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On the receiving end of an abusive rant - any insight please?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 08:24

I finished a very long term relationship of over 20 years (basically my adult life thus far) about 16 months ago after he was mean and horrible on holiday. He apologised at the time and I've occasionally kept in touch and met him for a drink on maybe a handful of occasions since then. As an individual, he is a good conversationalist and I always enjoyed chatting with him about a variety of things. But he always had to be opinionated, and be right about everything. There were lots of little put downs and I finished up having to pay for everything. He took VR from his job several years ago and received a decent payout, but then took a lower paid job as he "didn't want to go back into the rat race" and said that over the years he had bankrolled me. He hadn't. Yes he bought me things, as did I.

This is not to be asked "why did you keep in touch, why didn't you block him (I have now blocked him) but to try and get to the bottom of why he acted this way. I'd prefer MN input rather than being told to read Lundy Bancroft for now, though I do have the book and haven't yet read it.

I met him for a few (non-alcoholic) drinks on Sunday afternoon and gave him a lift home. I'd told him I wanted to be home for a certain time. In the car park he started a conversation saying he hoped we could get back together, but he couldn't understand why I didn't show him any "affection". What I said was that I needed to go home, and bringing this up out of the blue on a freezing cold night in a car park had upset my evening, and I would discuss it some other time but not now. He then said some unkind things.

We spoke on the phone last night and he brought up the issue of him being abusive on holiday in 09/2021. He says that the reason he does this is because I didn't show him any affection and it all reaches a breaking point. I simply let him go on and on with no intention of a discussion (he kept saying "I'm speaking now not you"). I did ask him if he thought that "lack of affection" justified abusive behaviour and he said yes, he thought it did. He said I had been like a brick, like a stone, cold as ice (this is untrue. I was pleasant and sociable when out with him as I would have been with anyone else).

He brought up things like "if you went to the bar or the loo, you didn't pat me on the arm/tweak my ear/slap my arse) - that last one is a killer, it's not something I would ever do and never have and I wouldn't tolerate it from a partner. (He later said he was being "flippant" when he said that, but I have ADHD and I need clarity, not allusions and analogies as I take things at face value.

I have always been the one to pick him up and go out, but he says I have been taking him for a mug. Cold and like a stone to him means not being tactile. I do hug friends, but not stupid taps and tweaks as he is mentioning. I have never done this, ever, so why bring it up?

He also dragged up an incident 18 months ago when we were still together and he and his friend called round one morning to cut a tree down in my backyard. He'd said he was going to do this but they just appeared and I didn't even hear them - they didn't ring the doorbell or anything. My old cat, almost 20, was on her last legs and I had her put to sleep a day or two later. I had been up all night with her and this was why I slept in that morning, and at the time he knew that. But had conveniently forgotten.

He once drove me to an appointment and had to hang around for me, and he said I didn't show any appreciation. At the time I said thank you, more than once. "Oh yes. Thank you. Big deal" was his response. What did he expect, a 21-gun salute?

He went on about not holding hands, not touching him on the shoulder, patting his knee, how he always opened the car door for me and I just take it for granted etc. TBH I don't really notice chivalrous gestures, maybe because I'm not living in the 50s? I don't know. But if someone holds a door open for me I always say thank you. I don't ever recall him parking a car, getting out and coming round to open my door like a chauffeur so I don't know what he means.

I didn't really respond to him much last night, just let him rave on, and he took that to mean that I was chastened and cowed and had no answer for him because I allegedly knew he was right. In fact, I allowed him to go on as I wanted to hear what he had to say before I blocked him.

He's twisted this to make me out to be the abusive one. He says I changed over the years and he is right, but this is a gradual thing. More moaning and negging from him, and not listening when I told him to stop it equals pulling away, ever so gradually and him responding in abusive ways.

It's all put to bed now, I won't be meeting him again even socially, and I have blocked him and won't reply to any contact. But I am seeking some understanding because I haven't any.

Thanks for reading this far.

OP posts:
Merlott · 24/01/2023 12:46

Why do you care so much about this person? Why are you expending so much mental and emotional effort analysing their behaviour?

What do you hope to gain by posting here?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:49

Merlott · 24/01/2023 12:46

Why do you care so much about this person? Why are you expending so much mental and emotional effort analysing their behaviour?

What do you hope to gain by posting here?

It happened yesterday. I very rarely expend time and effort thinking about him, however, this incident happened very recently, Sunday evening and last night. I don't want to talk to friends about him.

I don't 'care so much' about him, either. I care about myself, and I hoped to gain insight. I'm not spending every minute of every day analysing him, thinking about him or worrying. But it IS at the forefront of my mind because of the recent incidents which were shocking.

