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Co parenting...confusion

85 replies

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 08:14

If you co parent with an ex, what sort of things do you do together and how much time do you spend together?
If you partner co parents with an ex, what sort of expectations do you have around it?

For reference, I'm talking about 50 50 shared care of young children (under 9).

Do you, for example, go on trips out together leaving your partner at home? Do you spend time in ex partners home? How much phone contact do you have? Does your ex partner still ask you to help with things? (such as their car- not lifts for the kids).

Would you sit in your ex partners house overnight when they just got back from holiday while they and the kids were asleep?

What about birthdays, would you go round there to play happy families after the child has already opened their presents from you, to see them open their presents from their other parent?
What about phone calls and facetime, how often is this reasonable?

I'm current partner.. my other half seems to just spend a lot of time with his ex. I found a 'mummy' sock in the washing before that isn't mine, he claims oldest child was wearing it. She rings him all the time it feels like, and he goes to the extent of pulling the car over and getting out to talk to her so I can't hear, even though I've told him it feels weird and cagey.

She doesn't come to our house when I'm here, but he goes to hers and just lets himself in, he still has a key that he uses, and he told me even when he takes the kids back to her he just opens the door and lets himself in. The other day we argued and I had to drive past his exs to do school run, and his car was outside his exs. For her birthday she sent him a list of things like new bedding, charm for bracelet etc for herself that she wanted and he ordered it. There was a time he told me he was in a work meeting but when I drove past hers (she lives on an A road which is the only route to work for me) his car was outside her house and he wasn't in it.

He will say he's going to pick the kids up but be at her house for 1 or 2 hours.
Yesterday was one childs birthday, child opened presents at our house and then we went out together (polling so school closed). Partner then took child to exs house and spent 3 hours there..apparently while child opened presents etc. Am I wrong to think if we have time with child here opening his presents, his mum should have the same one to one time with her child? She doesn't come here at all ever. I've never met her. She pretends I'm not real and even ignores me if she sees me in the street. Partner doesn't allow me to speak to her or even be in the car when he picks the kids up.

When his nan died, he told me I wasn't welcome at the funeral as his ex would be there. His sister and his mum still spend loads of time with his ex, play dates and dinners out, visiting each others homes etc. This is all fine and and get they've known each other a long time but it feels they only bother with me if they want me to do something like mind someone's children.

More than all this though...if he ever does answer the phone and he's out with me, she gets moody with him. I've heard her ask things like 'OH is zola with you this time'. She pretends I don't exist and I think he seems to do the same when he's with her. He doesn't really answer the phone when he's with her. I've seen her in the front of his car when we were in an argument but he always has a believable excuse.
Once she phoned him about 8 times in the morning while we were still in bed, when he answered she said oh I was worried you were going to sleep through X important work thing that I know you've got today. It just felt uncomfortable and not appropriate.

I wasn't the other woman, they split before I ever knew him. I'm worried there's more going on between them, or just that he's being ridiculously disrespectful to me as I've told him that I feel like the third wheel in the relationship. He never tells me anything about her or when they disagree on things etc so it feels like I'm always on the outside and they're a little family.

I understand he needs a relationship with her, but I don't think it's necessary that he spends hours in her house, and prioritises her to the detriment of our relationship.
Am I being overly sensitive? Is this inappropriate? Please give me some perspective!

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PaintedEgg · 05/05/2023 13:44

@Zola1 even the things you describe as your faults really show what kind of psycho HE IS

everyone gets snappy sometimes and when dealing with such a ridiculous behaviour as his, pulling faces is the most timid thing one can do

"not trusting you" for speaking to people - what sort of argument is this?! you can talk to whoever the hell you like and if he doesn't like he could leave...but he won't. instead he will prefer to continuously abuse and control you

Worst of all - you're scared of this bastard. You've said it yourself you worry he knows where you are. Get away from him and dont look back

Flakjacketon · 05/05/2023 13:46

For the sake of your mental and physical health, please free yourself from this dreadful man.

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 13:56

I just find it hard to put it into perspective.. I don't care if I'm single forever or lonely or whatever. I suppose my big fear is that it's me making him this way qnd if I can get it right then it'll be better because once it was amazing between us. When I say I want to leave he shouts, he's nasty, he guilts me about walking away from the kids and saying my daughter will never know what a family is because of me, and then he starts threatening to kill himself and saying he's written suicide letters etc.
He kicks things and throws things vut not at me. Sometimes if we are disagreeing he 'jokingly' grabs me by thr neck or clothes and throws me etc. He says it's just joking but I know he's angry when he does it

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Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 14:08

For her birthday she sent him a list of things like new bedding, charm for bracelet etc for herself that she wanted and he ordered it.
my ex and I do this. And then the children give it.

Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 14:09

You and he have a daughter together?

Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 14:11

Do you know their relationship ended?

Newestname002 · 05/05/2023 14:21

@Zola1

Sometimes if we are disagreeing he 'jokingly' grabs me by thr neck or clothes and throws me etc. He says it's just joking but I know he's angry when he does it

This is not joking - this is escalation of abusive behaviour and potentially dangerous to you.

Please be open with your family about the realities of this relationship so they can support you in getting away from him. 🌹

Karatema · 05/05/2023 14:23

Are you sure he's not put a tracking device either in your bag or in the car?

So many red flags - the ex is the least of your worries. Go before DV happens?

Best of luck and get back to work to help your MH get back on track.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 05/05/2023 14:26

This man is awful OP, he's abusive for a start but if you put that aside... he's still enmeshed with his ex wife. It's NOT NORMAL. I would be raising my eyebrows at you tolerating that alone but come on, he is an abusive prick. You need to get you and your daughter out of there. What is she learning watching you running around after a man and his kids while he treats you like this? Get out.

