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New Man - feel weird and awkward after last night.

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EasterEggs22 · 09/04/2023 12:52

Morning all. I’ve been following the relationships board for a while now and have seen some great advice given to others, so I’m hoping you can all help me too. Hopefully this makes sense..

I recently started seeing/meeting up with a man that I met off tinder around a month ago. Very early days I know. For context, I’m 26 and he’s 32, no kids and both work full time. We’ve met around 9-10 times at various locations for walks, food and coffee dates (last night was the first time at my house) as we live over an hour away from each other, but both of us drive so it’s not really an issue. We get on very well, have lots in common, he makes me laugh, seems really kind and sweet (last night he turned up with a bunch of flowers and an Easter egg in hand). I do like him and have enjoyed spending time with him over the last few weeks.

Last night didn’t go to plan at all and I’ve woken up this morning feeling really disappointed about it. He was working until 1pm and then decided to go and play golf with a friend for a few hours afterwards. He didn’t actually get to my house until 8pm. I’d gone out to the shops and bought us some bits to have for tea, so I was just waiting around for him. By the time he arrived it was too late to actually do anything other than have food and watch a film. I wrongly presumed that he was staying the night as he didn’t arrive until late, had a long drive back and also brought a bag filled with clothes. We went up to bed around 10 and had sex for the first time. For context, I’m not on any contraceptives at the minute as I’ve been single for 3 years and haven’t had sex in over a year, so I bought some condoms yesterday just in case.

I explained this to him before we started having sex and he put a condom on. We got a bit carried away and (sorry, TMI) he took the condom off in between us having sex so I could give him a blowjob but we stupidly forgot/didn’t put the condom back on to have sex again. He pulled out to ejaculate, but I know that there is pre ejaculation to consider. He was in a panic straight afterwards, saying he was worried I might get pregnant, he’s not ready for kids yet. I told him I would buy the morning after pill (ordered it online in front of him) and said try not to worry. He told me that he’d dated/slept with women in the past who lied and said they were pregnant just to keep the relationship going, so he was worried it might happen again (I won’t lie, this comment pissed me off because it felt like he was accusing me of doing something like that). For context, I don’t want kids yet either. I actually became pregnant when I was 15 with my first boyfriend and suffered a miscarriage at 12 weeks. It changed my life and I’ve always said I don’t want kids until I’ve met the right person/been with them a long time. Even though this is very personal to me and I don’t talk about it very often, if ever, I told him as I thought it might reassure him that I don’t want children yet and that I’m not out to trap him with a baby or whatever he was thinking. This wasn’t good enough though as he just kept going on about it all night, even though I’d done everything I could (ordering the pill) in that moment.

Anyway, the rest of the night was so bloody awkward. We just lay in bed watching tv, barely spoke a word to each other, other than him asking me about when the shop would be open again so I could pick up the pill. He didn’t even touch me/cuddle me after sex, and then announced at 11 that he was going home as he needed to be up early the next morning to visit his cousin. I told him he could stay over and just get up earlier if that was easier but he said he didn’t want to wake me up really early. I think that was an excuse though just so he could get out. I’ve woken up this morning to an email from the doctor at Superdrug authorising the order but it won’t be available until Tuesday to collect. I naively thought it would be ready by tomorrow, and I’m due to go away tomorrow night for work and won’t be back until late Tuesday evening, so I have sent a message to the doctor explaining all of this. The only thing I can do is go in there tomorrow to see if I can speak to someone, and maybe try Boots as well.

I’ve told him all of this, and we have been speaking as normal today but it still feels really awkward. It’s not the way I thought the night would go, especially since it was our first time having sex. But I do understand his worries. I wonder if he feels awkward too. I’m also concerned that every time we’ve met up it’s always been during the evening for a few hours. Not that I think he’s after me for just sex, because we’ve spent time doing other things too, but he always goes out with his friends after work and then meets me in the evening for a few hours. Today he’s gone out with his friend, and tomorrow he’s decided to take an extra shift at work, and didn’t bother to ask me what I was doing/or if I wanted to do anything with him. I’ve only just noticed this because I normally work until 5pm, so meeting up at night has worked really well for us so far, but I’ve been off work this week and it’s been the same thing. I’m worried it will be like this on weekends, and I don’t want a relationship where we just see each other for a few hours at night. I want to go out and do things together during the day as well. He has been really trying this morning to keep the conversation going, but I’m worried he’s just doing that until I get the pill and then he’s going to end things. Should I get in there first and let him know I don’t think it’s going to work out, but will obviously let him know when I’ve collected and taken the tablet? I do really like him, and feel so disappointed it’s ended up like this.

