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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD: support thread 8

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Daftasabroom · 12/04/2023 11:55

New thread.

This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of mixed NT/ND partnerships. It is a support thread, and a safe space to have a bit of a rant. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner. (ASD partners welcome to lurk or pop in, but please don't argue with other posters and tell them they are wrong)

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Forgoodnesssakemeagain · 02/07/2023 20:41

Still Struggling as dh sees things in such a different matter to me and argues in an intellectual way I feel as though I’m going mad. Earlier we had a disagreement as he became moody about something silly so I told him and he stomped off. I went to see him and he said he wasn’t moody. Then he said he was annoyed. And when we spoke again and I said just admit you were moody over something small and he then said he wasn’t moody he was fine. I told him he had said he was annoyed and he said yes I was annoyed. I said he was playing with words whether it be annoyed or moody. Not sure anyone understands this but it’s driving me mad. He is so defensive and grumpy I feel it’s sucking the life out of me!

mangothief · 02/07/2023 21:38

My DH calls thst ‘making drama’. Ok for him to sulk, stomp, slam cupboards, stonewall etc if he’s in a mood but if I call him in it, I’m the problem. I think he thinks none of it is a mood unless he actually uses words to say.

Daftasabroom · 02/07/2023 22:17

Yesterday I got reprimanded for buying €1,20 of spinach. In some ways the big over the top dramas I can deal with, but why make a fuss over a bag of spinach? It's the relentlessness of all these perceived micro transgressions and the self centered reaction to them that is so wearing.

AS DS and AS DW squabbling over the aircon (20C vs 19C) for two hours today was something to behold.

(I know the answer; DW wasn't expecting spinach in the shopping so couldn't deal with it. And DW can't imagine why anyone doesn't want to be at exactly the same temperature ad her
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SpecialMangeTout · 03/07/2023 10:23

@Forgoodnesssakemeagain I’m wondering if your DH doesn’t struggle to identify (his) emotions and put a label on them.

Also, if I ask DH such a direct question, the answer is always ‘I’m fine’. He’ll deny being angry, frustrated or resentful if out in the spot. I think it’s a protection mechanism so he’ll deny any negative emotion.

He’ll agree with the anger/resentment part when we talk about at a different time, when everyone is calmer etc… And even then, I still think he is only able to identify a narrow range of emotions.

SpecialMangeTout · 03/07/2023 10:27

Also re the counsellor….

My dh is extremely good at staying calm in the middle if the storm.
So if we have an argument, he’ll keep quiet (or goes in a rabbit in the headlight state)
If you put him in front if a counsellor, he’ll look calm and collected from the outside.
Me on the other side will be emotional. You’ll hear the anger in my voice. I might be crying etc… I ended up feeling I was the one out if line for being so emotional and irrational.

Im wondering if something like this isn’t happening here too. And if you both don’t need to have some individual sessions with her to discuss the situation.

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Forgoodnesssakemeagain · 03/07/2023 10:48

SpecialMangeTout · 03/07/2023 10:27

Also re the counsellor….

My dh is extremely good at staying calm in the middle if the storm.
So if we have an argument, he’ll keep quiet (or goes in a rabbit in the headlight state)
If you put him in front if a counsellor, he’ll look calm and collected from the outside.
Me on the other side will be emotional. You’ll hear the anger in my voice. I might be crying etc… I ended up feeling I was the one out if line for being so emotional and irrational.

Im wondering if something like this isn’t happening here too. And if you both don’t need to have some individual sessions with her to discuss the situation.

Yes to both! I feel the counsellor thinks it’s me as he is so calm and reasonable when we go as I’m the one with the emotional response. He says things that happened but it’s not what actually happened so does make me look bad. Which then fuels my anger in there and I look so at fault!
i need to step back when we go this week and try to talk things through calmer otherwise I don’t think she will see really what’s going on although I doubt it anyway.

the video was spot on!

WhichPage · 03/07/2023 13:37

Struggling so came here
to seek some support but I see so many of you have had similar struggles lately (and always)

Does solidarity and understanding help… because you have mine.

I have favourited so many of your posts as they validate my experiences and validation of my experience DOES NOT HAPPEN in my marriage. Quite the opposite of I ever crack and admit sadness at something someone said or did I am soundly updated as to why my opinion is wrong, why they had a point and how I always do such and such. God forbid that i mention he has said something upsetting!!!

I am exhausted by the constant scrutiny of my actions, correction and reframing of MY FEELINGS and MY EXPERIENCES, narrow narrow paths with cliffs either side in using shared resources (eg like electricity as a fairly benign example given we have solar and house batteries and the minuscule difference delaying the dishwasher
will make in the 15 year payback because apparently it’s not about that WhichPage it’s about saving the planet.)

