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On the receiving end of an abusive rant - any insight please?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 08:24

I finished a very long term relationship of over 20 years (basically my adult life thus far) about 16 months ago after he was mean and horrible on holiday. He apologised at the time and I've occasionally kept in touch and met him for a drink on maybe a handful of occasions since then. As an individual, he is a good conversationalist and I always enjoyed chatting with him about a variety of things. But he always had to be opinionated, and be right about everything. There were lots of little put downs and I finished up having to pay for everything. He took VR from his job several years ago and received a decent payout, but then took a lower paid job as he "didn't want to go back into the rat race" and said that over the years he had bankrolled me. He hadn't. Yes he bought me things, as did I.

This is not to be asked "why did you keep in touch, why didn't you block him (I have now blocked him) but to try and get to the bottom of why he acted this way. I'd prefer MN input rather than being told to read Lundy Bancroft for now, though I do have the book and haven't yet read it.

I met him for a few (non-alcoholic) drinks on Sunday afternoon and gave him a lift home. I'd told him I wanted to be home for a certain time. In the car park he started a conversation saying he hoped we could get back together, but he couldn't understand why I didn't show him any "affection". What I said was that I needed to go home, and bringing this up out of the blue on a freezing cold night in a car park had upset my evening, and I would discuss it some other time but not now. He then said some unkind things.

We spoke on the phone last night and he brought up the issue of him being abusive on holiday in 09/2021. He says that the reason he does this is because I didn't show him any affection and it all reaches a breaking point. I simply let him go on and on with no intention of a discussion (he kept saying "I'm speaking now not you"). I did ask him if he thought that "lack of affection" justified abusive behaviour and he said yes, he thought it did. He said I had been like a brick, like a stone, cold as ice (this is untrue. I was pleasant and sociable when out with him as I would have been with anyone else).

He brought up things like "if you went to the bar or the loo, you didn't pat me on the arm/tweak my ear/slap my arse) - that last one is a killer, it's not something I would ever do and never have and I wouldn't tolerate it from a partner. (He later said he was being "flippant" when he said that, but I have ADHD and I need clarity, not allusions and analogies as I take things at face value.

I have always been the one to pick him up and go out, but he says I have been taking him for a mug. Cold and like a stone to him means not being tactile. I do hug friends, but not stupid taps and tweaks as he is mentioning. I have never done this, ever, so why bring it up?

He also dragged up an incident 18 months ago when we were still together and he and his friend called round one morning to cut a tree down in my backyard. He'd said he was going to do this but they just appeared and I didn't even hear them - they didn't ring the doorbell or anything. My old cat, almost 20, was on her last legs and I had her put to sleep a day or two later. I had been up all night with her and this was why I slept in that morning, and at the time he knew that. But had conveniently forgotten.

He once drove me to an appointment and had to hang around for me, and he said I didn't show any appreciation. At the time I said thank you, more than once. "Oh yes. Thank you. Big deal" was his response. What did he expect, a 21-gun salute?

He went on about not holding hands, not touching him on the shoulder, patting his knee, how he always opened the car door for me and I just take it for granted etc. TBH I don't really notice chivalrous gestures, maybe because I'm not living in the 50s? I don't know. But if someone holds a door open for me I always say thank you. I don't ever recall him parking a car, getting out and coming round to open my door like a chauffeur so I don't know what he means.

I didn't really respond to him much last night, just let him rave on, and he took that to mean that I was chastened and cowed and had no answer for him because I allegedly knew he was right. In fact, I allowed him to go on as I wanted to hear what he had to say before I blocked him.

He's twisted this to make me out to be the abusive one. He says I changed over the years and he is right, but this is a gradual thing. More moaning and negging from him, and not listening when I told him to stop it equals pulling away, ever so gradually and him responding in abusive ways.

It's all put to bed now, I won't be meeting him again even socially, and I have blocked him and won't reply to any contact. But I am seeking some understanding because I haven't any.

Thanks for reading this far.

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FloydPepper · 24/01/2023 09:33

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:26

I have listened. I've disagreed. I'm not cold. Ask any of my friends. But nobody can as they're not on Mumsnet.

You'll just have to take my word that I ended it because of years of negging and abuse. What else would you call mocking someone's ADHD, badgering for sex every morning and evening more than once, which is why I kept sleepovers to a minimum, swearing, drinking too much, taking advantage financially and not contributing to holidays other than cooking with ingredients I'd paid for. It didn't happen every time I saw him but abuse doesn't, does it?

