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Co parenting...confusion

85 replies

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 08:14

If you co parent with an ex, what sort of things do you do together and how much time do you spend together?
If you partner co parents with an ex, what sort of expectations do you have around it?

For reference, I'm talking about 50 50 shared care of young children (under 9).

Do you, for example, go on trips out together leaving your partner at home? Do you spend time in ex partners home? How much phone contact do you have? Does your ex partner still ask you to help with things? (such as their car- not lifts for the kids).

Would you sit in your ex partners house overnight when they just got back from holiday while they and the kids were asleep?

What about birthdays, would you go round there to play happy families after the child has already opened their presents from you, to see them open their presents from their other parent?
What about phone calls and facetime, how often is this reasonable?

I'm current partner.. my other half seems to just spend a lot of time with his ex. I found a 'mummy' sock in the washing before that isn't mine, he claims oldest child was wearing it. She rings him all the time it feels like, and he goes to the extent of pulling the car over and getting out to talk to her so I can't hear, even though I've told him it feels weird and cagey.

She doesn't come to our house when I'm here, but he goes to hers and just lets himself in, he still has a key that he uses, and he told me even when he takes the kids back to her he just opens the door and lets himself in. The other day we argued and I had to drive past his exs to do school run, and his car was outside his exs. For her birthday she sent him a list of things like new bedding, charm for bracelet etc for herself that she wanted and he ordered it. There was a time he told me he was in a work meeting but when I drove past hers (she lives on an A road which is the only route to work for me) his car was outside her house and he wasn't in it.

He will say he's going to pick the kids up but be at her house for 1 or 2 hours.
Yesterday was one childs birthday, child opened presents at our house and then we went out together (polling so school closed). Partner then took child to exs house and spent 3 hours there..apparently while child opened presents etc. Am I wrong to think if we have time with child here opening his presents, his mum should have the same one to one time with her child? She doesn't come here at all ever. I've never met her. She pretends I'm not real and even ignores me if she sees me in the street. Partner doesn't allow me to speak to her or even be in the car when he picks the kids up.

When his nan died, he told me I wasn't welcome at the funeral as his ex would be there. His sister and his mum still spend loads of time with his ex, play dates and dinners out, visiting each others homes etc. This is all fine and and get they've known each other a long time but it feels they only bother with me if they want me to do something like mind someone's children.

More than all this though...if he ever does answer the phone and he's out with me, she gets moody with him. I've heard her ask things like 'OH is zola with you this time'. She pretends I don't exist and I think he seems to do the same when he's with her. He doesn't really answer the phone when he's with her. I've seen her in the front of his car when we were in an argument but he always has a believable excuse.
Once she phoned him about 8 times in the morning while we were still in bed, when he answered she said oh I was worried you were going to sleep through X important work thing that I know you've got today. It just felt uncomfortable and not appropriate.

I wasn't the other woman, they split before I ever knew him. I'm worried there's more going on between them, or just that he's being ridiculously disrespectful to me as I've told him that I feel like the third wheel in the relationship. He never tells me anything about her or when they disagree on things etc so it feels like I'm always on the outside and they're a little family.

I understand he needs a relationship with her, but I don't think it's necessary that he spends hours in her house, and prioritises her to the detriment of our relationship.
Am I being overly sensitive? Is this inappropriate? Please give me some perspective!

OP posts:
Whichnumbers · 05/05/2023 08:23

He’s not over the relationship ending and is making sure he is still present in her life.

co parenting should be cooperative and cordial, and obviously everyone is different, but if you’re excluded then this isn’t an ok situation

Bamboozleme · 05/05/2023 08:25

Depends entirely on relationship with ex

I am very close to mine (he’s coming over for coffee this afternoon. Children will be at school!)

so we do a lot together all of us.

but if you can’t stand your ex… then would be different

PaintedEgg · 05/05/2023 08:29

no, this is not normal. and this woman is still thinking she is more inportantly then his new partner - while he definitely shows her that she is

if he wants a new relationship then there should be no excluding new partner, staying at ex's house and wiping her ass for her

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 08:44

So as not to drip feed, we've been together 3 years so it isn't a new relationship. I do all kinds for his kids, baths, meals, laundry, bedtimes etc.. I feel like I'm just treated kind of like the help. He does plenty of house stuff too but it just winds me up that I'm basically an au pair who can't be seen or heard.
There are other issues too. He can be quite controlling..suggests particular outfits are disrespectful, has a go if I take my phone in the bathroom when I get a bath, wants to be prioritised above all my family and friends and gets in a mood and sulks if I visit someone else on a Saturday etc, counts the hours I was gone. Has read my messages and emails. Checked my phone bill and call log. Read my work teams messages. Has to know my passwords even though I don't know his.. I can't have privacy to speak to, say, a debt company as 'zola you're being suspicious what are you trying to hide' but he won't even speak to his ex in front of me.