OP posts:
20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 24/01/2023 12:52

Gosh, I’m wondering if some of the responders on here are actually him.

but, honestly OP, if you were together 20 years, not wanting to live together etc, then maybe it was time to call it a day years ago… let you both move on with your lives.

im married to someone who is not very affectionate. I have no doubt that he loves me. He’s just not affectionate (I suspect asd)

Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 12:54

Yes I get you. I think it's been playing on my mind that there is something about me as a person that triggers things in him to cause this behaviour. That is what he said, but to be fair, if you're unhappy with something, you have a respectful conversation about it, not bully someone and then tell them they deserved it because they weren't doing what you wanted or expected

So you have that heart/head difference, then. Where you know in your mind what's right for you, but in your heart, you go a different way, is that right? The self critical bit isn't in your thoughts... you know he's doing wrong by you? But it still triggers emotional insecurity, and a desire to try to fix it, because then there won't be anything wrong that might be 'your fault'?

Am I barking up the wrong tree? The reason I'm barking at this tree is because if I'm right, I've been where you are, and I know how to get out.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:54

20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 24/01/2023 12:52

Gosh, I’m wondering if some of the responders on here are actually him.

but, honestly OP, if you were together 20 years, not wanting to live together etc, then maybe it was time to call it a day years ago… let you both move on with your lives.

im married to someone who is not very affectionate. I have no doubt that he loves me. He’s just not affectionate (I suspect asd)

He did want us to live together, but I have cats. I've always had cats, and he dislikes cats intensely. He asked me to rehome them and I refused, and he said that proved that I didn't love him, and loved the cats more. That was the start of it going downhill. He then acquired four golden retrievers himself!

OP posts:
ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:57

Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 12:54

Yes I get you. I think it's been playing on my mind that there is something about me as a person that triggers things in him to cause this behaviour. That is what he said, but to be fair, if you're unhappy with something, you have a respectful conversation about it, not bully someone and then tell them they deserved it because they weren't doing what you wanted or expected

So you have that heart/head difference, then. Where you know in your mind what's right for you, but in your heart, you go a different way, is that right? The self critical bit isn't in your thoughts... you know he's doing wrong by you? But it still triggers emotional insecurity, and a desire to try to fix it, because then there won't be anything wrong that might be 'your fault'?

Am I barking up the wrong tree? The reason I'm barking at this tree is because if I'm right, I've been where you are, and I know how to get out.

Woof woof. I think you are barking very loudly up the right tree about emotional insecurity. I've plenty of friends who care about me, and I guess it's niggled me in that I'm a fraud, kicked in a bit of impostor syndrome now he's said this. However I don't want to fix anything as in do what he wants to make things right and get back with him. I will stand my ground on what I feel is right, but I knew that didn't sit well with him lots of the time.

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 13:02

OK, so, what was your childhood like? Were your feelings listened to and respected? Where's the first time you can remember feeling this heart/head divide thing, where you knew in your mind that something someone was doing/saying to you was out of order, but you tried to find a way around it that involved better understanding the situation, rather than walking away? It's often with a parent. Was a parent treating you poorly or not giving you enough attention (due to addiction/illness/demanding sibling etc) and you tried to 'get it ' from their side, to alleviate your unpleasant feelings?

Tigresses · 24/01/2023 13:02

OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 12:43

Oh my goodness. I haven’t “goaded” or “attacked” the OP in any way! I have suggested a slightly different perspective than the OP’s own, which might have given her some insight into her situation. The fact is, that she is not open to any perspective but her own. Fine, but that doesn’t make my disagreeing position a goading or attacking one.

Honestly I find it mad how much Mumsnet has changed lately, it used to be a conversation forum, now any view expressed that’s different from the OP is labelled goading and attacking?

I wish you well OP.

Quite a few posters have independently noted goading - so maybe it’s worth you also taking your own advice and considering the opinions of multiple others into your mix.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 13:04

Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 13:02

OK, so, what was your childhood like? Were your feelings listened to and respected? Where's the first time you can remember feeling this heart/head divide thing, where you knew in your mind that something someone was doing/saying to you was out of order, but you tried to find a way around it that involved better understanding the situation, rather than walking away? It's often with a parent. Was a parent treating you poorly or not giving you enough attention (due to addiction/illness/demanding sibling etc) and you tried to 'get it ' from their side, to alleviate your unpleasant feelings?

No they weren't! I was minimised and not listened to at all. My brothers were, though.

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RitaFromThePitCanteen · 24/01/2023 13:06

He's an abusive prick who is upset that his punching bag has managed to escape and so has tried to verbally hurt you as much as possible in revenge. Ignore his ramblings. It's not a crime to not be into PDA and, additionally it's not acceptable to decide to punish someone who isn't into PDA with abusive behaviour. Or to punish them for being upset that their cat is dying. Or because you weren't aware that his friend had come round. Or, you know, to punish your partner at all, for any reason.

Also, ignore those who are doing their best to side with a man who abused you while you were in a relationship with him and continues to try to do so now you have left. Some posters here will automatically side with a man, no matter what he has done.

I'm glad you've blocked him now.

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 24/01/2023 13:12

OP from reading through the thread it looks like you are both wrong for each other and he wanted you to be right for him so he tried to change you - but you are a unique special person and have your own mind. This is where you both clash because you would not bend for him.
That to me is a massive red flag, and you were right to end it.

AlisonDonut · 24/01/2023 13:12

OP - from what I can see he is an abusive goady sex pest.

