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How to broach the "please propose" thing as a late 30s woman

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wonderingwonderingwondering · 16/02/2023 17:41

37F, in a relationship for 2.5 years with my partner. We live together, co-parent a lovely doggy, are very well suited in terms of our personalities, he's the most loving partner i've ever had. We got together during the pandemic - lived in different cities but I moved to his within 6 months and we moved in together a few months later.

A little over a year into our relationship, I got to wondering about how the relationship was going to progress. We had never had the marriage - babies conversation until then; frankly I was longterm single when I met him and had accepted my fate, didn't think these things would ever happen. Suddenly I was in love, very happy and realised I wanted to settle down and start to build my family. We've had that conversation about half a dozen times over the last year and a half and every time I raise these things I feel my partnership shut down, get annoyed, or tell me "we've spoken about this already / we have a plan".

A few months ago he started a much higher paying job, he told me he wanted to prepare for us potentially trying for a child and being able to provide well. Then, last November we decided to start trying. It's obviously only been a few months and I don't know what the journey is going to look like for us, but I've started to feel an immense urge to be married and be his wife. The "boyfriend / girlfriend" tag seems so immature and casual in contrast to what we have as a couple: he is my life partner and he's my whole life and he's told me the same about me.

Marriage doesn't seem to be a priority to him. Another important bit of context is that there was an unexpected and very sudden death in his family around this same time, which probably pushed us into starting TTC. I made some half-jokes in the lead up to Christmas about a proposal, which he addressed by saying, "it absolutely is on my mind, but now isn't the time." I understand that, at least practically. But especially as we get deeply entrenched into this TTC process - I'm beginning to get deeply impatient and wonder, "well when is?"

I want to be married. I want the status of husband and wife, I want the legal partnership, I want the protection and commitment of it. Financially we are not far apart; I have a lot of savings and investments, while he owns the house that we live in. We can afford to get married, we can afford to build our family. I'm struggling with straddling the sensitivity towards his bereavement with my own strong desire to be married to him and the frustration of feeling like this will never be a priority to him.

To make matters worse; we are surrounded by married couples with young children. A friend of mine has just gotten engaged after 6 months together; there are few childless and non married folks around me. I just don't understand his delay with this, especially if our feelings about each other are mutual.

Does anyone have any advice?

OP posts:
Josette77 · 16/02/2024 01:34

Hi Op!

I hope you are happily married and enjoying a little one of pregnant. 💝

Please update us!

caringcarer · 16/02/2024 01:48

Stop TTC. Tell him you don't want a baby unless you are married. Leave the ball in his court.

Hereyoume · 16/02/2024 08:46

wonderingwonderingwondering · 16/02/2023 17:41

37F, in a relationship for 2.5 years with my partner. We live together, co-parent a lovely doggy, are very well suited in terms of our personalities, he's the most loving partner i've ever had. We got together during the pandemic - lived in different cities but I moved to his within 6 months and we moved in together a few months later.

A little over a year into our relationship, I got to wondering about how the relationship was going to progress. We had never had the marriage - babies conversation until then; frankly I was longterm single when I met him and had accepted my fate, didn't think these things would ever happen. Suddenly I was in love, very happy and realised I wanted to settle down and start to build my family. We've had that conversation about half a dozen times over the last year and a half and every time I raise these things I feel my partnership shut down, get annoyed, or tell me "we've spoken about this already / we have a plan".

A few months ago he started a much higher paying job, he told me he wanted to prepare for us potentially trying for a child and being able to provide well. Then, last November we decided to start trying. It's obviously only been a few months and I don't know what the journey is going to look like for us, but I've started to feel an immense urge to be married and be his wife. The "boyfriend / girlfriend" tag seems so immature and casual in contrast to what we have as a couple: he is my life partner and he's my whole life and he's told me the same about me.