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PaintedEgg · 05/05/2023 08:52

Maybe he's projecting? I will do a typical online thing and go straight for nuclear conclusion, but he is probably cheating. Maybe with her, maybe with someone else, but sounds like he is trying to avoid being treated like he treats you

CurlewKate · 05/05/2023 09:06

I don't think co parenting is the issue here-he sounds like a nightmare. Are you sure you want to be with him? What does he do that makes you happy. And-as an aside. Why are you talking to debt companies? Are there financial issues as well?

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 09:12

CurlewKate · 05/05/2023 09:06

I don't think co parenting is the issue here-he sounds like a nightmare. Are you sure you want to be with him? What does he do that makes you happy. And-as an aside. Why are you talking to debt companies? Are there financial issues as well?

Yes but the financial issues have been mine, I've suffered with poor mental health over the last 12 months (I've reported historic sexual abuse to Police and its been relatively hard to manage, I've had about 4 months off work but returning next week). Due to this I've ignored a couple of things I shouldn't have so ended up with a few stupid things like a big fine for forgetting to pay a toll road fee etc.
I think he maybe is a bit of a nightmare.
The other current issue is my return to work, he keeps telling me he doesn't think im ready and using words like "I think you're going to crash and burn". I'm more successful than him at work and I know/think he has career envy so while he says his reservation comes from caring, I'm not so sure. I am much better, I'm on medication, I'm stable, I'm looking after myself much better, and I know I'm ready but he makes me doubt it all of the time.
He also tells me I'm not a nice person and says things like 'imagine what a human would do in this situation zola and just do that'.
Sometimes he is wonderful, caring, kind...but more so if I'm low. He wants to be in a position of being above me.

OP posts:
pecanpie101 · 05/05/2023 09:13

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Mumoftwoinprimary · 05/05/2023 09:20

Oh - for fuck’s sake - he is awful. Just end the relationship. Once you have got through the difficult “ending” bit, I bet you anything your mental health will massively improve.

Mumof4alsoabonus · 05/05/2023 09:21

No, none of this is normal or ok. He’s still in a relationship with his ex, and is probably controlling her like he is you. The other stuff is even worse. Get away from him.

PaintedEgg · 05/05/2023 09:22

He sounds absolutely awful - his messy co-parenting is not even his biggest issue, he just sounds like a gaslighting, jealous asshole

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 09:59

Thank you all... sometimes things seem so different when you see answers from anonymous strangers with no vested interest 😔

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PurpleBugz · 05/05/2023 10:33

You should end it for the weird co parenting yes.

But more importantly you should end it because from your further comments is clear he's emotionally abusive

Epidote · 05/05/2023 10:46

It is not about co parenting as PP said he is not giving you the right place in his life. Ignoring your calls, liying to you, controlling your mail, clothes etc. You should not be copping with that. I know it is not easy to break or to continue a relationship but at least you have identified the big problem in the picture and that is that his actitud towards you is not the actitud a partner should have.

SpringleDingle · 05/05/2023 11:06

He is horrid!!! Controlling, belittling, not supportive and over involved with his ex. Yuck!

SomePosters · 05/05/2023 11:14

Please don’t allow him to continue treating you this way.

You deserve to feel valued and respected by the person who says they love you.

Daftapath · 05/05/2023 12:41

You are in an abusive relationship. He is so very controlling.

I wonder if all his contact with his ex is his way of still controlling her too?

Daisydu · 05/05/2023 12:47

How long have you put up with this shit for?!?! Don’t know where to begin here..

Daisydu · 05/05/2023 12:49

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 09:12

Yes but the financial issues have been mine, I've suffered with poor mental health over the last 12 months (I've reported historic sexual abuse to Police and its been relatively hard to manage, I've had about 4 months off work but returning next week). Due to this I've ignored a couple of things I shouldn't have so ended up with a few stupid things like a big fine for forgetting to pay a toll road fee etc.
I think he maybe is a bit of a nightmare.
The other current issue is my return to work, he keeps telling me he doesn't think im ready and using words like "I think you're going to crash and burn". I'm more successful than him at work and I know/think he has career envy so while he says his reservation comes from caring, I'm not so sure. I am much better, I'm on medication, I'm stable, I'm looking after myself much better, and I know I'm ready but he makes me doubt it all of the time.
He also tells me I'm not a nice person and says things like 'imagine what a human would do in this situation zola and just do that'.
Sometimes he is wonderful, caring, kind...but more so if I'm low. He wants to be in a position of being above me.

Honestly how he’s treating you is disgusting. Run. Get out. Don’t look back!