SlipperyLizard · 05/05/2023 14:34

OP please speak to your mum and sister about making a plan to leave. He’s an abuser who has destroyed your self confidence, which I’m sure is why they don’t like him. You deserve better than a man who treats you like that.

Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 14:34

I have read your catalogue of threads OP

months and months this has been going on

the worst of it… you have a teenage daughter and this man treats her very unfairly.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/4776726-blended-family-issues

if you don’t do something about it for yourself, do it for your daughter FGS.

and within 3 years to have blended families and had a child together - is too bloody fast. So if you do extricate yourself and your children from this ghastly environment - then just take it slowly in future

Blended family issues | Mumsnet

I just need some thoughts really.. My 13yo isn't the biological daughter of my partner. She doesn't know her Dad, but equally, she doesn't call my par...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/4776726-blended-family-issues

Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 14:41

In Feb you said the ex hated your partner

* Zola1 · 16/02/2023 10:42*
My partner and his ex Co parent well. She hates him but tolerates him for birthdays and sometimes they take the child out together, he took them to the airport for their holiday etc, they go into each others houses for handover
🤔

Hellno45 · 05/05/2023 14:55

@Zola1 he's a nasty bastard. He is abusing you. Take is ex out of the equation. He is controlling. He checks your interactions even work ones. He controls your clothes. He checks you phone, email etc. He threatens suicide if you try to leave and most worrying he grabs your throat. You need to run @Zola1. Your life is at risk. I'm actually scared for you.

You need to be aware that he is monitoring you so might need to call woman's aid from a phone box or a friend's phone but you need help.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

Recognising domestic abuse - Women’s Aid

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 15:36

Thank you all.
For those of you pulling old threads and posts.. I joined mn with the plan to post asking for relationship help.
I lost my nerve. I've never been straight about what its actually like

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CombatBarbie · 05/05/2023 15:40

Oh I'd def be leaving op. Co parenting simply means yous are amicable and ensure the kids needs are met between you. Maybe a call a week to say John has dentist on your time at 3.30pm, or I'd like to take them away for 2 weeks is that OK. Maybe..... Maybe do joint birthday outing.

Certainly not what you are describing. I would say it's u healthy

CombatBarbie · 05/05/2023 15:47

And he's an abusive prick. Leave OP, or this is your future. You are so much better than this!

When you leave, I think you'll find Alot of your anxiety etc disappears.

XMissPlacedX · 05/05/2023 16:04

Honestly end it, make your life so much easier. Is this the kind of relationship you really want ? Cut and run

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 16:41

Thank you all for your advice and thoughts. I think you're all right and on reflection things are very bad

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Whichwhatnow · 05/05/2023 17:16

OP this is horrendous. Does this man have any redeeming qualities? Actually don't even answer that, even if he does they aren't enough to make up for his abuse of you (and, based on your previous post, his increasingly abusive behaviour towards your 13 year old).

I very rarely say to leave as I think posters often jump to that far too quickly. In this case you can't NOT leave. Please do this, for yourself and your DC.

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 05/05/2023 17:25

Wow! This is such an unhealthy relationship dynamic that you're in and that's ignoring everything to do with his ex.

He police's everything you do, but you can't check or ask about anything that he does (plus he lies about his whereabouts anyway).

Time to move on. This is not what a good relationship looks like, you (& your mental health) will be so much better without him in your life.

Daftapath · 05/05/2023 17:29

Op I really think that you need to be very careful about telling this man that you are leaving and how you do it. He has shown by his 'joking' around hands on your throat that it is a possibility in his head.

I would find the opportunity to phone women's aid when you are out of the house - maybe use a different phone in case he has a key logger on your phone. Talk to your family when he is not around (ask them to keep your confidence for now).

Don't let posters on here rush you, it can take ages to be ready to leave. The important thing is that you have now recognised how awful he is and that you leave safely.

Thighdentitycrisis · 05/05/2023 17:36

Get rid of him quickly and make sure you have cast iron contraception in place

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:46

Thighdentitycrisis · 05/05/2023 17:36

Get rid of him quickly and make sure you have cast iron contraception in place

Oh god I've the copper coil I can't think of anything worse than falling pregnant in this situation

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Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:48

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 05/05/2023 17:25

Wow! This is such an unhealthy relationship dynamic that you're in and that's ignoring everything to do with his ex.

He police's everything you do, but you can't check or ask about anything that he does (plus he lies about his whereabouts anyway).

Time to move on. This is not what a good relationship looks like, you (& your mental health) will be so much better without him in your life.

Youre right...I can't ask anything really or he has a go at me. The double standards are wild. Things that I'm not to question if he does them are free for all if I do...basics like being longer at the shop or working from the office instead of home etc. He counted how many hours I was out visiting my mum at the weekend and wouldn't speak to me because I should have prioritised him and cancelled seeing my mum

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Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:50

Daftapath · 05/05/2023 17:29

Op I really think that you need to be very careful about telling this man that you are leaving and how you do it. He has shown by his 'joking' around hands on your throat that it is a possibility in his head.

I would find the opportunity to phone women's aid when you are out of the house - maybe use a different phone in case he has a key logger on your phone. Talk to your family when he is not around (ask them to keep your confidence for now).

Don't let posters on here rush you, it can take ages to be ready to leave. The important thing is that you have now recognised how awful he is and that you leave safely.

Thanks...the joking violence thing is fairly new, I've had a few bruises etc from where he's pushed/dragged me 'jokingly' by my clothes into a wall etc, he just says oh you know id never hurt you I was only joking why are you being cranky

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