Marriage doesn't seem to be a priority to him. Another important bit of context is that there was an unexpected and very sudden death in his family around this same time, which probably pushed us into starting TTC. I made some half-jokes in the lead up to Christmas about a proposal, which he addressed by saying, "it absolutely is on my mind, but now isn't the time." I understand that, at least practically. But especially as we get deeply entrenched into this TTC process - I'm beginning to get deeply impatient and wonder, "well when is?"

I want to be married. I want the status of husband and wife, I want the legal partnership, I want the protection and commitment of it. Financially we are not far apart; I have a lot of savings and investments, while he owns the house that we live in. We can afford to get married, we can afford to build our family. I'm struggling with straddling the sensitivity towards his bereavement with my own strong desire to be married to him and the frustration of feeling like this will never be a priority to him.

To make matters worse; we are surrounded by married couples with young children. A friend of mine has just gotten engaged after 6 months together; there are few childless and non married folks around me. I just don't understand his delay with this, especially if our feelings about each other are mutual.

Does anyone have any advice?

To be blunt OP, what's in it for him?

You already live together.

You are willing to have a child with him.

You have sex with him.

You share bills.

Why would he marry you, you've already given him everything he would get out of being married?

wonderingwonderingwondering · 16/02/2024 09:52

OP here. We are getting married in May. We're having a destination wedding, so wedding planning has become busy recently. The venue is a gorgeous little villa and we've managed to keep the numbers modest so it will just be those closest to us and some extended family. I picked up my dress last night, and we just booked the "legal bit" ceremony last week, that will happen in April.

In less happy news, we've been TTC for more than a year now, have had all the tests and I've just been diagnosed with endometriosis following an MRI. I'll be 39 in April so have been thinking a lot about IVF, it's either that or freezing embryos and having a lap to better our implantation chances. I'm just waiting on an endo specialist appointment to see what stage / where / how bad the endo is.

In all honesty, it's been a really hard year with that slow dawning of realizing that our journey to conceiving would be longer than normal. I still hope and dream of being a mother, but I'm taking the best care of myself physically and mentally and just trying to stay excited about the wedding now too.

Thanks for all of the contributions on this thread. My OH is a good egg, I'm so lucky to have him. He's changed my world for the better.

OP posts:
Veryregretful · 16/02/2024 19:49

Do you want an actual wedding, or to be married (or both)? If what you want is to be married (which is very sensible given the circumstances) then there doesn’t need to be a ‘proposal’. It can be more of a discussion where you tell him that you would like to be married before having a child and start looking into registry office availability.

If he says he does not want this then consider do you really want to have a baby with somebody who does not want to provide the legal protection that marriage does. Also consider: ensuring that baby has your surname (either solely or double barrelled) and that you do not make any career sacrifices (ie going part time after baby is born).

Mmhmmn · 16/02/2024 20:00

Congrats OP!

BirthdayRainbow · 16/02/2024 20:05

No man is worth sacrificing what you want. I was with someone. He proposed but didn't want to get married. I told anyone and myself that living together was better than not having him at all. No. I wanted marriage and kids. Luckily he gave me another reason to leave him but no man is worth sacrificing something so important that you want. Too many men string women along then leave and are married and expecting within no time.

You need to stop TTC. Tell him that you want marriage, you don't have infinite time to get pregnant. He says he wants what you want. He needs to think about it and if he truly wants marriage then kids he needs to propose and get the wedding booked. Then in your head pick a date for how much longer you are going to wait and then be sure when that day comes whether you are leaving or staying and very well might not end up being Mrs Him.

BirthdayRainbow · 16/02/2024 20:08

Ah, I missed your update. Congrats on your wedding date. Sorry to hear about the endometriosis.

