said I love you.
I made him take our son to school, and I waited.
on his return I asked him to explain.
Lie after lie tumbled out, in order to try and minimise it.
Eventuwlly, I dragged the truth out of him.
He had gone on a work trip 2 months ago and got blind drunk. He had met some woman in the pub and ended up going back to his room with her and had sex.
He says he had had 7 pints before the meal and several whiskies after and was absolutely blind drunk. He didn’t remember anything much except that something has happened.
After a day or so, he got a LinkedIn request from the woman. Now, he knew her name. She had had to do some detective work to find him on linked in based on geographical location and company name.
He refused the request. Then a few days later he contacted her via LinkedIn and asked her what had happened. She filled him in with the details.
He told her he was married and had been drunk and it shouldn’t have happened.
She then started ‘checking in’ with him. ‘Hi, are you ok?’ Etc etc. She suggested moving to WhatsApp and swapping numbers. Then she asked him, ‘what are you into’ and the conversations became sexual. Over the past two months she said that it wasn’t going anywhere so they should stop messaging. He says it was then he started to tell her he was going to leave me, he loved her etc, because he enjoyed rhe messaging. It was an ego boost etc etc.
I rang the woman. I suspected he had coached her on what to say. She said it was a drunken dalliance, nothing more.
I told her to stop contacting him. She agreed.
He blocked her number.
Later that night, I took his phone and unblocked her number. Within 15 minutes. She messaged him. Are you ok?
I pretended to be him.
Youve been online half an hour and didn’t message me? Why? She asked.
’She rang me- I said what we agreed’
I replied- my son is distraught and wife is devastated- it’s been hard here today.
she replied, ‘It’s been awful for me too- because of HER! (Me)
At that point, she got suspicious. I rang her and told her again- stop.
He says he contacted her and told her I would likely call her and to please not say anything that might hurt me more.
So he was STILL lying and attempting to minimise that very morning.
He had arranged to meet her again in the next few weeks at a works do, but told me he had no intention of doing so- he was stringing her along to keep the messages going.
He has been remorseful and upset and our children said they would never forgive him. Our parents and my best friend know and all said that of everybody in the world, he was the least likely to cheat and they cannot believe it.
He has quit his job as I said I would never trust him again on work trips.
we spent four days agreeing to salvage our marriage. He said he absolutely didn’t want this other person who he could barely remember. He is sorry blah blah blah. He has booked counselling. My parents think he has had some sort of breakdown.
We spent four days having sex and trying to carry on as normal. But this made me feel like he is being rewarded in some way for his behaviour. I love him very much but he has totally shattered my heart, my trust, my entire world. We are now back in separate rooms and I just don’t know how to carry on. Any advice really gratefully received.

OP posts:
Seaoftroubles · 05/05/2023 11:36

He has given you every excuse under the sun in an effort to place the blame on her but he is equally culpable. You mention in your first post that your sex life together was non existent and that's what he went after. He's made out it was all on her but it takes two to tango. You may benefit from couples counselling to try to salvage your relationship, not just therapy for his drinking.

Softoprider · 05/05/2023 11:36

And you are making excuses for him, even now !

Cakeandcoffee93 · 05/05/2023 11:38

Just to add- four years on I’m still with my partner
i know my worth
i do love him
our sex life is awesome
I trust him like 99 percent cos I have to protect myself
would I care if he did it again? Yes but he’d be gone and I’d be a stronger woman now as I don’t care tbh
i know my worth and know I can survive without him
and I can easily get someone else aha

potatohead1 · 05/05/2023 11:42

OP kindly, when a cheater sees the devastation they caused and then continues, then there is no hope. Nothing to do with his feeling for the OW. HE doesn’t care enough about you. He doesn’t love you. He has seen you broken and then has secretly carried on. If he was genuinely horrified at what he had done he would have come to his senses. He hasn’t. Please see this. He has seen you broken. He has seen his dc broken. Yet he has tried to continue. Let him go.
the only way he will ever really understand what he has done is for HIM to suffer the reality of it. It might be day or weeks or months but if he really does regret it he will properly be broken himself. He isn’t. He is still trying to figure out how to have it all his way.
might the marriage resume one day? Perhaps but it will be so far in the future that you will likely have moved on