If you think of everything he did as being trying to get you to agree to his goady sex pesty needs, and you finally seeing the light after 20 years then it might help you to reframe this as being thankful you got out whilst you could.

And thank heavens you didn't live together. He'd have drained your finances.

And sorry for the loss of your kitty. Flowers

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 13:15

@AlisonDonut Tomorrow would have been her 21st birthday

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AlisonDonut · 24/01/2023 13:29

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 13:15

@AlisonDonut Tomorrow would have been her 21st birthday

Aw bless her.

billy1966 · 24/01/2023 13:36

He sounds odious and you are right to have blocked him.

Best of luck for your future.

Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 14:09

So, when you were a kid, you couldn't walk away, so you had to find a way to make sense of what was happening, and that's where you've been conditioned.

That child who was never listened to is still inside you, still unheard. She's still trying to rationalise why nobody is listening to her. She has not been heard or respected, ever. Can you imagine how upset she must be? I'm not sure how old you are, but that's how many years she's had her feelings pummelled into the ground.

Do you know who needs to listen to her?

Pixiedust1234 · 24/01/2023 14:30

I'm here for watchkeys words as they are remarkably accurate (for me).

OP - he says and does these things for one reason only. Because he can.
That is the underlying premis of Lundys book. There is never a "real" reason that a normal person can accept...because what he does is not normal

Over40Overdating · 24/01/2023 14:31

You’ve had a lot of good advice and analysis OP, so I won’t add any more about what he might be driven by.

But I’ve been in your shoes: when I think of the things I put up with in the past from ex partners who only seemed to be kind or loving when they were getting everything on their terms - I could weep!

What he thinks doesn’t matter any more. What matters is how you go forward knowing your worth and how to drop a turd like this the very second he starts to sink.
If that’s what you want.
If staying single is your long term plan, that self love and worth is just as important.

Tinkerbyebye · 24/01/2023 14:54

OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 09:13

I do t know OP, he sounds very frustrated and starved of affection. It must be horrible to live with someone who never reaches out to you with any affectionate gestures.
Im not seeing what’s abusive - an angry rant, while unpleasant to be on the receiving end of, isn’t inherently abusive.
You sound cold and closed off to me, and instead of listening to your partner you’re unable to accept you may have any faults and you’re just labelling it moaning/ negging/ abuse and blocking him so you don’t have to consider anything he’s saying to you.

@OwwwMuuuum

I suggest you re read the post, clues in the first line, it’s over, this was a rant by him on everything he perceived she did wrong, and taking no accountability for wga5 she perceived he did wrong

Tinkerbyebye · 24/01/2023 14:57

Op

you can’t give him headspace any more. Don’t even think about what he said, he is certainly not going to take accountability for his behaviour

you have recognised what he is like, know that some of what he said is not actually correct( and you just have to accept it’s his perception) and have blocked him amd won’t meet with him again

Thats good, it’s the way forward, don’t think about him again

piedbeauty · 24/01/2023 15:00

Why did you keep listening to him?? I'd have hung up.

And why are you wondering about him and his motivations? Why waste the time and head space?

I'd move on, forget him. Think about YOU and what you want.

KettrickenSmiled · 24/01/2023 15:01

When you make time to read Lundy Bancroft it will all start to make a lot more sense OP. Top tip - when you DO start, make sure to allocate 'extra time' to your reading, when you have already organised a small treat or relaxation for yourself afterwards. It will be hard work, once you start to recognise the pattenrs that made up your ex's abuse of you, & how similar his individual characteristics are to every one of the men who operate by The Script.
But you must do it - it will guard you from getting enmeshed with men like this in future.

As you're looking for a summary ahead of that -
Your Ex sounds like he has some kind of Cluster-B personality disorder.
Like most of these people, he thrives on conflict, feeds off melodrama. & needs to control his partner.

As soon as you let him back in with this odd 'friendship', he began undermining you again. One of his tactics, as it is for so many, is the classic DARVO - where he tells you that his awful behaviour is YOUR fault, & he is actually the hero/victim to your persecutor.
www.banyantherapy.com/darvo/
You know it's bullshit - right?

Well done for blocking.
You've got some homework to do, getting this man out of your headspace.
When you are ready, I urge you to complete this course - you can do it online now, for just a few quid -
www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/online.php

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 15:20

I just downloaded it at work to start reading, though I do have the real book at home.

He told me that I was immature when we were younger. Of course I was. I'd ended a relationship with a control freak and then gone out with someone else for a short while who couldn't commit, so I was a bit stuffed up at the time.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 16:08

I read the first few chapters, really good book so far.

Back to my ex, and his previous relationship before me. He was very busy with outside interests such as cycling and being part of a team. He used to grumble about his then partner, but said that it was OK because he could more or less do what he wanted, go cycling and to football and she didn't mind. But he did pull her to pieces, saying her attitude was dismissive and she wasn't affectionate enough. That she was boring. He said the same about me last night. I've just remembered that.

OP posts:
frozendaisy · 24/01/2023 16:18

He used you as a low level punchbag when you were in the relationship and now you've escaped he hasn't got anyone to have power over.

So stay escaped and enjoy not having to put up with any of this again.