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90 replies

Onetimeonlyusername · 13/03/2023 18:47

Where to start. I am 61 and my DP is 63. We’ve been together for 12 years and are committed to each other. We’ve both been married before and both have kids. Neither of us are particularly bothered about doing it again, but we are financially entangled. We’ve also recently retired which makes things even more complicated.

DP has been a womaniser all his life but it largely stopped when he met me. We agreed that, if it happened, he would use condoms and tell me. He has told me about 2 occasions. One of them is the problem. He has had an on-off thing (I don’t know what to call it. It’s not an affair, but it is more than just sex) with a woman from his home country for over 20 years. Last time he went home he slept with her and subsequently told me. I asked him to cut all contact with her and he did. That was 7 years ago.

He went back to his home country in December for the first time since Covid to see his family. Unbeknownst to me he got in touch with her again and, unsurprisingly, they had sex etc. He told me a month ago but brushed it away as a fling with an old flame and nothing serious. He seemed surprised that I was jealous and said she meant nothing and was just a bit of fun. Neither of us have mentioned it since.

I could forgive all this. I knew who and what he was from the start and she is a long way away. Then I saw an email she sent him at new year. I didn’t snoop but it popped up in his sent items, the original is buried in a folder with an old business name so definitely hidden. It was devastating. It’s clear from her email that he told her he loved her and she was the one. Lots of sex stuff but not gory details, lots about how they make each other feel and romantic exchanges. He told her that he’s fantasied about her since the day they met. It’s clear that it’s not a shag with a willing volunteer. It’s a very long email and the tone and the references to comments and conversation makes it clear that they have very very deep feelings for each other. And I am honest enough to see that his feelings are probably deeper than hers. This isn’t an infatuation with a pretty little thing. She is in her 50s and a successful and accomplished woman.

She ended the email with words to the effect that anything between them was impossible because of the distance but that she had the same warm place in her heart for him as he had for her. Basically telling him it was not to be and that she wanted to stay friends. He replied to say he had read it and that he loved her but has sent nothing since.

I just don’t know what to do now. She clearly isn’t a threat to our relationship in that he won’t leave me for her. She sounds very sensible in her email and points out that, even if he did return to his home country for her, a relationship between them would be unlikely to survive the pressure. But he loves her and dreams about her and I am second to that. If I leave him I blow all my financial security for retirement. I could just leave it and let it scab over til it heals, but the scar will always be there. He has no idea that I know and I can’t ask him as I don’t want to hear him lie or tell the truth but it is burning a hole in me and I don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
northernlight20 · 13/03/2023 18:51

U only get one life and it’s far too short to be someone’s second best. Personally, I would leave.

DarkNecessities · 13/03/2023 18:52

That scab will itch OP. It will keep opening up and never heal.

I would rather be alone than suffer and be forever wondering

Coffeellama · 13/03/2023 18:53

Is being miserable for the rest of your life worth the money from staying with him? Do you honestly think this situation won’t keep repeating? You are crazy if you do. And yes it IS an affair, a physical and emotional one. He doesn’t love you, he loves someone else so really you are both together for convenience and that’s it. I no I couldn’t spend the rest of my life like that. Plus if he gets a better off he will leave you behind anyway.

Annabananna1 · 13/03/2023 18:56

Really difficult.
I don't think him loving her and thinking of her means he loves you or wants to be with you any less. I am one of the very few who can accept non-monogamy in certain situations.
I know a lot of people would see this as a clear & simple LTB.
If you can accept his actions and his emotions and live with it comfortably, then that's fair enough and perhaps your better quality of retirement is offset. But if it will always be on your mind and make you anxious and lower your self esteem, it will probably be better to end the relationship a deal with the consequence of that sooner rather than later.
Only you can know how you feel about this and whether it crosses a line. It certainly would for most.

determinedtomakethiswork · 13/03/2023 18:57

I couldn't live like that. I couldn't live how you were prepared to live before where he was like some sort of sexually incontinent man who you knew would have sex with others. You really need to value yourself more.

What are the financial implications of you splitting up?

Onetimeonlyusername · 13/03/2023 18:59

You see I don’t know if that’s true. I wonder if she is more of a fantasy and I am his reality. He could have left for her about 10 years ago but back then it seems that he told her that he had fallen in love with me. She specifically says that she is glad that he is with me as she wants him to be happy. But it burns that she feels she can say that. Who the fuck does she think she is to grant him permission to be with his partner of a dozen years.

The real fucker is that I know exactly who she is and I actually really admire the woman and think I would want to be friends in different circumstances.

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BigglyBee · 13/03/2023 19:02

Could you go and stay with one of your kids for a while? If you told them the situation, would they help you (with planning etc), as well as allowing you space and distance from him to work out what you want to do?

Onetimeonlyusername · 13/03/2023 19:03

Financial consequences would be pretty shit for both of us. We could split everything but he would struggle to retire back to his home country and I would definitely live in reduced circumstances here. Anything is doable but it’s not so easy once you are past your earning life. I would struggle to return to work for health reasons, he is past his sell by date in a very fast moving industry.

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sunflowerandivy · 13/03/2023 19:12

Good lord, have some self respect. How on earth could you tolerate this, and for so long?