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 11:44

Growgrowinggrown- I looked at his LinkedIn and could see that this person had looked at his profile and messaged him.
He describes himself as being blackout drunk- he woke up later, alone and knew he had done something bad.
Our children are teenagers, and they know because unfortunately our son witnessed some hostility on the night I asked to see his phone- we had to maintain a silence in the car on the way home and obviously he could see that something was going on. It was breakfast time the next day, and the school run when I discovered the message on his phone. I was too upset to drive to school as I normally do, and he told him that he had been inappropriately messaging someone and I was very angry.
we are a close family. It’s impossible to hide something like this. Our son then reported it to his sister.
I agree with you- our son’s relationship with his father is, probably, irretrievably damaged. I am also incredibly upset by this as our son is an exceptionally lovely, talented boy who has big things ahead of him. I desperately hope this won’t derail him. Our daughter is more forgiving and although upset, still loves her Dad.
i always thought I would divorce a cheat. And that was my first reaction- I have spoken to a divorce lawyer.
But when you are actually in this situation after almost twenty, on average pretty happy years together, and he says this was a mistake that he bitterly wishes hadn’t happened- and wants to make amends for, it’s not quite so black and white.
Perhaps the children can see their parents at least try to salvage their relationship and how that works? And if it doesn’t work, that at least we tried?

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FrogsLegs37 · 05/05/2023 11:44

All the details in your OP? The ones about her finding him on linkedin? Her messaging him? Her asking what he was into? Her leading the continued conversation?

Yeah. All of those were clearly him not her 💐

LiliLil · 05/05/2023 11:44

OP we can all see as clear as day he is lying to you. It’s ok if you don’t want to face that now, but he has told you the bare minimum.

Come on, a one night stand tracking him down on LinkedIn? The hotel would be reaching GDPA by giving out his personal information. You don’t just text someone I Love You after a one night stand. You know in your heart of hearts he is still not being honest with you, this is more likely a full blown affair than anything else and it’s very unlikely that he’s been caught out the first time he’s cheated. There will be more.

He is not sorry, he’s sorry he’s been caught. If he was sorry, he would have blocked her months ago. If he was sorry, he wouldn’t have concocted a story with her - why would there be any need to get their stories straight if he was telling the truth?

However hard it seems, leaving will be far easier than living like this for years.

LiliLil · 05/05/2023 11:46

What would you want your daughter to do in this situation?

Why would you want your children to see you tear yourself apart trying to fix this? I’m not trying to be harsh, your husband isn’t the man you thought he was. He does not bitterly wish it didn’t happen, he bitterly wishes you hadn’t found out.

Summerhillsquare · 05/05/2023 11:48

Look up 'hysterical bonding ' OP.

usernother · 05/05/2023 11:49

OP you can want to stay with him, that's your choice, but you don't have to let him know you believe the bullshit he's feeding you.

potatohead1 · 05/05/2023 11:53

he says this was a mistake that he bitterly wishes hadn’t happened- and wants to make amends
But his actions are not backing this up. OP if he was genuinely remorseful it would be obvious. He would never speak to the AP again. Ever. Please read and reread my previous post

Motnight · 05/05/2023 11:56

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 11:18

Usernother agreed- I’m trying hard not to make excuses for him. But, there was some serious detective work by this woman to track him down. He didn’t even know her name. She knew his first name. She contacted the pub/hotel to find out what company he worked for. She went on linked in and looked at their offices in his location, and then scrolled through photos until she found him.
He initially declined her LinkedIn request. But a few days later, it was totally his choice to look at her profile and message her. There are no excuses for that. He was sober. He cannot explain why he did that. He says he will discuss it in therapy to try and get an understanding of why he did that.