Such a pity its like 👍🏻 having a drawing pin stuck in my foot on the best beach holiday ever as logically everything is great in our life these days.

ahhh logic has no place in the face of emotion ☹️

(see Brooms spinach post above)

Daftasabroom · 04/07/2023 22:16

@WhichPage we're closing out our best ever holiday. But so, so so, many totally unnecessary minor dramas. Just enough to take the shine off things.

AS DS has been marvelous company, he's really comfortable saying "I need some time out" or "count me out I'm going to meditate".

As my gran used to say "it's a funny old world".

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swaninbay · 05/07/2023 13:36

I found this thread recently and have been reading in complete understanding. What a road we walk. The partners appear great, serious, hard working, yet, yet yet. My biggest gripe is that he never ever asks me anything about myself. No, how was your day, what happened at your doctor appointment, did you enjoy yourself with your friends. Nothing. I have said to him so many times how important this is to me, to make me feel he cares. He tries, does it once, then never again. I thought , ok maybe he's ASD, and he can't. Yet as the boys got older and came home from school. He would be, have a good day at school. And asks them how their day went. That really hurts.

swaninbay · 05/07/2023 13:48

And re the counselor

Omg yes, he does this. He comes over as extremely calm while I am all emotional. We went through some extremely difficult times getting DS diagnosed ASD, and many many 'professionals' were involved. One actually said to him, wow you're so calm . But he does this thing, which I am now wise to, and do not fall for anymore. He would tell me something that a teacher or a 'professional' said about DS, he would be really upset about it to me. Then he sits back while I, fire off emails, phone calls about this issue, that he wound me up about. Reinforcing that I'm the crazy over emotional one.

Not anymore, I now say, why don't you follow up about that .

He never does.

Dappy55 · 05/07/2023 20:57

Swanin...I used yo be used to fire thd bullets too! I've completely disengaged now and just so 'oh' when I hear about the latest travesty. Quite liberating. I'm seriously not in a good place and regretting my life choices but that is one small triumph

Gatehouse77 · 06/07/2023 07:27

DH can't decide if he wants to stay (home being where he inevitably ends up when the shit hits the fan) or run away (within moments of being home).

We are flip-flopping between the 'plan' for the future we've come up with collaboratively (and how to manage that for the next 2-3 years) and his desire to live a nomadic lifestyle on his own.

I've asked that we look at the implications of what would be our individual financial positions if we decide to go our own ways. I can't keep doing crisis management of his mood swings when the crux of it isn't being resolved.

Ironically, he talks about me, and the family, being his tether to stop him going all over the place but I see that tether as holding him back from what he truly wants. To be free of all responsibility (particularly financial) from me and the children. Which he'll deny but mostly, I believe, because he feel guilty for feeling like that.

I'm running out of reasons to keep going but, truthfully, am just as scared of a future on my own as he is.

mangothief · 06/07/2023 11:53

That sounds so familiar. Mine resents is and thinks we’re a burden but if we go, he’s at loose end, and when he goes, he’s still lost.

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ontetwo3 · 07/07/2023 10:18

I was going to start a new thread, but since my husband's primary needs are related to autism, I thought I would post here.

My husband and I have been married for 25 years. However, we have live apart (not separated in the legal or emotional sense) for eight years. Although we have lived apart, we have met every day, communicated multiple times a day, and helped to support our (now adult) sons, and our elderly parents.

In December, my husband experienced something similar to a mini-stroke and spent a week in hospital. During his stay, it was discovered that he has serious hardening of the arteries. He is now on quite a cocktail of medication. When he was discharged, he found it difficult to cope, could not manage his medication (I helped him and prompted him) and became very reclusive. He also seemed to deteriorate with respect to his physical and mental health.

In February, he took an o/d and was admitted into hospital. For about a month he was obviously very ill and was experiencing psychosis.

He is about to be discharged from hospital into a care home in a city that is easy for me to commute to. I will be able to see him there about three times a week (due to work and other caring commitments).

Yet, he is not the 'same' man as he was prior to the episode in December. He seems so much older (he is 64). All professionals seem to agree that he really needs the care and support available in the residential home. He cannot drive and he 'shuffles' when he walks. He does not shop (shopping is encouraged on the ward), but rather waits for people to buy him food and cook it for him.

However, there is a small part of me that thinks that although he has had physical and mental crises, he is perhaps adopting the role of a 'patient', an 'older person' or 'someone in need of care'. This may not be something he is doing consciously, but, throughout his life he has masked and played roles (like many autistic people of our generation). I fear that, once he gets into the care home, he will adopt whatever persona he feels matches that environment.

