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Co parenting...confusion

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Zola1 · 05/05/2023 08:14

If you co parent with an ex, what sort of things do you do together and how much time do you spend together?
If you partner co parents with an ex, what sort of expectations do you have around it?

For reference, I'm talking about 50 50 shared care of young children (under 9).

Do you, for example, go on trips out together leaving your partner at home? Do you spend time in ex partners home? How much phone contact do you have? Does your ex partner still ask you to help with things? (such as their car- not lifts for the kids).

Would you sit in your ex partners house overnight when they just got back from holiday while they and the kids were asleep?

What about birthdays, would you go round there to play happy families after the child has already opened their presents from you, to see them open their presents from their other parent?
What about phone calls and facetime, how often is this reasonable?

I'm current partner.. my other half seems to just spend a lot of time with his ex. I found a 'mummy' sock in the washing before that isn't mine, he claims oldest child was wearing it. She rings him all the time it feels like, and he goes to the extent of pulling the car over and getting out to talk to her so I can't hear, even though I've told him it feels weird and cagey.

She doesn't come to our house when I'm here, but he goes to hers and just lets himself in, he still has a key that he uses, and he told me even when he takes the kids back to her he just opens the door and lets himself in. The other day we argued and I had to drive past his exs to do school run, and his car was outside his exs. For her birthday she sent him a list of things like new bedding, charm for bracelet etc for herself that she wanted and he ordered it. There was a time he told me he was in a work meeting but when I drove past hers (she lives on an A road which is the only route to work for me) his car was outside her house and he wasn't in it.

He will say he's going to pick the kids up but be at her house for 1 or 2 hours.
Yesterday was one childs birthday, child opened presents at our house and then we went out together (polling so school closed). Partner then took child to exs house and spent 3 hours there..apparently while child opened presents etc. Am I wrong to think if we have time with child here opening his presents, his mum should have the same one to one time with her child? She doesn't come here at all ever. I've never met her. She pretends I'm not real and even ignores me if she sees me in the street. Partner doesn't allow me to speak to her or even be in the car when he picks the kids up.

When his nan died, he told me I wasn't welcome at the funeral as his ex would be there. His sister and his mum still spend loads of time with his ex, play dates and dinners out, visiting each others homes etc. This is all fine and and get they've known each other a long time but it feels they only bother with me if they want me to do something like mind someone's children.

More than all this though...if he ever does answer the phone and he's out with me, she gets moody with him. I've heard her ask things like 'OH is zola with you this time'. She pretends I don't exist and I think he seems to do the same when he's with her. He doesn't really answer the phone when he's with her. I've seen her in the front of his car when we were in an argument but he always has a believable excuse.
Once she phoned him about 8 times in the morning while we were still in bed, when he answered she said oh I was worried you were going to sleep through X important work thing that I know you've got today. It just felt uncomfortable and not appropriate.

I wasn't the other woman, they split before I ever knew him. I'm worried there's more going on between them, or just that he's being ridiculously disrespectful to me as I've told him that I feel like the third wheel in the relationship. He never tells me anything about her or when they disagree on things etc so it feels like I'm always on the outside and they're a little family.

I understand he needs a relationship with her, but I don't think it's necessary that he spends hours in her house, and prioritises her to the detriment of our relationship.
Am I being overly sensitive? Is this inappropriate? Please give me some perspective!

OP posts:
Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:51

Karatema · 05/05/2023 14:23

Are you sure he's not put a tracking device either in your bag or in the car?

So many red flags - the ex is the least of your worries. Go before DV happens?

Best of luck and get back to work to help your MH get back on track.

This has been a worry of mine this week but I don't know how I'd know either way

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Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:52

Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 14:11

Do you know their relationship ended?

Yeah well I know his family and I live in his house and have been on holiday with their children etc

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Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:55

PaintedEgg · 05/05/2023 13:44

@Zola1 even the things you describe as your faults really show what kind of psycho HE IS

everyone gets snappy sometimes and when dealing with such a ridiculous behaviour as his, pulling faces is the most timid thing one can do

"not trusting you" for speaking to people - what sort of argument is this?! you can talk to whoever the hell you like and if he doesn't like he could leave...but he won't. instead he will prefer to continuously abuse and control you

Worst of all - you're scared of this bastard. You've said it yourself you worry he knows where you are. Get away from him and dont look back

I think I am scared of him because sometimes now I'm just too scared to do things that I think he mightnt like
By pulling faces I suppose I mean maybe a side eye or frowning
If he doesn't like my tone of voice I get a big lecture about how rude I am etc but he can kick furniture if I'm not listening or I make him angry, and he's thrown things near me and I'm supposed to just ignore that because he wouldn't do it if I didn't wind him up he says

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Oldnproud · 05/05/2023 18:05

Please listen to the advice you are being given- get yourself and your daughter out of there as soon as you can, and make sure you change all your passwords before he realizes what is happening.