Sorry, this thread is a lot longer than I expected but I didn’t want to drip feed and there are a few issues to think about.

TIA

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Kittensat36 · 12/04/2023 19:55

All that and I don’t even own a penis.

@Fantasmagorian *

With that skill set, surely you could build your own one!

*Sorry if it's not Fantasmagorian...m doing this on a v bumpy bus

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 12/04/2023 20:04

chaosmaker · 12/04/2023 18:32

Yup, no typos

Well if that’s more important to you than the fact you basically implied that another PP just didn’t care enough pregnancy and disease so as not to get raped that rather says it all.

Absolutely fucking vile.

Fantasmagoricalan · 12/04/2023 20:10

Kittensat36 · 12/04/2023 19:55

All that and I don’t even own a penis.

@Fantasmagorian *

With that skill set, surely you could build your own one!

*Sorry if it's not Fantasmagorian...m doing this on a v bumpy bus

😆

CallintheClownies · 13/04/2023 08:41

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Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 14:33

Mycathatesmecuddling · 12/04/2023 10:35

This is the second thread this week which I have been on which has been full of women know your place, no sex before marriage, your career isn't as important as your husbands etc, with a splash of religion to keep a woman down thrown in

It's just depressing

It's just depressing

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but this is the real world where people are allowed to have all sorts of opinions about all sorts of issues.

It's also an 'open' forum.

Are you saying that no-one should have an opinion that isn't in line with yours?

Fantasmagoricalan · 13/04/2023 14:46

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 14:33

It's just depressing

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but this is the real world where people are allowed to have all sorts of opinions about all sorts of issues.

It's also an 'open' forum.

Are you saying that no-one should have an opinion that isn't in line with yours?

I mean, I can’t speak for everyone, but personally, I’d rather not have to read posts from ‘women’ believing women should know their place/get back in their box, be subordinate to men, ‘rely on men’, and take huge steps backwards regarding their rights and the way they’re viewed by society, in a largely female open forum space.

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 14:57

Fantasmagoricalan · 13/04/2023 14:46

I mean, I can’t speak for everyone, but personally, I’d rather not have to read posts from ‘women’ believing women should know their place/get back in their box, be subordinate to men, ‘rely on men’, and take huge steps backwards regarding their rights and the way they’re viewed by society, in a largely female open forum space.

If you don't want to read them, then don't.

If you don't like the ethics of the site then engage with another one.

If you feel the moderation/site rules/content don't fit your ethics then go elsewhere or raise your concerns with the owners.

If you feel this site is doing women a disservice, then you are free to start your own.

You may want to look at Article 10 of the Human Rights Act

Article 10 protects your right to hold your own opinionsArticle 10 protects your right to hold your own opinions and to express them freely without government interference.
This includes the right to express your views aloud (for example through public protest and demonstrations) or through:

  • published articles, books or leaflets
  • television or radio broadcasting
  • works of art
  • the internet and social media
The law also protects your freedom to receive information from other people by, for example, being part of an audience or reading a magazine.

Are there any restrictions to this right? Although you have freedom of expression, you also have a duty to behave responsibly and to respect other people’s rights.

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 15:00

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 14:33

It's just depressing

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but this is the real world where people are allowed to have all sorts of opinions about all sorts of issues.

It's also an 'open' forum.

Are you saying that no-one should have an opinion that isn't in line with yours?

On a thread where a woman wanted some support whilst getting the MAP being lectured on sex before marriage being wrong is unhelpful and inappropriate, especially with the splash of religious dogma thrown in

want to start a thread on sex before marriage being bad go for it. But shaming women who are in need of support for having sex before marriage is just pathetic and unnecessary

MN used to be really supportive of women and women's independence and supporting them. Yes it's depressing to see threads where women are told straight women should have rights lesbian women shouldn't be allowed, women should follow religious rules that might not even be their religion and posters coming on every thread about domestic violence to find an excuse for the men's violence

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 15:03

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 14:57

If you don't want to read them, then don't.

