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My husband and the woman at work

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LizzyLisa · 13/02/2023 10:19

I posted a while a go about my husband and the strange relationship he has with a woman at work.

He kept this friendship a secret from me for months. He spent time texting her in the toilet. He would lie about who was texting him. I eventually found out and he had two secret phones in the outside toilet.

After finding out, I invited her over for dinner, tried to be friends with her. However, my husband ramped up his campaign to be noticed by her, leaving biscuits on her car, texting her at weekends asking if she was ok whilst ignoring me when I was telling him I was lonely and just giving her a lot of emotional support.

In the end I had to assert a boundary stating I was not ok with this friendship. It was an emotional affair and was ruining our marriage.

He really didn't want to stop texting her. He dialed it back a little but carried on.

He went South Africa in January. As soon as he left he was sending her pictures and they Ng to engage her about personal life. All whilst knowing I am not ok with him and her texting anymore.

When he come home we had a huge argument about it.

Saturday night he has a drink. He sat texting lots of friends all evening. I ended up leaving him downstairs watching the boxing. He slept down stairs for the night. Upon getting up in the morning he put his phone on a charging mat and went to bed leaving me to look after the kids.

Whilst cleaning up I knocked his phone off the mat and picked it up. I unlocked it to make sure the phone was ok and upon opening it a message to Helen opened with a typed but unsent message saying "I fu*king love you. I think you are so sexy".

I confronted my husband right away. He denies writing it. He says he doesn't feel that way. He is making out it doesn't matter because it wasn't sent. When we have spoken about it he says he doesn't believe it was him and how can he be sorry about something he doesn't remember doing doesn't think he has done and he has no feelings that way for her at all.

He has done exactly this before in 2015 with another woman at work but harassed her to the point it was uncomfortable to be his wife due to his obsession with her.

What is everyone else's take on this?

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jemimapuddlepluck · 14/02/2023 08:37

You won't leave and he wont stop. He knows this. After 'Helen' it will be someone else. Realistically, is there something you can do to protect yourself? Train yourself not to care?

LizzyLisa · 14/02/2023 08:42

I plan 100% on leaving him. But I am not going to tell him that until 30 seconds before it happens. I am going to get all my information together and get advice, separate accounts, sort out employment for me, and make sure I have a support network so I am alright.

I am just doing day to day things at the moment so as not to trigger anything in him that makes him suspicious of my plans. For me this is simple now. I am done.

I need to work on me. I need to love and respect me. He doesn't matter anymore.

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SallyWD · 14/02/2023 08:49

Sorry if this has been answered. Does the women reciprocate or is it all one sided - your DH essentially harassing her? I can't tell frtom your post. If it's reciprocated then they're having an affair, either physical or emotional or both. If it's all one sided then your husband is a creepy and dangerous man. I'm surprised she hadn't reported him! Either way, I don't think I could stay in the marriage. It's just awful.

bananaAgogo · 14/02/2023 08:53

You are enabling him to do all this shit by not getting divorced. He doesn't want to be with you.
Let him go

jemimapuddlepluck · 14/02/2023 09:01

LizzyLisa · 14/02/2023 08:42

I plan 100% on leaving him. But I am not going to tell him that until 30 seconds before it happens. I am going to get all my information together and get advice, separate accounts, sort out employment for me, and make sure I have a support network so I am alright.

I am just doing day to day things at the moment so as not to trigger anything in him that makes him suspicious of my plans. For me this is simple now. I am done.

I need to work on me. I need to love and respect me. He doesn't matter anymore.

You need to get in touch with Womens Aid. Rights of women, Citizens Advice etc. You could do that today. You will be entitled to benefits with 2 disabled children. Remember op, be realistic. It would be very difficult for you to work and I think you are already putting barriers up yourself to make it more difficult to leave.
I didnt mean to be flippant with my earlier response but you have swallowed his bullshit for a long time. Think long and hard wether you will actually leave. If not, you are going to have to find coping mechanisms to deal with what he does. He will continue with this behaviour, it's what he does. Take care.

LizzyLisa · 14/02/2023 09:49

I have given myself a good talking to and honestly I have assessed my needs. The way I see it 6 months of feeling sad over a lifetime of abuse is a no brainer. After 20 years he is showing no signs of change. It's time to hang the gloves up and face defeat with this relationship. I deserve more, want more, and most importantly I need more.