Newestname002 · 05/05/2023 18:07

@Zola1

the joking violence thing is fairly new, I've had a few bruises etc from where he's pushed/dragged me 'jokingly' by my clothes into a wall etc, he just says oh you know id never hurt you I was only joking why are you being cranky

He is minimising the violence towards you and gaslighting you. Start keeping a secure log (date, time, when incident happened) on your work laptop. Password that file and name it something biting as if to do with work. Save a copy of that on a new iCloud account which also has a new, secure password. Take photos with your work mobile of the bruises and save them on your work laptop and the new iCloud account.

You might also want to speak to the non-emergency police number (101) from someone else's phone and tell them what you've told us so they can advise you and also have a record of what's going on so, if things get more scary and you need to call the emergency number at some stage there'll already be a flag against your name. Don't use your own car if you need to go to the police station - go with a family member or close friend.

With regards to the tracking on your phone and car: ask Women’s Aid how to get this checked when you speak to them.

Hopefully you won't need any of this eventually, but best to do what you can do to be safe. 🌹

Daleksatemyshed · 05/05/2023 18:30

Leave him Op, he's everything you don't need in a partner. Your MH is poor and he's making it worse to make sure you're not strong enough to leave him. He's paranoid about where you go and who you speak to but he puts his ex before you at every turn, I suspect he's keeping you in the dark because he stills has a sexual relationship with her which is why he won't let you hear his phone calls.
Please do yourself a massive favour and get away from him, he sounds a nasty piece of work

PaintedEgg · 05/05/2023 19:39

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:55

I think I am scared of him because sometimes now I'm just too scared to do things that I think he mightnt like
By pulling faces I suppose I mean maybe a side eye or frowning
If he doesn't like my tone of voice I get a big lecture about how rude I am etc but he can kick furniture if I'm not listening or I make him angry, and he's thrown things near me and I'm supposed to just ignore that because he wouldn't do it if I didn't wind him up he says

get the hell away from him - because one of those thing will eventually be thrown at you and if he is already going after your throat when angry then you are in genuine danger. he barely controls himself and im sure he will be very sorry, but it wont matter because you will be very dead once he snaps - and he will. this is a level of aggression that social workers deem to be of highest danger

Bapbap45 · 06/05/2023 08:41

I agree with the consensus. I'm a co-parent and that's not how we behave, it's not even how I'd want to behave with my ex. We're exes for a reason, we get on great but largely for the kids. I'm not really that interested in his life with his new partner, only how it impacts on my kids.

I'm wondering if he has a toxic hold over the ex too - perhaps she doesn't necessarily want this either?

Zola1 · 06/05/2023 09:59

Bapbap45 · 06/05/2023 08:41

I agree with the consensus. I'm a co-parent and that's not how we behave, it's not even how I'd want to behave with my ex. We're exes for a reason, we get on great but largely for the kids. I'm not really that interested in his life with his new partner, only how it impacts on my kids.

I'm wondering if he has a toxic hold over the ex too - perhaps she doesn't necessarily want this either?

I think you might be right.. I think he's potentially quite controlling to her still. We've fallen out before because I've heard him speaking to her horribly.
I wonder whether she doesn't even want him walking in and spending hours in her house. Or potentially whether he's leading her up the garden path that things are bad with me or something to keep a hold over her. Regardless I don't blame her for whatever is going on

OP posts:
Talkingmouse · 06/05/2023 13:27

Please leave now and please don’t have sex with this man again. Protect your children, and protect yourself

Zola1 · 06/05/2023 22:02

I tried to talk about the enmeshment with his ex..he basically just said I need to get over it as he's doing the minimal and doesn't see what he could change, and then started having a go about me doing things he doesn't like.

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PaintedEgg · 06/05/2023 22:24

just leave him, you will feel immediately better

Daisydu · 06/05/2023 22:26

Zola1 · 06/05/2023 22:02

I tried to talk about the enmeshment with his ex..he basically just said I need to get over it as he's doing the minimal and doesn't see what he could change, and then started having a go about me doing things he doesn't like.

You don’t deserve to be treated like this. Leave this horrible man.

TakingTheCake · 06/05/2023 23:15

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 13:30

Thank you all for taking the time to read and reply, I really do appreciate it.
Since we met I feel like he's just ruined my confidence, I used to be so happy and full of energy and now I can barely go to asda in case someone speaks to me.
I know I'm not perfect and I've done things to make it worse. Sometimes I don't speak my nicest to him or I pull faces and that escalates things. Sometimes I've maintained contact with people he didn't want me to talk to and that's meant he doesn't trust me
I've had issues with self harm over the years and when I had a slip during my mental health crisis last year (it wasn't great but it wasn't bad and it wasn't attention seeking or anything) he decided the best way to deal with it was to make me watch him cut himself with a razor to show me he would do it worse. He tracked me on Christmas day when I was dropping my dad off at home and rang me shouting that I'd gone into my sisters house.
He calls me a psycho, deluded etc and it's hurtful because I'm off for mental health reasons but like...I'm ok. I'm not psychotic I've just been sad.

The person who asked about family...yes I'm very lucky in that my mum and sister are super supportive and both hate him so I could go to either of them. I think I need to.
I worry sometimes that he has a way to know where I am as he just seems to know everything, I get that anxious sometimes I turn my phone off in case he can hear me or something while he's at work.