If you don't like the ethics of the site then engage with another one.

If you feel the moderation/site rules/content don't fit your ethics then go elsewhere or raise your concerns with the owners.

If you feel this site is doing women a disservice, then you are free to start your own.

You may want to look at Article 10 of the Human Rights Act

Article 10 protects your right to hold your own opinionsArticle 10 protects your right to hold your own opinions and to express them freely without government interference.
This includes the right to express your views aloud (for example through public protest and demonstrations) or through:

  • published articles, books or leaflets
  • television or radio broadcasting
  • works of art
  • the internet and social media
The law also protects your freedom to receive information from other people by, for example, being part of an audience or reading a magazine.

Are there any restrictions to this right? Although you have freedom of expression, you also have a duty to behave responsibly and to respect other people’s rights.

How is telling a woman who might not be religious that they shouldn't have sex before marriage because a religion bans/frowns on it respecting other people’s rights.

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 15:20

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 15:03

How is telling a woman who might not be religious that they shouldn't have sex before marriage because a religion bans/frowns on it respecting other people’s rights.

I'm not going to get into discussion about what the rules are on this site.

If you have an issue, then take it up with MN HQ, I am sure they would like to hear your concerns.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 13/04/2023 15:27

Given that the post basically saying that anyone raped by stealth just doesn’t “care enough about pregnancy and disease” has been allowed to stand unchecked by @FlissMumsnet @mnhq I’d say anything goes in terms of women attacking women on here…

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 15:29

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 15:20

I'm not going to get into discussion about what the rules are on this site.

If you have an issue, then take it up with MN HQ, I am sure they would like to hear your concerns.

I didn't bring up the rules on this site I was quoting your own words from your post back to you

You are the one who decided to challenge me on this, if you don't want to be challenged back why did you bother?

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 15:41

If you feel that this site is not applying the Human Rights Act correctly then you should question them.

I don't make the rules on this site.

I don't police what people post.

So please stop transferring your issues with MN (and you seems to have a few) on to me.

Quote:
MN used to be really supportive of women and women's independence and supporting them. Yes it's depressing to see threads where women are told straight women should have rights lesbian women shouldn't be allowed, women should follow religious rules that might not even be their religion and posters coming on every thread about domestic violence to find an excuse for the men's violence

Fantasmagoricalan · 13/04/2023 15:44

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 14:57

If you don't want to read them, then don't.

If you don't like the ethics of the site then engage with another one.

If you feel the moderation/site rules/content don't fit your ethics then go elsewhere or raise your concerns with the owners.

If you feel this site is doing women a disservice, then you are free to start your own.

You may want to look at Article 10 of the Human Rights Act

Article 10 protects your right to hold your own opinionsArticle 10 protects your right to hold your own opinions and to express them freely without government interference.
This includes the right to express your views aloud (for example through public protest and demonstrations) or through:

  • published articles, books or leaflets
  • television or radio broadcasting
  • works of art
  • the internet and social media
The law also protects your freedom to receive information from other people by, for example, being part of an audience or reading a magazine.

Are there any restrictions to this right? Although you have freedom of expression, you also have a duty to behave responsibly and to respect other people’s rights.

Fortunately it’s very, very few voices.

You’ve gone to great lengths to defend a couple of posters who went out of their way to spread dangerous misinformation about contraception, and to shame a woman for having sex before marriage, in a thread where she was looking for support, in 2023…

Fantasmagoricalan · 13/04/2023 15:49

Not really sure why you’re here, @Drusillagobwitch. You’ve added nothing of value, other than to try to lay onto a poster 16 hours after she posted, for saying she found some attitudes to women on this thread (supposedly by other women) depressing.

Since then it’s just been odd rants about the HRA and MN talk guidelines. 🫢

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 15:54

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 15:41

If you feel that this site is not applying the Human Rights Act correctly then you should question them.

I don't make the rules on this site.

I don't police what people post.

So please stop transferring your issues with MN (and you seems to have a few) on to me.