Granted it was a slow progression of this behaviour, but it happened and I didn't want to give myself emotionally and sexually to someone who didn't seem to respect me as a person.

Fine. Just say in your first post you only want responses that agree.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:34

OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 09:32

Sounds like you’ve got it all sorted then OP! If you have all the answers and nobody on Mumsnet can possibly understand you then why have you made this post? Trying to be a bit more open to others perspectives might be good for you.

I am open to other perspectives. Yours just happened to be way off beam.

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Shgytfgtf111 · 24/01/2023 09:35

I mean this gently, but who cares what he thinks or says?

He was abusive and is continuing to be, dont allow it anymore and move on.

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OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 09:35

Ok OP! I rest my case 😂

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Shgytfgtf111 · 24/01/2023 09:35

Dont try to figure out why he does what he does is what I mean. Who cares why he says hurtful things? He does but you dont need to put up with it anymore.

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ArcticSkewer · 24/01/2023 09:36

I'm not clear what insight you are looking for here.

He told you his version of events and why he was unhappy. But you chose to leave him, rather than him leave you. It's a way of getting the last word or saying that he would have left you if you hadn't left him.

In personal relationships it is up for interpretation - there isn't necessarily an objective truth, rights and wrong. Just because he says something that he may or may not believe to be true, doesn't mean you are 'wrong' if you don't see things that way.

Many people on the autistic spectrum, for instance, may appear cold and unaffectionate to others whilst not feeling so nor thinking that they come across that way.

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Macaroni46 · 24/01/2023 09:36

If you've ended it (which seems the right thing to have done) why are you still in contact with him? Why are you trying to understand what he's saying? You never will. You're clearly not good together. Try to put him behind you and move on. Maybe some counselling to help you get him out of your head.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:37

OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 09:35

Ok OP! I rest my case 😂

You can have him as you seem to think he's ok!

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FloydPepper · 24/01/2023 09:38

Last point as you don’t want to hear from me

tigether 20 years but “kept sleepovers to a minimum”. Sleepovers? After 20 years. I think referring to it as that, and minimising them, whilst saying you’re not cold, means you’re not seeing your own part in any of this

maybe he is abusive? Maybe you’re being nterpreting normal
unhappiness with your behaviour as something else. Unless you’re open to that you’ll never know, but yep, snap at anyone not agreeing

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Daffodilis · 24/01/2023 09:41

FloydPepper · 24/01/2023 09:38

Last point as you don’t want to hear from me

tigether 20 years but “kept sleepovers to a minimum”. Sleepovers? After 20 years. I think referring to it as that, and minimising them, whilst saying you’re not cold, means you’re not seeing your own part in any of this

maybe he is abusive? Maybe you’re being nterpreting normal
unhappiness with your behaviour as something else. Unless you’re open to that you’ll never know, but yep, snap at anyone not agreeing

You're being a tad snappy yourself

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FloydPepper · 24/01/2023 09:43

Daffodilis · 24/01/2023 09:41

You're being a tad snappy yourself

Ah, and for that I apologise. Not my intention

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:43

FloydPepper · 24/01/2023 09:38

Last point as you don’t want to hear from me

tigether 20 years but “kept sleepovers to a minimum”. Sleepovers? After 20 years. I think referring to it as that, and minimising them, whilst saying you’re not cold, means you’re not seeing your own part in any of this

maybe he is abusive? Maybe you’re being nterpreting normal
unhappiness with your behaviour as something else. Unless you’re open to that you’ll never know, but yep, snap at anyone not agreeing

I'm talking about the later years. Sleepover was a convenient term rather than minimising. Of course it wasn't like that when we first met. We were students.

If we slept together - and I mean staying overnight or on holiday - he wanted sex every morning more than once and sulked if I said no as I needed to get ready for work. He wanted it every evening too. And then again in the morning. All through the relationship. And he sulked and snapped if I tried to have a conversation about it.

That may be some people's normal but it's not mine.

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Daffodilis · 24/01/2023 09:45

FloydPepper · 24/01/2023 09:43

Ah, and for that I apologise. Not my intention

👍🙂

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:50

He would also interpret any affectionate gesture as meaning he was on a promise

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Shgytfgtf111 · 24/01/2023 09:52

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:50

He would also interpret any affectionate gesture as meaning he was on a promise

Honestly you are giving him far too much headspace. You ended it and dont need to justify it to anyone.

