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New Man - feel weird and awkward after last night.

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EasterEggs22 · 09/04/2023 12:52

Morning all. I’ve been following the relationships board for a while now and have seen some great advice given to others, so I’m hoping you can all help me too. Hopefully this makes sense..

I recently started seeing/meeting up with a man that I met off tinder around a month ago. Very early days I know. For context, I’m 26 and he’s 32, no kids and both work full time. We’ve met around 9-10 times at various locations for walks, food and coffee dates (last night was the first time at my house) as we live over an hour away from each other, but both of us drive so it’s not really an issue. We get on very well, have lots in common, he makes me laugh, seems really kind and sweet (last night he turned up with a bunch of flowers and an Easter egg in hand). I do like him and have enjoyed spending time with him over the last few weeks.

Last night didn’t go to plan at all and I’ve woken up this morning feeling really disappointed about it. He was working until 1pm and then decided to go and play golf with a friend for a few hours afterwards. He didn’t actually get to my house until 8pm. I’d gone out to the shops and bought us some bits to have for tea, so I was just waiting around for him. By the time he arrived it was too late to actually do anything other than have food and watch a film. I wrongly presumed that he was staying the night as he didn’t arrive until late, had a long drive back and also brought a bag filled with clothes. We went up to bed around 10 and had sex for the first time. For context, I’m not on any contraceptives at the minute as I’ve been single for 3 years and haven’t had sex in over a year, so I bought some condoms yesterday just in case.

I explained this to him before we started having sex and he put a condom on. We got a bit carried away and (sorry, TMI) he took the condom off in between us having sex so I could give him a blowjob but we stupidly forgot/didn’t put the condom back on to have sex again. He pulled out to ejaculate, but I know that there is pre ejaculation to consider. He was in a panic straight afterwards, saying he was worried I might get pregnant, he’s not ready for kids yet. I told him I would buy the morning after pill (ordered it online in front of him) and said try not to worry. He told me that he’d dated/slept with women in the past who lied and said they were pregnant just to keep the relationship going, so he was worried it might happen again (I won’t lie, this comment pissed me off because it felt like he was accusing me of doing something like that). For context, I don’t want kids yet either. I actually became pregnant when I was 15 with my first boyfriend and suffered a miscarriage at 12 weeks. It changed my life and I’ve always said I don’t want kids until I’ve met the right person/been with them a long time. Even though this is very personal to me and I don’t talk about it very often, if ever, I told him as I thought it might reassure him that I don’t want children yet and that I’m not out to trap him with a baby or whatever he was thinking. This wasn’t good enough though as he just kept going on about it all night, even though I’d done everything I could (ordering the pill) in that moment.

Anyway, the rest of the night was so bloody awkward. We just lay in bed watching tv, barely spoke a word to each other, other than him asking me about when the shop would be open again so I could pick up the pill. He didn’t even touch me/cuddle me after sex, and then announced at 11 that he was going home as he needed to be up early the next morning to visit his cousin. I told him he could stay over and just get up earlier if that was easier but he said he didn’t want to wake me up really early. I think that was an excuse though just so he could get out. I’ve woken up this morning to an email from the doctor at Superdrug authorising the order but it won’t be available until Tuesday to collect. I naively thought it would be ready by tomorrow, and I’m due to go away tomorrow night for work and won’t be back until late Tuesday evening, so I have sent a message to the doctor explaining all of this. The only thing I can do is go in there tomorrow to see if I can speak to someone, and maybe try Boots as well.

I’ve told him all of this, and we have been speaking as normal today but it still feels really awkward. It’s not the way I thought the night would go, especially since it was our first time having sex. But I do understand his worries. I wonder if he feels awkward too. I’m also concerned that every time we’ve met up it’s always been during the evening for a few hours. Not that I think he’s after me for just sex, because we’ve spent time doing other things too, but he always goes out with his friends after work and then meets me in the evening for a few hours. Today he’s gone out with his friend, and tomorrow he’s decided to take an extra shift at work, and didn’t bother to ask me what I was doing/or if I wanted to do anything with him. I’ve only just noticed this because I normally work until 5pm, so meeting up at night has worked really well for us so far, but I’ve been off work this week and it’s been the same thing. I’m worried it will be like this on weekends, and I don’t want a relationship where we just see each other for a few hours at night. I want to go out and do things together during the day as well. He has been really trying this morning to keep the conversation going, but I’m worried he’s just doing that until I get the pill and then he’s going to end things. Should I get in there first and let him know I don’t think it’s going to work out, but will obviously let him know when I’ve collected and taken the tablet? I do really like him, and feel so disappointed it’s ended up like this.

Sorry, this thread is a lot longer than I expected but I didn’t want to drip feed and there are a few issues to think about.

TIA

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Fantasmagoricalan · 11/04/2023 18:31

And they’re nothing like ‘dangerous’ symptoms. Don’t try to defend that.

