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Is a 60 year old emotionally unavailable man likely to change?

109 replies

JCCJ23 · 24/02/2023 18:12

I've been seeing him a few months now, but feel like I'm not a priority to him and that he could take or leave the relationship. We have a laugh together but he freezes up and can't discuss any serious issues or his emotions when I bring things up. Now, this isn't me judging, he admits this himself! I've noticed he can be quite selfish and likes things done a certain way - his way!

I feel like the relationship is superficial and am wondering if it's going to get any better really.

Anyone have any experience of men like this?

OP posts:
JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 08:48

I'm mid 40s.

OP posts:
AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 09:01

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 08:48

I'm mid 40s.

How did you meet?

This is important.

If it was by chance, at a hobby, that's one thing. If he is actively looking online, that's different in some ways. He may have said it was a FWB- casual thing he wanted, or a relationship.

You have to accept you can't change him. Anyone of 60 is going to be a bit set in their routines. If he has always lived alone, he will find it harder to compromise.

If there is a 15 year age gap, how do you feel about being with an 80 year old when you are 65? (If it was to last.)

I have a good relationship with my partner because we're both in our 50s and selfish, for want of a better word. If either of us started talking about "us" and "where our relationship is going", the other would run a mile.

I'd feel the exact opposite of this.

At 45 and 60, there's no time to waste and if you want a close relationship and the other person is not engaging on an emotional level, I'd be off.

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 09:08

We met through a hobby, he asked me out a few times before I agreed.

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AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 09:26

If you have been seeing him for a while and he's not given any inkling about whether he wants a relationship, or just a companion and sex, (which is fine if that's what you want) then I'd move on, personally.

I'd also tell him why, then it gives him the chance to offer to change, but if he's got to 60 without a long term relationship, he's either

1 not capable of that kind of emotional intimacy
2 he doesn't want it
3 he's not met the right woman

Most people would be able to articulate which of those it is.

Have you asked why he's been on his own all his life?

One thing that strikes me (and don't take this the wrong way) is that your own responses to questions and comments here are very brief and not exactly engaging with the posters on a deeper level.

Are you are him both similar perhaps?

Fairislefandango · 25/02/2023 09:42

People are very unlikely to change their personality at 30, never mind 60!

TangledWebOfDeception · 25/02/2023 11:10

category12 · 25/02/2023 07:49

His record says no.

It's best to pay attention to that.

Exactly.

Think about it - if he’s never done that before in all his many short relationships, why would he suddenly be likely to do that now?

If it’s not enough for you then it’s just not enough. It’s not fair to yourself to expect more from him than he can or wants to give, and it’s not fair to him either.

GingerAle1 · 25/02/2023 11:19

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 07:05

Yes, he seems to enjoy all the nice parts of the relationship but not interested in serious discussions, which for me is all part of developing a relationship, otherwise what's the point and I'd be better hanging out with a friend

What sort of serious discussions are people looking for?

I'm happy with serious discussions only happening when needed. Life happens all the time, so it's nice to have time to enjoy the fun parts when there's nothing serious to be discussed.

AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 11:30

GingerAle1 · 25/02/2023 11:19

What sort of serious discussions are people looking for?

I'm happy with serious discussions only happening when needed. Life happens all the time, so it's nice to have time to enjoy the fun parts when there's nothing serious to be discussed.

I'd say the OP is meaning they never got beyond discussing the weather or what's been going on in the club/hobby they do together.

Most mature people do discuss things like their values, what they want out of the life for (now and in the future).

It doesn't have to come out as a 'Let's talk about the meaning of life now' but people do need to engage on an emotional level where they show who they are, and what they believe in.

I'm assuming this man can't do that.

Which might mean he is shallow or simply hasn't learned how to express his emotions.

Chasedbythechaser · 25/02/2023 11:33

I’m my early 30s, I dated a man in his late 40s. He asked me out to events, openings and drinks as his date. I liked him, truthfully I was impressed by him. Sex was good, he was very interesting to talk to, was ready to stay out all night if I wanted to. As time went on, I saw a future with him. I even started to worry about how I’d introduce him to older family members due to the age gap. I needn’t have worried.

I wanted to meet one weekend. He didn’t. I realised soon after that it was all on his terms. There was no emotional connection.

Like your situation, OP he had a string of short relationships behind him.

Afterwards when I was trying to come to terms with the end of the relationship, he said he was very happy on his own. He loved his life. If someone came into it for a short time, who added some fun, he’d carry on seeing them on his terms until they wanted more and then he’d end it. This was his pattern. When I said how hurt I was, he replied that he had never promised more. That was true. I think, sometimes, when it feels right, or when we want it enough, we hope the other person does too.