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ArcticSkewer · 24/01/2023 09:58

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:50

He would also interpret any affectionate gesture as meaning he was on a promise

Op, you are right.

Hope that helps you move on.

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heldinadream · 24/01/2023 10:05

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron I think what's happening here is that you are re-framing this very long and majorly significant relationship. I think you made excuses for him all the way through and continued to after it ended. I think last night the rant has made you wake up to the fact that this man has always been abusive, demanding and controlling and you are on some level therefore re-evaluating your whole life, even down to who YOU are. So you're in shock and feeling the ripples deep down throughout your being.
I think you're basically a strong woman who is finding it hard to admit to yourself that you allowed yourself to go along with his abusiveness for so long.
I think this is a huge new beginning for you, but you've got a lot of past to process. And I wish you well.
Disclosure- retired psychotherapist. And I would never ever have said I think so many times to a client, it would have been a long teasing out of things, gently supporting the client to find things out for themselves. But here we are, this is mumsnet not therapy, and I think (sorry!) you might be able to make use of this perspective. Very best wishes to you.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 10:06

ArcticSkewer · 24/01/2023 09:58

Op, you are right.

Hope that helps you move on.

Right about what, to dump him?

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Crunchingleaf · 24/01/2023 10:10

20 years is a long time to be in a relationship especially in a relationship with someone you are incompatible with and who treats you badly.
I think it’s natural to wonder about the motivations of someone who has been abusive towards you. The constant put downs and sulking if you say no to sex takes a huge toll on you emotionally and mentally.
Abusers don’t admit to being an abuser. They are always the victim in every scenario. They will twist everything to suit their own narrative. You will get no answers trying to understand them. They don’t have self awareness to understand themselves. Things like telling you you weren’t affectionate enough to him is BS, it’s either a sign that you weren’t compatible or else you were driven to withdraw from the relationship due to being put down constantly.
It’s worth examining yourself and your own actions. What was your self esteem like? Did you ignore red flags? Were you unhappy and yet stayed in the relationship? This is very important if you intend on entering another relationship. You want to make sure you’re in a good headspace.
I have a child with my Ex so I can’t block him so end up listening (by listening I mean ignoring and going about my business) to his rants about what a terrible person I am every now and again.
You get a clean break here OP.

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queenMab99 · 24/01/2023 10:11

It doesn't really matter if he is right or wrong, you weren't happy with the relationship and have finished it. That being said, in my experience, people who are 'always right' will twist the narrative to give reasons why they behaved badly, or diminish their own bad behaviour.

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ArcticSkewer · 24/01/2023 10:16

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 10:06

Right about what, to dump him?

You are right about everything.

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Whataretheodds · 24/01/2023 10:16

You weren't happy in the relationship. You weren't compatible. Your recollections/interpretations of some scenarios in the relationship differ now. It sounds as though you weren't communicating very effectively with each other, at least for a time.
I agree it was right to end it.

He sounds like my ex - lots about him that I missed but lots of behaviour that was definitely shitty and possibly gaslighting/abusive. Still going ti have good memories and wonder if you did the right t thing, and still worth reflecting on how i was in the relationship and what i want to learn/adjust in the present and future.

What explanation are you looking for? I mean, what is it that you feel needs to be explained. What do your friends think?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 10:32

@Whataretheodds Most of my friends don't like his behaviour.

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WoolyMammoth55 · 24/01/2023 10:45

Hi OP, I didn't want to read and run. I can see that you are asking on here for feedback from MN users to try to illuminate what your ex intended with his abusive rant - is that right?

I suspect that he is missing you and annoyed at you for not changing your mind and rekindling the relationship. So even though he cares for you enough to want to rekindle things, since you're refusing he is venting his anger and frustration in all this criticism and unkindness.

It does feel like he is taking up a lot of space - emotional space, I mean - in your life and for that reason, if you were my friend, I'd suggest you try to access some counselling so that you can reflect back on this long relationship in a way that doesn't cause you any pain, or prevent you from moving on.

I'm sorry that he's been unkind and I hope you can find some peace.

Best of luck.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 11:07

@heldinadream Thanks so much. Really valuable insight.

@Crunchingleaf I thought my self esteem was fine because I wouldn't take it, but I'd challenge him. I didn't roll over and try to be better, but if something he said was valid I'd acknowledge that.

@WoolyMammoth55 Yes that's exactly what I was seeking.

He was adamant that I wound him up and pissed him off hence the reason he snapped. He acknowledged he was abusive but that I drove him to it.

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