2bazookas · 13/03/2023 19:15

I'd contact her and inform her you are in a longterm live-in relationship with him.

She probably doesn't know, because he's probably lied to her too.

OnaBegonia · 13/03/2023 19:16

I would definitely live in reduced circumstances here
Put your self respect before a lifestyle, he's made a mug of you for years.

holierthanthou73 · 13/03/2023 19:22

OnaBegonia · 13/03/2023 19:16

I would definitely live in reduced circumstances here
Put your self respect before a lifestyle, he's made a mug of you for years.

+1

HaveTheDayOff · 13/03/2023 19:23

What have I just read? Confused

User1435 · 13/03/2023 19:24

Don't rush anything! It's easy for people here to tell you to live the rest of your life in poverty for a principle. Spend some time thinking about what a life by yourself would look like based on the finances you'd have to live with. Could you have a flat in a nice enough area? Might you be lonely? What about a retirement property? Definitely keep it to yourself for now and try to make logical plans. And if he's allowed to stray, so are you.

CallieQ · 13/03/2023 19:25

Why are you with this man??

PermanentTemporary · 13/03/2023 19:25

What a very painful thing to find.

It does seem to me that the reality is that he's with you, not her. The choice of whether to stay is yours. I think he knows his life with you is good.

People say one version of events to each other, but it's only one version. This thing may be largely a fantasy, at least on the emotional side. That doesn't mean it's ok.

I wouldn't rush to decide, but I wouldn't ruminate for too long. Talk to a therapist for 6 sessions or so. Scope out your financial and practical options.

If he never played away again, would you definitely want to be with him?

Emmamoo89 · 13/03/2023 19:27

LBT

Emmamoo89 · 13/03/2023 19:27

LTB*

Dweetfidilove · 13/03/2023 19:46

You say he wouldn't be able to retire in his home country or you split.
Is that his actual plan if you stay together?

If yes, how do you presume his relationship with this woman will continue when he's in the same country as her?

She's made it clear she doesn't want him full-time, but that doesn't mean they won't have further dalliance.

Is he likely to become thirstier for her if they're in closer proximity?

Big decision to make OP, but it doesn't sound like he'll stop chasing this one, so you have much to reconcile if you're staying.

Mateyduck · 13/03/2023 19:56

sunflowerandivy · 13/03/2023 19:12

Good lord, have some self respect. How on earth could you tolerate this, and for so long?

This

Smineusername · 13/03/2023 20:34

You knew what he is - someone who is addicted to fantasy. You are reality and it seems he is unable to sustain desire for reality.

If I were you I would create some distance so he feels a need to chase you again.

I think he probably does love you but sadly he is a fool.

neitherofthem · 13/03/2023 20:37

... and are committed to each other.

Er - you might be, but he certainly isn't. A leopard doesn't change its spots. How can you tolerate his low-life cheating behaviour? I know I couldn't. I'd rather be penniless and on my own in a bedsit than with someone who treats me with such contempt.

ThePurpleOctopus · 13/03/2023 20:54

But OP, it sounds like it's not just about this one 'fantasy' woman.

You said there were two incidents of unfaithfulness - why did he do the other one?

Milkandhoneybees · 13/03/2023 21:01

Onetimeonlyusername · 13/03/2023 18:59

You see I don’t know if that’s true. I wonder if she is more of a fantasy and I am his reality. He could have left for her about 10 years ago but back then it seems that he told her that he had fallen in love with me. She specifically says that she is glad that he is with me as she wants him to be happy. But it burns that she feels she can say that. Who the fuck does she think she is to grant him permission to be with his partner of a dozen years.

The real fucker is that I know exactly who she is and I actually really admire the woman and think I would want to be friends in different circumstances.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head when you said that she is a fantasy and you are his reality.

Often womanisers are malcontents that are incapable of truly appreciating the person that they have, who live a very romantic existence in their heads, without giving that romance to the person who they are committed to and who is committed to them. This often comes from the concept that true happiness is to be found in another person, rather than within one’s self, so going from woman to woman means that he never has to address the gaping hole in his soul, living for the next fantasy instead.

For this reason, a woman who is perfectly out of reach, in another country, who he is realistically never able to create a relationship with, would be like crack to him - as soon as she becomes real, the shiny glaze would wear off.

If you do decide to stay with him, I don’t think encouraging transparency about his extracurricular ‘escapades’ is necessarily the best way to go about things, as you are almost sending the message that you expect it to happen, but are willing to stay with him regardless, which is green-lighting his behaviour. I would confront him and be clear that it’s high time he addressed why he has this need to live in fantasy and not reality, at your expense.

He probably loves you only to the extent to which he is able to; there is something fundamentally amiss within him that needs to be addressed. He needs to understand why reality is difficult for him (although he could just be a narcissist, but that’s for a psychiatrist to diagnose, not the internet).

I’m sorry that you’re going through this, take your time to think and assess your options. There may be more that you can do to better your situation solo than you think. Are there people IRL that you can talk to, in order to assess your options?

Dotcheck · 13/03/2023 21:05

Who the fuck does she think she is to grant him permission to be with his partner of a dozen years

Well, the woman who has been on the back burner, and is not indebted to this scoundrel of a man

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