Another part of me feels that he really needs this environment or he will simply neglect himself, isolate himself and his MH difficulties will escalate again. Yet even with this reasoning, I feel something has fundamentally changed in our marriage and I will become a visiting relative rather than a wife.

The reason why I am posting here is that I feel the adopting and conforming to certain identities (patient, resident, disabled and so on) is something that some autistic people do particularly well, as a survival mechanism. Yet, often, the new role overtakes any old role (e.g. husband, father, potential partner in later life) .

I think that, if this happens, really the marriage will, essentially, be over. Yet it feels cruel to think of moving on (not in the sense of another relationship) when he is so vulnerable.

Sorry for the ramble. It is just good to write this down.

bunhead1979 · 07/07/2023 13:27

Gosh @ontetwo3 what a difficult situation. I would agree about your theory about "roles" and yes I agree that is probably already happening and a new role could be assumed in a new environment. As you say, a coping mechanism but very hard for those around who miss the original person. When my DH went in to hospital he absolutely loved having such a simple life where no difficult situations arose and he was fully looked after, it really hurt that he didn't want to come home and didn't ever want to be "the responsible one" again because he had become "an ill person" (despite the fact I actually am an ill person with long term chronic health problems).

Please don't feel cruel, you are allowed to feel how you feel and you have obviously had to work through a lot already both with and without your husband, you are allowed to live as well and it sounds like you already give a lot in terms of other people, please don't be hard on yourself. You really need to look after your own needs first and foremost, when you work out what they are (easier said than done!). Welcome to the thread x

classicslove · 13/07/2023 18:02

Hi all, as some of you know I'm currently undergoing cancer treatment. I'm getting through it ok at the moment but it's really thrown into focus all the things that are lacking in my relationship with my husband.
He is obviously upset at the diagnosis but is totally unable to offer any kind of emotional support. He still lives in his bedroom, asks me how I am in the morning and when he gets home from work but doesn't really listen to the answer and certainly doesn't want to spend more than a minute or so talking (or rather listening to me).
He realises that he is unable to help in some ways and said to me he will do what he can but that I will have to tell him exactly what I want him to do as he wont know otherwise.
But the reality of this is that I still have to organise everything for myself, for example,organise all lifts to appointments, as he doesn't drive, and asking if he can organise a lift is not precise enough. This unfortunately covers so many aspects of life.
I get out as much as I can to see others which always helps but this is not always possible now and I feel very alone so much of the time.
Just needed to tell people that would understand, others would think he was unfeeling but he just can't cope with anything that upsets the rythem of his life.
Wish I had made different choices when I was able.

SpecialMangeTout · 13/07/2023 20:20

((Hugs)) @classicslove

Its crap.

At least he realises his own limitations. But if ‘organise a lift for me’ isn’t precise enough, they are nit limitations aren’t they :(

I hope you are getting support from other places/friends/family. Flowers

SweetSakura · 13/07/2023 20:25

@classicslove I am sorry, it must throw everything into focus at a time like this.

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bunhead1979 · 14/07/2023 08:32

Oh @classicslove i’m glad you came back, i have been thinking of you, but i’m so sorry about how things are. I know where you’re coming from my partner has been no useful support during my illness, and it just drives you in to a deep fantasy of a partner who can just seemlessly “take over” and the resulting sadness of realising its not going to happen.

wishing you lots of strength and do keep posting x

classicslove · 14/07/2023 16:33

Thank you so much for your messages. It means so much to know there are people that understand.
I think one of the hardest things is that I really want to tell him exactly how I feel and how upsetting it is to effecively be ignored for the majority of the time, but I know it is pointless even trying. All he will hear is criticism of him, how hes not good enough and he will withdraw even further.
This inability to even try to understand what I'm going through is soul destroying.
I will keep posting here as the support is wonderful.
@bluetick I think you are spot on, I need to think ahead to the future and imagine what life could be like in my own space. Being alone is far better than the loneliness of life at the moment.

Daftasabroom · 14/07/2023 17:00

@classicslove my thoughts are with you, I'm wishing you the best in your treatment.

Comments re roles really struck a chord, and I've posted before about societal expectations. I wonder whether there is the possibility of a chronic form of masking that is effectively role play based on perceived societal expectations.

Chronic roles being different to acute masking.

So the role might be; dedicated career grafter, infatuated lover, parent, etc.

I think all of us, ND and NT are susceptible to this but if a person's instinct is to mask perhaps this could be an extensive rather than intensive form of masking?

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