This is actually quite upsetting to read. Possibly because the part about being spoken to in Asda is all to relatable to me.

Everything with his ex is wildly inappropriate.

Everything about his behaviour towards you is wildly inappropriate!

You should be able to go to Asda, and if anyone speaks to you, well - it's a non event! Unless something funny or interesting happens that you feel like sharing with a partner later.

I remember how this feels, being scared anyone would talk to me as I worried how I would explain it later.

You do not need to explain yourself to anyone. You do not owe your thoughts, private conversations, personal information, to anyone!

I definitely think LTB. But more than that I really want to empathize with you.

You deserve to be treated with respect.

EliflurtleTripanInfinite · 06/05/2023 23:41

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 17:50

Thanks...the joking violence thing is fairly new, I've had a few bruises etc from where he's pushed/dragged me 'jokingly' by my clothes into a wall etc, he just says oh you know id never hurt you I was only joking why are you being cranky

This is scary, the joky violence and especially the hands round the neck. The fact you can't see the violence is completely wrong shows that he's got you deep in the fog, fear, obligation, guilt. There's some good advice from the poster above. Start taking little steps, call women's aid, tell someone you can trust, do you have your own account or some way to save a little money without him knowing? Don't let him know anything till you're gone. It feels overwhelming and impossible at first, but you can get out of there. Don't focus on leaving, think of the first step I'd suggest calling women's aid from someone else phone and focus on that, when that's done do the next step. It doesn't feel so big this way. You deserve so much better than this.

Zola1 · 18/05/2023 05:51

I have done it. I've moved out and we are staying with my Mum.
I'm on day 4 and I've woken up struggling so much. The last few days have been awful, he came to my work and shouted at me and swore at me, he waited for me somewhere I knew I had to pick my daughter up, and he rang me over 40 times. I keep telling him I don't want to talk, he's gone quiet since yesterday afternoon. The silence is harder. I feel so sad.

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Oldnproud · 18/05/2023 06:36

Well done for making that move.

His awful behaviour since you moved out just proves that you have done the right thing.

Stay strong and remember that how you feel right now is only temporary - you have had a taste of what your future with him would have been like, and know in your heart that you and your DD deserve so much more, so hold onto that.
💐 💐 💐

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 18/05/2023 07:24

Well done OP. You must stay away from him, please please think of your daughter. He has treated you like absolute shit and is incredibly abusive. Get through the next few weeks then start working on you. You need to figure out why you stayed in such a shit show. I said earlier in the thread but why would YOU stay with someone who was so enmeshed with his ex? I cannot comprehend doing that to myself. Good luck and stay strong.

Newestname002 · 18/05/2023 07:24

Thank goodness @Zola1 - well done!! It must have been hard for you to get to the stage of leaving your abuser but how great that you have family support. I'm sure there will be days that are hard but there's light at the end of the tunnel. Sending you strength and best wishes for a better future. 🌹

AgnesX · 18/05/2023 07:30

Zola1 · 18/05/2023 05:51

I have done it. I've moved out and we are staying with my Mum.
I'm on day 4 and I've woken up struggling so much. The last few days have been awful, he came to my work and shouted at me and swore at me, he waited for me somewhere I knew I had to pick my daughter up, and he rang me over 40 times. I keep telling him I don't want to talk, he's gone quiet since yesterday afternoon. The silence is harder. I feel so sad.

Another well done for leaving. Not an easy situation to be in. Your work colleagues should be nothing but sympathetic.

Hang in there!

Hellno45 · 18/05/2023 07:59

Zola1 · 18/05/2023 05:51

I have done it. I've moved out and we are staying with my Mum.
I'm on day 4 and I've woken up struggling so much. The last few days have been awful, he came to my work and shouted at me and swore at me, he waited for me somewhere I knew I had to pick my daughter up, and he rang me over 40 times. I keep telling him I don't want to talk, he's gone quiet since yesterday afternoon. The silence is harder. I feel so sad.

You are doing great @Zola1. Now you need to stay strong. Don't forget why you have left. Once you leave a relationship its easy to romanticise and forget the reality of the relationship. If he harasses, coning to your work ir calling you, you then you need to report that to the police.

It would be worth you doing the freedom programme

https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/online.php

I think you can get it free from domestic abuse charities. Also, it might be worth contacting woman's aid if you need support.

The Freedom Programme Online Course

The Freedom Programme online course. Online version of the Home Study course and Living with the Dominator book by Pat Craven

https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/online.php

Zola1 · 18/05/2023 08:31

Thank you all xx
We will get there...its just so hard

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autienotnaughtym · 18/05/2023 08:46

Just read your post thank goodness you left. Not a healthy relationship at all. Easier to get out now befor your lives become too enmeshed

Ofcourseshecan · 18/05/2023 08:55

PurpleBugz · 05/05/2023 10:33

You should end it for the weird co parenting yes.

But more importantly you should end it because from your further comments is clear he's emotionally abusive

This, 100%.

Nowstrong · 18/05/2023 11:03

Well done OP!! Stay strong. You can do this. DO NOT GO BACK!! It will only be worse. Whatever he promises.

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