Quote:
MN used to be really supportive of women and women's independence and supporting them. Yes it's depressing to see threads where women are told straight women should have rights lesbian women shouldn't be allowed, women should follow religious rules that might not even be their religion and posters coming on every thread about domestic violence to find an excuse for the men's violence

You are policing what I wrote

You asked me a question, I answered, you answered and now you are complaining I answered you

If you didn't want me to respond to you post why on earth did you ask me a question

I'm not transferring issues how very dramatic

And my issues aren't with MN its with women hating posts on a site that used to be a supportive place for women. Then it got more well known and now we have incels and DdOS attacks and posters pretending to be women telling us how to behave properly. Oh and that wierdo who pops up every once in awhile to tell us all we must be lesbians because women don't like his body

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 16:16

@Mycathatesmecuddling "And my issues aren't with MN its with women hating posts on a site that used to be a supportive place for women. Then it got more well known and now we have incels and DdOS attacks and posters pretending to be women telling us how to behave properly. Oh and that wierdo who pops up every once in awhile to tell us all we must be lesbians because women don't like his body"

It seems you have a lot of issues, both with the site and posters on it.

I don't know what incels or DdOS are (and perhaps it wouldn't help if I did) but as I have said if you want better vetting of posters then you need to raise this with MN HQ.

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 16:39

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 16:16

@Mycathatesmecuddling "And my issues aren't with MN its with women hating posts on a site that used to be a supportive place for women. Then it got more well known and now we have incels and DdOS attacks and posters pretending to be women telling us how to behave properly. Oh and that wierdo who pops up every once in awhile to tell us all we must be lesbians because women don't like his body"

It seems you have a lot of issues, both with the site and posters on it.

I don't know what incels or DdOS are (and perhaps it wouldn't help if I did) but as I have said if you want better vetting of posters then you need to raise this with MN HQ.

I don't want better vetting of posters

And quite frankly if you dont know what incels or Ddos are then why are you complaining about me venting my frustration

You seem to have a lot of issues with me. Just me not the other posters who have responded to you.

Why do you have such an issue with me? Maybe if you don't like my post you should have reported it to MN instead of talking about all your issues with it on the thread

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 17:01

@Mycathatesmecuddling Oh dear, oh dear.

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 17:06

@Fantasmagoricalan You’ve gone to great lengths to defend a couple of posters who went out of their way to spread dangerous misinformation about contraception, and to shame a woman for having sex before marriage, in a thread where she was looking for support, in 2023…

That is not correct.

I have defended all posters' right to express an opinion.

That doesn't mean I agree with said opinions.

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 17:22

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 17:06

@Fantasmagoricalan You’ve gone to great lengths to defend a couple of posters who went out of their way to spread dangerous misinformation about contraception, and to shame a woman for having sex before marriage, in a thread where she was looking for support, in 2023…

That is not correct.

I have defended all posters' right to express an opinion.

That doesn't mean I agree with said opinions.

Except me, given it was my opinion you thought I shouldn't be expressing

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 17:45

@Mycathatesmecuddling Except me, given it was my opinion you thought I shouldn't be expressing.

I did not say that at all, that I merely pointed out to you the facts viz:

This is an open site/forum over which MN HQ has ultimate control.
Complaining on the site won't sort the problem.
Complaining to MN HQ might give you the answer(s) you seek.
It it isn't as supportive enough for you (anymore) you are free to go elsewhere or start your own site.

EmilyGilmoresSass · 13/04/2023 17:47

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Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 17:50

@EmilyGilmoresSass Talk about taking over a thread

Feel free to join in, it is a discussion site after all.

Mycathatesmecuddling · 13/04/2023 18:24

Drusillagobwitch · 13/04/2023 17:45

@Mycathatesmecuddling Except me, given it was my opinion you thought I shouldn't be expressing.

I did not say that at all, that I merely pointed out to you the facts viz:

This is an open site/forum over which MN HQ has ultimate control.
Complaining on the site won't sort the problem.
Complaining to MN HQ might give you the answer(s) you seek.
It it isn't as supportive enough for you (anymore) you are free to go elsewhere or start your own site.

And if you don't like my posts you are free to go elsewhere too instead of complaining that I am complaining wrong

But do feel free to continue to defend the people I mentioned

*This is the second thread this week which I have been on which has been full of women know your place, no sex before marriage, your career isn't as important as your husbands etc, with a splash of religion to keep a woman down thrown in

It's just depressing*

None of whom I said shouldn't post or shouldn't have an opinion, in post you complained about, I just said they are depressing

As are you defending posters trying to set back womens rights and shame the OP for sex before marriage