Hesxboon · 11/04/2023 19:08

I think it sounds like he’s got a family/girlfriend, only seeing you in the evenings is a bit odd. I could odviously be very wrong but I’d be cautious if I were you. I understand him being worried about a slip up but to say he’s done it a few times in the past and doesn’t trust you will get the pill is a red flag x

ilikeyarn · 11/04/2023 19:12

I had said who-know's-what side effects. I don't know if it's dangerous. I do know it was probably later for the OP than the intended time frame.

You need to be careful trusting pharmaceutical companies and do thorough research.

I am not a they, I am a she. I am not a troll nor a creation of AI.

Mumsnet is big business if you study the wikipedia entry. I suspect they are at least partially funded by pharmaceutical companies. Remember, if you use a natural fertility awareness method, then nobody can make money off your birth control pills. If you practice abstinence, it will be derided for many reasons, but one definite reason is nobody is making money off of you.

I don't mind if you call me righteous. It's a nice name. Better than loon probably.

BadNomad · 11/04/2023 19:17

How does "natural fertility awareness method" work when you have hormonal irregularities like PCOS? 🙄I suppose those women should not have sex at all until they're married and wanting a baby.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/04/2023 19:34

ilikeyarn · 11/04/2023 19:12

I had said who-know's-what side effects. I don't know if it's dangerous. I do know it was probably later for the OP than the intended time frame.

You need to be careful trusting pharmaceutical companies and do thorough research.

I am not a they, I am a she. I am not a troll nor a creation of AI.

Mumsnet is big business if you study the wikipedia entry. I suspect they are at least partially funded by pharmaceutical companies. Remember, if you use a natural fertility awareness method, then nobody can make money off your birth control pills. If you practice abstinence, it will be derided for many reasons, but one definite reason is nobody is making money off of you.

I don't mind if you call me righteous. It's a nice name. Better than loon probably.

Yet you literally said “dangerous pills” - which is blatantly nonsense

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:04

@Fantasmagoricalan I would just accept our limitations as women and be glad to rely on men.

Of course it depends what the context was to this, but on the face of it it doesn't seem such a heinous thing to say.

Are there women here who can do plumbing, joinery, build a patio/extension, tile a bathroom, perform tree surgery, rewire a house? Really?

I can't do any of those skills and am happy to rely on men to do them. I can't see a problem with that.

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:11

@YetMoreNewBeginnings

Yet you literally said “dangerous pills” - which is blatantly nonsense

Actually it isn't.

MAP is contraindicated in cases of undiagnosed vaginal bleeding and any kind of cancer of the reproductive organs.

It is also not advised in cases of severe asthma and can react with some medications used for epilepsy, HIV or TB.

So it isn't a one-size-fits-all solution.

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:14

Fantasmagoricalan · 11/04/2023 18:31

And they’re nothing like ‘dangerous’ symptoms. Don’t try to defend that.

No they're not.

However, see my post at 20.11 above for more detailed prescribing advice and contraindications for the full picture.

Fantasmagoricalan · 11/04/2023 20:14

You two. Wow. Thank Christ you’re both lone voices among a sea of largely rational ones.

And yes, @ilikeyarn, you literally called it a ‘dangerous pill’, your post might have gone because of it, but its echo remains.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/04/2023 20:19

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:11

@YetMoreNewBeginnings

Yet you literally said “dangerous pills” - which is blatantly nonsense

Actually it isn't.

MAP is contraindicated in cases of undiagnosed vaginal bleeding and any kind of cancer of the reproductive organs.

It is also not advised in cases of severe asthma and can react with some medications used for epilepsy, HIV or TB.

So it isn't a one-size-fits-all solution.

Having side effects does not make them dangerous pills.

Paracetamol, ibuprofen and penicillin have side effects and contraindications yet it would be equally irresponsible to label them as dangerous pills.

It was an irresponsible statement

BadNomad · 11/04/2023 20:20

Are there women here who can do plumbing, joinery, build a patio/extension, tile a bathroom, perform tree surgery, rewire a house? Really?

I don't know any men who can do these things. I would have to hire a professional. They aren't jobs all men can do nor are they jobs only men can do.

Bizarre.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/04/2023 20:37

Yes it was. Labelling any medication as dangerous pills in a bid to shame someone out of taking them is irresponsible. The Op is an adult capable of discussing her specific medical circumstances with the pharmacist.

In 2021 over 200 died from paracetamol poisoning… Are you going to go around labelling them as dangerous pills?

Mycathatesmecuddling · 11/04/2023 20:46

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:04

@Fantasmagoricalan I would just accept our limitations as women and be glad to rely on men.

Of course it depends what the context was to this, but on the face of it it doesn't seem such a heinous thing to say.

Are there women here who can do plumbing, joinery, build a patio/extension, tile a bathroom, perform tree surgery, rewire a house? Really?

I can't do any of those skills and am happy to rely on men to do them. I can't see a problem with that.

I can do plumbing, joinery, tile a bathroom and rewire a house. I would get someone in to build a patio or perform tree surgery. My friend is a tree surgeon, she's a woman, I would probably get her in. I don't know a female builder personally but I'm sure I could find one.

None of these jobs actually requires a penis so I'm not sure why you think someone needs a man to do one. The ones I can't do I rely on experts to do. their expertise is more important than their genitals but maybe you rely on sex more than credentials when choosing to pay for work?