I was naive really. When I met DH, within a couple of months of meeting, we’d chatted about the future, if we both wanted kids etc. It was so different.

If you want a future with this man you’re seeing, I think you are right to lay your cards on the table. If you aren’t compatible, end it. I know that it is nice to have someone and you hear of people who date for ten years before committing, but I think you must both be happy to do this. It doesn’t sound like you are?

Soonenough · 25/02/2023 11:35

Like some one else , you could be dating my EX. It really doesn't change as it is ingrained behaviour. He too could lovebomb to get what he wanted. But it is a very lonely relationship to be in. So I decided I would rather actually be alone .

Walkinginthesand · 25/02/2023 11:39

Think about it - if he’s never done that before in all his many short relationships, why would he suddenly be back likely to do that now?

Unless of course he’s looking for someone to nurse him in his old age

Rose424 · 25/02/2023 11:41

Is he capable of talking about things seriously in the abstract? Does he only freeze when you talk about serious stuff regarding your relationship with him?

Chasedbythechaser · 25/02/2023 11:58

*I meant to say When I was in my early 30s.

AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 13:26

We have a laugh together but he freezes up and can't discuss any serious issues or his emotions when I bring things up.

Has he been very badly hurt in the past so he deflects anything emotional, as it's painful for him? Is he scared of being hurt?

Sadly, he sounds emotionally unavailable. At 60, he's unlikely to change, or even know how to.

If he wanted to change (not for you especially, but for anyone) he could try therapy as it does sound as if he is unable to form close attachments, for whatever reason (parenting in the past? No experience of being loved? Childhood trauma?)

Not your problem to sort him out though.

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 14:47

Another thing I don't really like is he often shows me how to do things the 'correct way' - eg mopping a floor, stacking dishwasher, even scrambling eggs, things I've been doing myself for years.

OP posts:
Starseeed · 25/02/2023 14:51

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 14:47

Another thing I don't really like is he often shows me how to do things the 'correct way' - eg mopping a floor, stacking dishwasher, even scrambling eggs, things I've been doing myself for years.

Might be an underlying anxiety perhaps - controlling his environment (including how you do things) might be his way of finding safety/order in the world.

Whether you want to live with that and can be compassionate about it is your call.

Starseeed · 25/02/2023 14:53

And also whether he can be aware enough of that (or open to you gently bringing it into his awareness) so that he doesn’t continue to project that onto you.

Chrimbob · 25/02/2023 14:55

Compassionate about mansplaining 🙄

Thisisworsethananticpated · 25/02/2023 15:08

Of course he’s not going to change!

you know this I think ! Just need it confirming

AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 17:20

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 14:47

Another thing I don't really like is he often shows me how to do things the 'correct way' - eg mopping a floor, stacking dishwasher, even scrambling eggs, things I've been doing myself for years.

Do you mean in your own home, or at his?

AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 17:38

Another thing I don't really like is he often shows me how to do things the 'correct way' - eg mopping a floor, stacking dishwasher, even scrambling eggs, things I've been doing myself for years.

I think when most people get to 60 they have their own way of doing things and can find it hard to watch other people doing it differently.

What's made you stay with him for a few months?

Great sex? Nice social life together? Any redeeming qualities?

What are you wanting - a long term relationship or a friend with benefits?

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 18:09

AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 17:20

Do you mean in your own home, or at his?

He's equally critical in both really. I'm well able to stand up for myself but he can have a superior attitude at times and make be feel a bit stupid.

To answer your second question, no, I definitely don't want a FWB setup and this is why I'm trying to find out his feelings for me, but I'm not really getting anywhere. To me, this is normal in a relationship after a certain time and I don't want to waste my time.

OP posts:
GingerAle1 · 25/02/2023 18:26

JCCJ23 · 25/02/2023 18:09

He's equally critical in both really. I'm well able to stand up for myself but he can have a superior attitude at times and make be feel a bit stupid.

To answer your second question, no, I definitely don't want a FWB setup and this is why I'm trying to find out his feelings for me, but I'm not really getting anywhere. To me, this is normal in a relationship after a certain time and I don't want to waste my time.

This alone means bin.

AIBUNo · 25/02/2023 18:33

He's set in his ways and even if he was to think that you don't know how to mop a floor or make scrambled eggs, he ought to know it's not on to criticise.

People his age will have a way of doing things ( women as well) so I do get that. But most would keep their mouths shut.

If he's not madly in love now and doesn't make you feel good, or open up, it's not going to happen.

You've not said there is great sex, or you have lots of fun, (apart from having a laugh) so it's not really clear why you want to see him at all.

At 45 you have plenty of choice apart from a 60 year old confirmed bachelor (as he appears.)

Elfandwellbeing · 25/02/2023 19:07

Nope he’s not going to change… why would he? He has what wants and needs.

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