ThirdWorld · 05/05/2023 12:56

Oh darling. Please run, run as fast as you can. Your poor mental health will not get any better being with this abusive asshole.

Do you have family you can stay with?

HowcanIhelp123 · 05/05/2023 13:02

OP, get out of that relationship YESTERDAY.

Coparents can be friends. I know someone who gets on very well with their ex, they even go on holidays together with their respective partners without the kids now they're older and have left home. All perfectly normal.

But your DP is awful. None of them treat you with respect and he is not sticking up for you at all. He's jealous and possessive. Often people project with their behaviour. The fact he's so obsessed with your passwords etc while protecting his is 1) abusive, 2) a sign theres something on his he is scared shitless you see. You're convenient childcare, housekeeper and sex on tap to him, not his equal partner. He's a horrible person belittling you and destroying your confidence so you won't realise you are worth so much more than him.

Newestname002 · 05/05/2023 13:20

HowcanIhelp123 · 05/05/2023 13:02

OP, get out of that relationship YESTERDAY.

Coparents can be friends. I know someone who gets on very well with their ex, they even go on holidays together with their respective partners without the kids now they're older and have left home. All perfectly normal.

But your DP is awful. None of them treat you with respect and he is not sticking up for you at all. He's jealous and possessive. Often people project with their behaviour. The fact he's so obsessed with your passwords etc while protecting his is 1) abusive, 2) a sign theres something on his he is scared shitless you see. You're convenient childcare, housekeeper and sex on tap to him, not his equal partner. He's a horrible person belittling you and destroying your confidence so you won't realise you are worth so much more than him.

I agree with all of this, sadly.

Please please get away from this unpleasant man. He won't get better - quite the reverse once you go back to work and your focus is less on him, servicing his needs and looking after his children.

Do ensure you have money you can access easily (in an online account he can't access. It's not unknown for partners to clean out bank accounts to punish their partners) and if you leave - as you should - change ALL your passwords to something he cant possibly guess. Be discreet when making plans to leave - keep yourself and your arrangements safe. Good luck for the future. 🌹

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 13:30

Thank you all for taking the time to read and reply, I really do appreciate it.
Since we met I feel like he's just ruined my confidence, I used to be so happy and full of energy and now I can barely go to asda in case someone speaks to me.
I know I'm not perfect and I've done things to make it worse. Sometimes I don't speak my nicest to him or I pull faces and that escalates things. Sometimes I've maintained contact with people he didn't want me to talk to and that's meant he doesn't trust me
I've had issues with self harm over the years and when I had a slip during my mental health crisis last year (it wasn't great but it wasn't bad and it wasn't attention seeking or anything) he decided the best way to deal with it was to make me watch him cut himself with a razor to show me he would do it worse. He tracked me on Christmas day when I was dropping my dad off at home and rang me shouting that I'd gone into my sisters house.
He calls me a psycho, deluded etc and it's hurtful because I'm off for mental health reasons but like...I'm ok. I'm not psychotic I've just been sad.

The person who asked about family...yes I'm very lucky in that my mum and sister are super supportive and both hate him so I could go to either of them. I think I need to.
I worry sometimes that he has a way to know where I am as he just seems to know everything, I get that anxious sometimes I turn my phone off in case he can hear me or something while he's at work.

OP posts:
whitebreadjamsandwich · 05/05/2023 13:37

He is being horribly abusive to you. Leave him before he shatters what is left of your self worth

Bigpinktrain · 05/05/2023 13:43

Zola1 · 05/05/2023 13:30

Thank you all for taking the time to read and reply, I really do appreciate it.
Since we met I feel like he's just ruined my confidence, I used to be so happy and full of energy and now I can barely go to asda in case someone speaks to me.
I know I'm not perfect and I've done things to make it worse. Sometimes I don't speak my nicest to him or I pull faces and that escalates things. Sometimes I've maintained contact with people he didn't want me to talk to and that's meant he doesn't trust me
I've had issues with self harm over the years and when I had a slip during my mental health crisis last year (it wasn't great but it wasn't bad and it wasn't attention seeking or anything) he decided the best way to deal with it was to make me watch him cut himself with a razor to show me he would do it worse. He tracked me on Christmas day when I was dropping my dad off at home and rang me shouting that I'd gone into my sisters house.
He calls me a psycho, deluded etc and it's hurtful because I'm off for mental health reasons but like...I'm ok. I'm not psychotic I've just been sad.

The person who asked about family...yes I'm very lucky in that my mum and sister are super supportive and both hate him so I could go to either of them. I think I need to.
I worry sometimes that he has a way to know where I am as he just seems to know everything, I get that anxious sometimes I turn my phone off in case he can hear me or something while he's at work.

Imagine your sister was telling you these things- what would you say to her?