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Fairislefandango · 14/02/2023 10:21

Well done, OP Flowers. You do indeed deserve more.

Crikeyalmighty · 14/02/2023 11:13

@LizzyLisa that's exactly the way to do it lovely- put yourself first- he clearly has!

LizzyLisa · 14/02/2023 13:04

At the beginning she went to him to "vent" because her husband was having an affair with a woman he was working with. She asked him to keep the conversation a secret. Afterwards she gave him her number and he gave her his.

I had never heard of this woman since he started working there in 2015.

I noticed since June 2022 he started to withdraw. Became distant. Loving words or efforts were less and less. He would go out to the toilet for up to 15/20 minutes each morning. Right before bed he would go out to the outside toilet for 20/30 minutes.

When his watch buzzed in bed he would hide the face. He would sit on his phone all the time with the screen turned away from me. When I would ask who he was texting he would say it was a karate group chat.

When I asked him to meet my needs with my love language he refused as I need words of affirmation. He said he found it impossible.

When I asked to sit down and talk to him because I felt something was off he would dismiss me because ai would bring up the past and the times he had done things before because I felt like he was sneaking around again and he would suit me down.

One evening I went into the outside toilet and found a work phone (that he agreed he would never bring into the house again because of former misconduct) and another phone.

I opened both phones and found the messages to Helen.

I was shocked as I had never heard of her. There was nothing flirty or alarming as such. However, he was offering her an ear for venting. Giving her kind words. Building her up. Offering guitar lessons to her kids when our own children had been asked to be taught and he had not bothered. He would text her first thing in the morning and at night before sleep.

For the longest while after I found out about the secret friendship he has told me (or gaslighted me into believing) he was lonely, wanted and needed a friend, felt uncomfortable telling me about her because of his prior track record with women.

I invited her to dinner to try and be ok with their friendship. I took his word for it that it was what he was saying it was.

After the dinner the messages between them were prolific.

She would call him to rant when he was driving. She would be talking to him all evening and he would take time out from his karate to text her during lessons (something he has never done for me). I found it more offensive that one day he went karate, I had a very high temperature, was left at home looking after two kids feeling very unwell, and whilst on his way to karate, during karate and on the way back from karate he was texting and calling her but didn't bother once to find out how I was or how I was coping with looking after the children in the state I was in.

After a solicitors appointment Helen went into work upset and at the end of the day he left her biscuits on her car which he didn't tell me about but she quite feely flaunted to me.

I remember the weekend before my birthday I told him I felt lonely, I walked out the room after being ignored to come back in and find him texting her to see if she was ok.

The final straw was one date night he told me he felt disconnected. When I said it was because we were arguing all the time about the attention he was giving Helen he denied it.

I lost my temper created a group chat and told them no more. I told her exactly what he had been doing to me. I told her I didn't like her venting to my husband and he could not be her emotional support.

It has been dialled back since but in January when he went South Africa, he text he within a day of landing trying to have conversations about her personal life and crossing my boundaries I had set.

She stopped texting him when she realised he was being inappropriate and was crossing the line I had set.

When he got home they carried on texting for "work related reasons".

When I saw the South Africa messages I said no more.

I did not accept the moment he is out of sight he tries to rekindle the friendship, and more over he sent her pictures of his trip and he never does that for even me, despite asking him.

It has been quite since 16 January and I said a big final No. Then on 11 Febuary 2023 things transpired as per the begining of this post.

He is still saying he does not remember writing the message. He doesn't have those feeling for her. I asked him as a bear minimum to delete her from all social media and block her and remove her number. He has done that. He claims he is avoiding all contact at work with her Barr anything absolutely necessary now.

Honestly, I don't care what is or isn't going on now.

I have made up my mind I am leaving.

Reading psychology articles and not just stereotypes about NPD. I genuinely believe he has this disorder.

He honestly doesn't understand basic human relationships and appropriate behaviours. He has a massive lack of self esteem and it doesn't occur to him how many chances he has been given or what it is doing to me or the kids when he pulls this shit. He lacks empathy. He is not arrogant or self loving or anything like that. He comes accross as confident but he genuinely believes he doesn't deserve what he has or believes that anyone loves him. I am of the opinion it isn't my job to fix him. It isn't my job to counsel him. It isn't my job to to discovery for him. If he wants a fulfilled life he is the owner of breaking his own disruptive cycle. I can only take control of how I act, own how I feel, and be the writer of my own boundaries. I cannot tolerate his behaviour anymore. He is killing me because he hates himself. I am not going to let him do this anymore.