BobbyBiscuits · 16/02/2024 20:32

It could be that the notion of a pregnancy and planning a wedding at the same sort of time is a bit overwhelming for him to cope with. He's clearly committed enough if he wants kids with you. Some men are so uninterested in weddings, and even the romantic notion of marriage, they just think. Ugh. Some expensive do with a bunch of people I barely know then we have a bit of paper. I know that's far from how you feel. I would certainly not split up with him over it as you clearly really love him.

terfinthewild · 17/02/2024 23:20

If you really want the baby I would just focus on getting pregnant first. My husband wasn't too keen on marriage and I was more into it but I didn't push it too hard. When I was 5 months pregnant with our first he proposed and it was fine. He just didn't want to be pushed in to it and even though he won't admit it he loves being married now, wears his wedding ring constantly. At the end of the day 37 is an advanced age to be trying for a first baby so if you really want to start a family with this man I'd focus on that and deal with the marriage part after.

MissTrip82 · 17/02/2024 23:41

You’ve swallowed the misogynist kool aid. You think he’s doing you a favour, that he’s losing and you’re gaining. You think you’re the only one who has to worry about fertility - the poor quality of his ageing sperm will affect conception and miscarriage rate - and you think that asking him for what you want directly would somehow invalidate getting it. You actually think you’re with someone who could be pushed into marriage and you actually think of women as ‘naggers’ who force marriage on men.

Society has done an absolute number on you.

KelseyK · 18/02/2024 10:16

ganvough · 17/02/2023 11:36

Op, an engagement is the least of your concerns! So far in this relationship:

  1. you have no claim to the house you're paying rent on (as not married) as I'm guessing you're not on the deeds. If he dumps you, you'll have lost all the money you've paid and be homeless.
  2. you're paying off his mortgage and he won't even share finances with you
  3. there is no will to protect you should he die suddenly and you will still have no claim to the house as you're not a blood relative
  4. he won't marry you and refuses to even discuss it
  5. you are having a child with no house protection, financial security or legal contract - and he has no interest in offering ANY of this to you
  6. he knows you are desperate for a child due to your age and is using it as leverage to get what HE wants (a child). You are just a womb atm because he doesn't care to protect you or give you what you want
  7. none of this will change if you get pregnant before buying a house or making a will or being on the mortgage deeds or being married. He knows this hence dragging his feet.

This is not a team, OP.

This all day long @wonderingwonderingwondering

You're having sex with this man which is clouding your judgement because of all the bonding sexual hormones. This is partly why sex is traditionally reserved for marriage.

We can see what you cannot: he's using you. He's already set you up as a pseudo 'wife' in HIS house. He's treating you like an utter mug getting all the perks of a wife with absolutely none of the commitment or responsibility. You and any future child deserve infinitely more than this . 💐

The reason why things seem to be nice with him is because he's getting everything HIS way. The moment you mention your needs e.g.marriage, you've seen how his attitude changes. Please stop sleeping with him , stop TTC and insist on marriage by the end of the year. If he truly loves you, he would want to prioritise marriage and be excited to marry you.

amieloue · 18/02/2024 10:20

I've been married 10 years. There was no proposal. If I waited for one the wedding would never have happened.

KelseyK · 18/02/2024 10:20

Just seen your update, glad you've sorted out the wedding and congratulations, great news! It shows the importance of women standing up to their boyfriends and insisting on marriage. Men will always respect you much more when they see you're not a pushover and know your rights.

I would still hold off until the wedding. 💐

mrsjg · 18/02/2024 10:30

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/02/2023 21:48

sorry OP but this is a tale as old as time at least on MN

he says he wants to marry you but when you start to get into the detail of when all of a sudden you’re ‘pressurising him’

he says you should try for a baby together & then you’ll get married after that - but then funnily enough that doesn’t happen as there are other priorities and ‘look we’ve got a kid together isn’t that enough to show I love you’?

he knows damn well marriage isn’t ‘just a piece of paper’ because if he saw it as just an unimportant little piece of paper he’d marry you to make you happy but he won’t - because it’s a legal contract and he knows that

stop giving him so much power over your life

☝️This 100%

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