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One Night Stand/Emotional Affair

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 10:02

Until recently, my marriage was the thing in my life (apart from my children) that I was most proud of. Married almost 20 yrs to someone I love and trusted implicitly.
we have suffered a huge amount of stress in recent years, and especially in the past year. Most of it, if not all of it, financial.
it’s been tough. Still is. Our sex life has been non existent as I just am too stressed, exhausted and perimenopausal to want it.
Recently my normally loving husband has not been so loving. He has been downright mean at times. I don’t know what made me ask, but last Thursday I saw him on his phone again, and told him, ‘show me your phone.’ He refused and got angry.
He told me he had been slagging me off in his WhatsApp friends group and it was vile.
we were at my parents house and had our son with us so had to drive home silently and angrily. Later that night I asked him again- he point blank refused to show me.
we slept in separate rooms. At 5am I crept into the room he was sleeping in and grabbed his phone.
he woke up and a tussle ensued. I got the phone but couldn’t open it.
At this point our son was up for school and witnessed this argument. Eventually I got the passcode but he had deleted everything on his phone. Photos the lot. I saw one message at 4am to an unknown number. It said I love you.
I made him take our son to school, and I waited.
on his return I asked him to explain.
Lie after lie tumbled out, in order to try and minimise it.
Eventuwlly, I dragged the truth out of him.
He had gone on a work trip 2 months ago and got blind drunk. He had met some woman in the pub and ended up going back to his room with her and had sex.
He says he had had 7 pints before the meal and several whiskies after and was absolutely blind drunk. He didn’t remember anything much except that something has happened.
After a day or so, he got a LinkedIn request from the woman. Now, he knew her name. She had had to do some detective work to find him on linked in based on geographical location and company name.
He refused the request. Then a few days later he contacted her via LinkedIn and asked her what had happened. She filled him in with the details.
He told her he was married and had been drunk and it shouldn’t have happened.
She then started ‘checking in’ with him. ‘Hi, are you ok?’ Etc etc. She suggested moving to WhatsApp and swapping numbers. Then she asked him, ‘what are you into’ and the conversations became sexual. Over the past two months she said that it wasn’t going anywhere so they should stop messaging. He says it was then he started to tell her he was going to leave me, he loved her etc, because he enjoyed rhe messaging. It was an ego boost etc etc.
I rang the woman. I suspected he had coached her on what to say. She said it was a drunken dalliance, nothing more.
I told her to stop contacting him. She agreed.
He blocked her number.
Later that night, I took his phone and unblocked her number. Within 15 minutes. She messaged him. Are you ok?
I pretended to be him.
Youve been online half an hour and didn’t message me? Why? She asked.
’She rang me- I said what we agreed’
I replied- my son is distraught and wife is devastated- it’s been hard here today.
she replied, ‘It’s been awful for me too- because of HER! (Me)
At that point, she got suspicious. I rang her and told her again- stop.
He says he contacted her and told her I would likely call her and to please not say anything that might hurt me more.
So he was STILL lying and attempting to minimise that very morning.
He had arranged to meet her again in the next few weeks at a works do, but told me he had no intention of doing so- he was stringing her along to keep the messages going.
He has been remorseful and upset and our children said they would never forgive him. Our parents and my best friend know and all said that of everybody in the world, he was the least likely to cheat and they cannot believe it.
He has quit his job as I said I would never trust him again on work trips.
we spent four days agreeing to salvage our marriage. He said he absolutely didn’t want this other person who he could barely remember. He is sorry blah blah blah. He has booked counselling. My parents think he has had some sort of breakdown.
We spent four days having sex and trying to carry on as normal. But this made me feel like he is being rewarded in some way for his behaviour. I love him very much but he has totally shattered my heart, my trust, my entire world. We are now back in separate rooms and I just don’t know how to carry on. Any advice really gratefully received.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:27

FishChipsMushyPeas
we will have to beg to differ on that one. I don’t believe he would’ve done the sex bit without being extremely drunk.
the messaging when sober is the puzzling bit- he wanted to have his ego massaged and the promise of sex- no doubt. He said he didn’t want her to stop messaging him and he was engaging in a fantasy that avoided him confronting his problems in the real world.
His work has a heavy drinking culture- he does tend to let loose if and when he does go out, and I tend to rein him in if I see that happening and I’m there.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:29

Not saying he wasn’t a willing participant at all. He was.