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Bluebirdiee · 16/02/2023 15:07

OP he sounds like an absolute creep.

Well done for deciding to get rid of this man. It doesn't sound like he respects you in the slightest.

WidthofaLine · 16/02/2023 15:20

He is killing me because he hates himself. I am not going to let him do this anymore.

I don't think he hates himself, I think he find's himself invincible, too big for his own boots but the only person that can change that is you.

Withdraw everthing from him, do nothing for him, speak to him as a stanger and get the hell away from this cruel man.
Gather your strength and get a solicitor to help you, this man doesn't play fair, do everthing in a legal capacity and do not trust him in any step of the way.

His cruelty shouts out in your posts.

Doggybagwarrior · 16/02/2023 19:51

Just chuck him the fuck out already.

There's a time and a place for a thought out, subtle, escape plan. This is not it. This is more GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE YOU DIRTY CRAZY MAKING CHLAMYDIA FESTIVAL. Locks changed. Clothes binned. In-laws filled in. D.i.v.o.r.c.e. Done.

Honestly, he is going to chip, chip, chip further away at your esteem and the next thing you'll know is it's 2030 and you are a mere shell of what you are today.

Good riddance and good luck.

Popplcroft · 16/02/2023 21:49

He has a massive lack of self esteem and it doesn't occur to him how many chances he has been given or what it is doing to me or the kids when he pulls this shit. He lacks empathy. He is not arrogant or self loving or anything like that. He comes accross as confident but he genuinely believes he doesn't deserve what he has or believes that anyone loves him

this is all wrong. He does it because you’ve let him. He thinks he’s clever. Don’t fall for the sob story.

LizzyLisa · 17/02/2023 07:44

I can't just kick him out like that because we own the house without a mortgage as Tennant's in common. I would need an occupation order. Without proof of abuse, which I do not have it is going to be hard getting that order.

I have been trying to get support from LWA for a long time but whoever they put on my case is incompetent and doesn't give me proper appointments or keep them.

It's highly frustrating.

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Doggybagwarrior · 17/02/2023 19:33

Im not sure why that would mean you can't kick him out...

WidthofaLine · 17/02/2023 21:38

LizzyLisa · 17/02/2023 07:44

I can't just kick him out like that because we own the house without a mortgage as Tennant's in common. I would need an occupation order. Without proof of abuse, which I do not have it is going to be hard getting that order.

I have been trying to get support from LWA for a long time but whoever they put on my case is incompetent and doesn't give me proper appointments or keep them.

It's highly frustrating.

You don't need anyone elses permission to end your marriage.
You make a phone call and make an appointment with a solicitor, take it from there.

The house can go on the market, you do not need to tell him anything or accept his viewpoint anymore, can you not see this is what he has done to you. He does not take you into account yet you are still taking him into account.

Pretend in your own head that he no longer exists, you are 13 again, single, living at home with your parents, he is not relavant to you or your life.
He is still controlling your thoughts which makes me think he is intimidating, so strong can someones fear over you be that they don't actually have to be in your presence to shape and form your views, those views that always have their best interests and to be put first in all instances.
He is controlling you, without force just by intimidation.

You really need to be apart from him for the bonds to loosen and for your confidence to return.

username1722 · 17/02/2023 22:59

He has done exactly this before in 2015 with another woman at work but harassed her to the point it was uncomfortable to be his wife due to his obsession with her.

I think that was your first red flag. I would have left at that point and not spent years wasting my life on someone like that.

Also, I would not accept a partner trying to worm his way out of a situation by saying he can't remember because he was drunk.

He's a walking red flag. He has no respect for you at all. You asked him not to text her, he "dials back" on it but then continues to text her and befriend her. He has an obsession with her and it's not going to go away. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already slept with her. If he hasn't, it's only a matter of time.

Do yourself a favour and stop wasting your life on him. He's not worth it and you're only going to keep experiencing this nonsense with him again and again.

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LizzyLisa · 20/02/2023 10:33

Because a court would say he has a legal entitlement to leave in the house he jointly owns with me. So would the police. I can’t even change the locks.

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