Even if this true, I can save him the therapy. He did it to get his ego stroked and his end away.

You are giving him excuse after excuse.

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 11:56

Cakeandcoffee93- this is interesting.
I said something similar to my best friend. However, I already know my own worth. I definitely know that, despite having let myself go over the past few years- because I felt that I had a loving attentive husband, and also that I was too busy and stressed to make time for that kind of thing, I’m an attractive person.
One of my husband’s friends made a pass at me a few years ago. Tried to kiss me. I politely demurred and never told my husband and just pretended it had never happened to the friend (and his wife). Everyone had had a few drinks and it was silly of him. I am not a cheat. Yes, I did cheat on previous relationships in my twenties, but I was a different person then and I have been faithful to my husband.
Im not interested in settling a score with my husband or getting revenge. What would that do to our children? I did tell him though, if I cheated now, you wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. You could do absolutely nothing about it. He acknowledged this. The irony of this is that he is deeply jealous himself, and says he always thought that I might one day cheat on him. He made a big fuss last year about a man I was working with on a project, saying I talked about him too much- we were (and still are) just colleagues and acquaintances and he had made a silly fuss about nothing. My husband is a deeply insecure man. But I don’t want to play mind games with him. That would be an unpleasant way to live. I want to either be able to forgive him, trust him and heal our relationship. Or to realise there is no hope and divorce him as cleanly as possible. What I really want of course is for this not to have happened. 💔

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MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 11:58

OP you love your husband and want to believe his side of the story but do you honestly believe that if he was blind drunk the sex would be that mind-blowing that a woman would go out of her way to interrogate the hotel and then look him up on LinkedIn to track him down?? Sorry, that's just bonkers and not what happened. I think you need to give him an ultimatum and say if he wants to make the marriage work you need the whole truth or you're walking. I think you'll find the reality harder to forgive than the nonsense he's feeding you but at least you'll be angry then rather than sad and that'll give you the strength to leave.

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:00

‘Clearly’ are you privy to information I’m not?! It doesn’t sound like his MO to be honest. And the messages I did manage to see before he deleted them were mostly banal- her asking him how he was, and telling him what she had for dinner and how awful her ex was.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:04

I spoke to her and I looked her up online. She is the same age as me with kids, and a long history of fractured ‘relationships’. Her last partner was also a married man. She sent my husband messages telling him she was shagging someone else, or going on dates, in order to extract some sort of drama and response. He is a cheat and a liar. No doubt. But she is no saint either. She absolutely did look him up on LinkedIn, and did track him down, despite living hundreds of miles away. Some people get a kick out of that. It’s entertainment to them. I don’t believe it was because of mind blowing sex. He was extremely drunk and I have seen him
like that. I think your reply and assertions are quite unkind.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:06

Potato head- he didn’t see my devastation and then carry on. He told her not to message him again, that I knew and he wanted to work on his family. He blocked her.
I then unblocked her just to see what would happen- she immediately started messaging him again.

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MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 12:13

OP you've come on Mumsnet to ask advice on your cheating husband but are getting ridiculously defensive about everything anyone says/suggests. Most of us will probably have experienced a cheating partner or spouse and are just trying to help. It's up to you if you stay with him and you don't have to justify your decision to do so to strangers on the Internet but don't ask for advice and then ignore it and defend your husband. If you believe everything he's told you fine, and you want to move past it, then do you. Best of luck with it all.

Gymtastic · 05/05/2023 12:14

Oh op; I feel so sad for you. It’s clear you’re trying to make it her fault and excuse him as much as possible to justify staying with him. To minimise what he did and maximise her responsibilities. You even said he was unfortunate to meet someone like her then pretended you believe he can have sex when black out drunk. You call the attempt to stay with him your survival.

is it money? I find sadly often on these threads where women are trying to find a way to accept it , it’s all about money. He has it and they don’t.