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FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:31

Yeah I think we will have to agree to disagree on the sex part. The question is, can you ever test him again as what bothers me is that while he was needing his ego stroked, he was being actively mean to you which means he felt no remorse at all about it.

workshy46 · 05/05/2023 12:31

I think quitting is job is a real statement of intent.. I do think he is minimizing but do think on that alone he wants to try and work things out.
Usually I am like leave but if you have had 20 years of a great marriage and been under enormous stress, no sex etc I can see how something could give.

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:32

LiliLil - I can’t give more details, other than to say the hotel didn’t give out his personal details. The woman found out which company it was, then did her own sleuthing. Not trying to put the blame on her- it does take two to tango- he had no idea who she was, and couldn’t have contacted her again. She got in touch with him, and he chose to pursue it.

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FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:32

Trust not test!

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:33

FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:31

Yeah I think we will have to agree to disagree on the sex part. The question is, can you ever test him again as what bothers me is that while he was needing his ego stroked, he was being actively mean to you which means he felt no remorse at all about it.

I agree with you. He says he was compartmentalising it. He says it was almost like being on a computer game on his phone- it was compulsive behaviour that he couldn’t stop. He also freely admits gaslighting me for the past two months until I found out.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:36

workshy46 · 05/05/2023 12:31

I think quitting is job is a real statement of intent.. I do think he is minimizing but do think on that alone he wants to try and work things out.
Usually I am like leave but if you have had 20 years of a great marriage and been under enormous stress, no sex etc I can see how something could give.

The job has undoubtedly put him under a huge amount of stress, as has the lying. His health has suffered as a result and he is having medical treatment for that.
he realised that he couldn’t make excuses for not going on business trips every time, and that I couldn’t tolerate him going on trips in the near future so he resigned. It wasn’t just because of this personal situation though- there were many other reasons.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:39

LiliLil · 05/05/2023 11:44

OP we can all see as clear as day he is lying to you. It’s ok if you don’t want to face that now, but he has told you the bare minimum.

Come on, a one night stand tracking him down on LinkedIn? The hotel would be reaching GDPA by giving out his personal information. You don’t just text someone I Love You after a one night stand. You know in your heart of hearts he is still not being honest with you, this is more likely a full blown affair than anything else and it’s very unlikely that he’s been caught out the first time he’s cheated. There will be more.

He is not sorry, he’s sorry he’s been caught. If he was sorry, he would have blocked her months ago. If he was sorry, he wouldn’t have concocted a story with her - why would there be any need to get their stories straight if he was telling the truth?

However hard it seems, leaving will be far easier than living like this for years.

Agree with some of this. I asked him about the I love you. He said that the woman threatened to stop messaging him, so in a desperate bid to keep her interested, he told her he loved her etc etc. I agree- and that’s what I said to him- you don’t tell someone you love them after a one night stand. He said it was to get her to keep messaging.

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MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:41

potatohead1 · 05/05/2023 11:53

he says this was a mistake that he bitterly wishes hadn’t happened- and wants to make amends
But his actions are not backing this up. OP if he was genuinely remorseful it would be obvious. He would never speak to the AP again. Ever. Please read and reread my previous post

He hasn’t been in touch with her since- he changed his phone number. He handed in his resignation at work and booked some therapy.

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FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:46

So now he has left his job and changed his number, where do you want to go from here?

Gymtastic · 05/05/2023 12:49

what is it you want to achieve with this thread please. You ask how to continue. Is it how to make your marriage work?

I think convincing yourself he was unfortunate he met someone like her, he was very drunk he wasn’t going to see her again, is one way. The way you’re currently taking.

however I think it’s going to eat you up, for me the way to stay in is fully accept it and move forward. He met someone he fancied, he cheated, they stayed in touch, they had feelings for each other, he was clear with her he wished to leave you and he was planning to meet her again. When push comes to shove he’s realised that was a stupid fantasy as he’s only spent one night with her, so he’d have to spend a lot longer to make that decision. Accept he was telling her your relationship was over and he didn’t wish to be with you. For the time being he’s decided to stay. As this isn’t a solid landing for him.

I think if you can accept it and start to rebuild you stand a chance. Right now, I don’t think it can survive with both of you in bullshit mode

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:49

I want to see if I can get over this and stay married.
I don’t want to be unhappy every day.
I don’t ‘need’ him.
but, I do love him (and currently hate him).

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CheshireCats · 05/05/2023 12:50

This is so depressing. Op is deluded and is still trying to blame "the other woman". Women are STILL blaming other women rather than see clearly enough to blame the lying, cheating man.