My DH by the way can do all the DIY jobs I mentioned and cant do the came ones as me, probably because we do all DIY together. The only DIY skills he has that I don't have is gas work, because he needs it for his job but we don't live in a gas mains area so it's not one I've needed

Mycathatesmecuddling · 11/04/2023 20:50

Why are you linking to articles about the abortion pills when trying to prove the morning after pill is dangerous?

monsteramunch · 11/04/2023 20:58

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:04

@Fantasmagoricalan I would just accept our limitations as women and be glad to rely on men.

Of course it depends what the context was to this, but on the face of it it doesn't seem such a heinous thing to say.

Are there women here who can do plumbing, joinery, build a patio/extension, tile a bathroom, perform tree surgery, rewire a house? Really?

I can't do any of those skills and am happy to rely on men to do them. I can't see a problem with that.

If people (of either sex) can't do those things then they rely on tradespeople. It's their expertise and experience that means a tradesperson can do those things. Not their penis.

I'm shit at DIY because I'm impatient and have butterfingers. Not because I have a vagina.

A vagina in now way reduces a woman's ability to do any of those things if she wants to learn to do them.

HTH.

monsteramunch · 11/04/2023 20:59

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 20:04

@Fantasmagoricalan I would just accept our limitations as women and be glad to rely on men.

Of course it depends what the context was to this, but on the face of it it doesn't seem such a heinous thing to say.

Are there women here who can do plumbing, joinery, build a patio/extension, tile a bathroom, perform tree surgery, rewire a house? Really?

I can't do any of those skills and am happy to rely on men to do them. I can't see a problem with that.

What on earth do you think (just as one example) a tree surgeon does that makes a penis an asset and a vagina a disadvantage?!

ilikeyarn · 11/04/2023 21:18

Well, now since my post was deleted, I don't know if I said dangerous. I did actually research the drug MAP before I posted, and am usually careful but I can make errors. I wouldn't take the drug myself, nor any experimental drug/injection, nor any birth control pill. As for being responsible, I agree that it's a good trait to have. You are right about that.

And that's why I've made the comments I have about waiting for marriage before mucking about.

monsteramunch · 11/04/2023 21:18

ilikeyarn · 11/04/2023 21:18

Well, now since my post was deleted, I don't know if I said dangerous. I did actually research the drug MAP before I posted, and am usually careful but I can make errors. I wouldn't take the drug myself, nor any experimental drug/injection, nor any birth control pill. As for being responsible, I agree that it's a good trait to have. You are right about that.

And that's why I've made the comments I have about waiting for marriage before mucking about.

You did call it a 'dangerous pill'. That's exactly what you said. I'm sure MN can confirm if you wanted them to.

ilikeyarn · 11/04/2023 21:20

monsteramunch · 11/04/2023 20:59

What on earth do you think (just as one example) a tree surgeon does that makes a penis an asset and a vagina a disadvantage?!

Come on, do you really think men's minds are identical to womens'? We're not discussing lower parts of the anatomy here.

I don't see men as adversaries or people I have to compare myself to. I just rely on them for their unique skills and gifts.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/04/2023 21:27

ilikeyarn · 11/04/2023 21:18

Well, now since my post was deleted, I don't know if I said dangerous. I did actually research the drug MAP before I posted, and am usually careful but I can make errors. I wouldn't take the drug myself, nor any experimental drug/injection, nor any birth control pill. As for being responsible, I agree that it's a good trait to have. You are right about that.

And that's why I've made the comments I have about waiting for marriage before mucking about.

Come off it. You called it a dangerous pill and you know you did.

monsteramunch · 11/04/2023 21:28

@ilikeyarn

Come on, do you really think men's minds are identical to womens'? We're not discussing lower parts of the anatomy here.

Obviously women and men have different anatomies including their brains. Nobody has said otherwise.

But there is zero reason a woman can't be a tree surgeon or learn any of the other skills on the list of things you don't believe anyone female can do themselves.

Are there women here who can do plumbing, joinery, build a patio/extension, tile a bathroom, perform tree surgery, rewire a house? Really?

It's a bit odd you don't seem to believe it possible for women to 'really' do any of the things on that list. You sound like you'd be genuinely shocked to discover they can if they fancy.

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 21:34

monsteramunch · 11/04/2023 20:59

What on earth do you think (just as one example) a tree surgeon does that makes a penis an asset and a vagina a disadvantage?!

I have a real problem following your logic which seems convoluted IMO.

We were discussing relying on men (which seems an appalling idea to some posters here) and I gave examples of situations where I would rely on a man.

Bizarre.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/04/2023 21:35

There’s some real disingenuous twisting going on now

No idea what kind of kick people get out of that at all.

CaptainCorellisBagpipes · 11/04/2023 21:39

@monsteramunch It's a bit odd you don't seem to believe it possible for women to 'really' do any of the things on that list. You sound like you'd be genuinely shocked to discover they can if they fancy.

You've missed the point (again) and are reading all sorts of nuances into my posts that aren't there..

I asked if any women on this site could do those jobs and so far haven't had any takers.
I never said I didn't think a women could do them.

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