CovertImage · 05/05/2023 12:15

Cakeandcoffee93 · 05/05/2023 11:35

I’ve been through this but my partner never slept with her. I only know this through asking her repeatedly and she said f”k you instead of yes we slept together etc
heres what you’re gonna do OP
yoire gonna kick him out, as he needs to be punished
you’re gonna get booked in for various beauty treatments and you’re gonna go out more and go the gym and chat to other people
you know why? Because he will be thinking you’re sat about in love with him, crying etc and he will love that he has two women wanting him
you will be independent and show you don’t need him
men are a luxury at their finest
cheating men arent
youre gonna act like you don’t give a fuck
he will come crawling back and be insanely sorry and jealous etc
when he does you decide if you want him. Or if you’ve outgrown him.

Yeah, don't bother with any of this OP. It's highly unlikely he'll be insanely jealous and sorry and come crawling back. It may occasionally work but I'd always be surprised if it did

Gymtastic · 05/05/2023 12:19

CovertImage · 05/05/2023 12:15

Yeah, don't bother with any of this OP. It's highly unlikely he'll be insanely jealous and sorry and come crawling back. It may occasionally work but I'd always be surprised if it did

Agree that’s like something a teenage girl would write.

FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:19

Op you are giving her far too much headspace. It doesn't matter if she looked him up after their encounter. The fact is he had sex with someone else. He can't have been that drunk or I doubt he could have performed at all, never mind so well that she started tracking him down like a person possessed. Who pursued who really doesn't matter as you don't accidentally have sex with someone and then if you do fail to tell your partner if you actually regret it. Why on earth would he get that drunk while away with work anyway?

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:23

Gymtastic- it definitely isn’t about money in this case. If I divorced him, I wouldn’t get anything, but I have my own money, income and a supportive family.

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FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:25

Also she tried to stop the messaging, he was the one desperate to carry it on. You are focused on her tracking him down and asking them to move it to WhatsApp but he was a very willing participant. He wanted it to continue.

MumLass · 05/05/2023 12:27

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 11:44

Growgrowinggrown- I looked at his LinkedIn and could see that this person had looked at his profile and messaged him.
He describes himself as being blackout drunk- he woke up later, alone and knew he had done something bad.
Our children are teenagers, and they know because unfortunately our son witnessed some hostility on the night I asked to see his phone- we had to maintain a silence in the car on the way home and obviously he could see that something was going on. It was breakfast time the next day, and the school run when I discovered the message on his phone. I was too upset to drive to school as I normally do, and he told him that he had been inappropriately messaging someone and I was very angry.
we are a close family. It’s impossible to hide something like this. Our son then reported it to his sister.
I agree with you- our son’s relationship with his father is, probably, irretrievably damaged. I am also incredibly upset by this as our son is an exceptionally lovely, talented boy who has big things ahead of him. I desperately hope this won’t derail him. Our daughter is more forgiving and although upset, still loves her Dad.
i always thought I would divorce a cheat. And that was my first reaction- I have spoken to a divorce lawyer.
But when you are actually in this situation after almost twenty, on average pretty happy years together, and he says this was a mistake that he bitterly wishes hadn’t happened- and wants to make amends for, it’s not quite so black and white.
Perhaps the children can see their parents at least try to salvage their relationship and how that works? And if it doesn’t work, that at least we tried?

OP, I am recently separated from my husband after almost 20 years together (married for 15). We have 2 children, the eldest is 14. Like you, I was completely floored when I found out about his betrayal. I found out late last year and I let him talk me round. Then I found out there was more to it. He had lied and lied and lied and would have carried on doing so if I hadn't caught him out. Like you, I wanted to believe it was all a mistake and he was so very sorry. It's all bollocks though. He's sorry for what he has lost, the family life and security. The outward appearance of a happy family.

I stuck to my guns and he has moved out. I feel every emotion most days, from despair to relief. The despair is getting less though. You are in shock and you are grieving. Take your time and make sure he gives you the space you need to figure out what you want. This is HIS doing, you don't owe him anything.