Gymtastic · 05/05/2023 12:51

also op accept if you’d not found out by accident he would have continued and met up with her, and had a full blown exit affair.

DemelzaandRoss · 05/05/2023 12:54

All things considered, maybe you should give him another chance. Tell him you will reconsider in 6/12 months to see how Counselling etc goes. Clearly he has much hard work to rekindle your relationship with him & his children.
However, it will be zero tolerance of any more unacceptable behaviour.

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:55

CheshireCats · 05/05/2023 12:50

This is so depressing. Op is deluded and is still trying to blame "the other woman". Women are STILL blaming other women rather than see clearly enough to blame the lying, cheating man.

It IS depressing. Yes. I’m not at all deluded as to what went on. But- it takes two.

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FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:55

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:33

I agree with you. He says he was compartmentalising it. He says it was almost like being on a computer game on his phone- it was compulsive behaviour that he couldn’t stop. He also freely admits gaslighting me for the past two months until I found out.

Genuine question, has he taken any responsibility for what he has done?

All I'm seeing is:

  • he was drunk so not his fault
  • she tracked him down so not his fault
  • he enjoyed having his ego stroked so not his fault
  • she wanted to stop messaging so he had to lie to keep it going, her fault not his
  • he was being horrible to you while it was going on as in his head it was a video game (BS explanation by the way), not his fault

Has he ever actually apologisedo and taken any responsibility?

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:57

Gymtastic · 05/05/2023 12:51

also op accept if you’d not found out by accident he would have continued and met up with her, and had a full blown exit affair.

He says absolutely not. He hardly knew her and he had no intention of meeting up with her again. He said he was desperate to keep the messages going. Yes, they would have continued had I not discovered them. No doubt.

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CheshireCats · 05/05/2023 12:58

@MarchionessG yes, it takes two but only one of those is cheating on you. Yet you are still defending the poor ickle man who cannot keep in it his trousers if a woman talks to him.

Greycloudlooming · 05/05/2023 12:58

Oh come on. You don’t exchange “I love you” messages after a one night stand and a few messages. Of course they’ve met more than once.

He was sooooo blind drunk that he ‘can’t remember’ anything but still managed to have sex?

You were both distant to each other due to financial worries but now he’s quit his job?

Thank heavens you’re staying married to him, to protect him from this big bad cougar OW…and to protect all the single ladies from ever having to date him.

I say this part with kindness despite knowing you’re going to buff me off. Have some self respect. He clearly wants her, he’s just too comfortable in the lifestyle you have together to actually go through with it. I genuinely do feel for you.

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:58

FishChipsMushyPeas · 05/05/2023 12:55

Genuine question, has he taken any responsibility for what he has done?

All I'm seeing is:

  • he was drunk so not his fault
  • she tracked him down so not his fault
  • he enjoyed having his ego stroked so not his fault
  • she wanted to stop messaging so he had to lie to keep it going, her fault not his
  • he was being horrible to you while it was going on as in his head it was a video game (BS explanation by the way), not his fault

Has he ever actually apologisedo and taken any responsibility?

Of course he has apologised- many many times and he appears to be genuinely remorseful. He does take responsibility and says he has no one to blame but himself. He hasn’t tried to shift responsibility at all.

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LiliLil · 05/05/2023 12:59

The fact that he’s deeply insecure is another red flag. He will chase after every bit of attention he gets, always needing validation from women. I’ve been there, most cheats are insecure and accuse you of cheating.

OP I’ll say no more, except the women on here are rarely wrong. We’ve lived this. I think you’d be wrong to stay with him, but it’s your life and your decision to make. He is not some drunken silly man who didn’t know what he was doing. He is a calculating, cheating liar and he will lie to you to save his own skin. That’s not remorse.

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 13:01

He says that the woman wasn’t actually interested in sex texting- that was him. She wanted him to say romantic things to her, and he just wanted sex texts. He says he was manipulating her too, and lying to her to get what he wanted which was sex talk.

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MrsSamR · 05/05/2023 13:01

MarchionessG · 05/05/2023 12:58

Of course he has apologised- many many times and he appears to be genuinely remorseful. He does take responsibility and says he has no one to blame but himself. He hasn’t tried to shift responsibility at all.

Being genuinely sorry for what you did and sorry you got caught are different things. Would he have volunteered the information himself had you not found out? No. Would it still be going on? Most likely. When people show you who they are, believe them.

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