Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

On the receiving end of an abusive rant - any insight please?

124 replies

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 08:24

I finished a very long term relationship of over 20 years (basically my adult life thus far) about 16 months ago after he was mean and horrible on holiday. He apologised at the time and I've occasionally kept in touch and met him for a drink on maybe a handful of occasions since then. As an individual, he is a good conversationalist and I always enjoyed chatting with him about a variety of things. But he always had to be opinionated, and be right about everything. There were lots of little put downs and I finished up having to pay for everything. He took VR from his job several years ago and received a decent payout, but then took a lower paid job as he "didn't want to go back into the rat race" and said that over the years he had bankrolled me. He hadn't. Yes he bought me things, as did I.

This is not to be asked "why did you keep in touch, why didn't you block him (I have now blocked him) but to try and get to the bottom of why he acted this way. I'd prefer MN input rather than being told to read Lundy Bancroft for now, though I do have the book and haven't yet read it.

I met him for a few (non-alcoholic) drinks on Sunday afternoon and gave him a lift home. I'd told him I wanted to be home for a certain time. In the car park he started a conversation saying he hoped we could get back together, but he couldn't understand why I didn't show him any "affection". What I said was that I needed to go home, and bringing this up out of the blue on a freezing cold night in a car park had upset my evening, and I would discuss it some other time but not now. He then said some unkind things.

We spoke on the phone last night and he brought up the issue of him being abusive on holiday in 09/2021. He says that the reason he does this is because I didn't show him any affection and it all reaches a breaking point. I simply let him go on and on with no intention of a discussion (he kept saying "I'm speaking now not you"). I did ask him if he thought that "lack of affection" justified abusive behaviour and he said yes, he thought it did. He said I had been like a brick, like a stone, cold as ice (this is untrue. I was pleasant and sociable when out with him as I would have been with anyone else).

He brought up things like "if you went to the bar or the loo, you didn't pat me on the arm/tweak my ear/slap my arse) - that last one is a killer, it's not something I would ever do and never have and I wouldn't tolerate it from a partner. (He later said he was being "flippant" when he said that, but I have ADHD and I need clarity, not allusions and analogies as I take things at face value.

I have always been the one to pick him up and go out, but he says I have been taking him for a mug. Cold and like a stone to him means not being tactile. I do hug friends, but not stupid taps and tweaks as he is mentioning. I have never done this, ever, so why bring it up?

He also dragged up an incident 18 months ago when we were still together and he and his friend called round one morning to cut a tree down in my backyard. He'd said he was going to do this but they just appeared and I didn't even hear them - they didn't ring the doorbell or anything. My old cat, almost 20, was on her last legs and I had her put to sleep a day or two later. I had been up all night with her and this was why I slept in that morning, and at the time he knew that. But had conveniently forgotten.

He once drove me to an appointment and had to hang around for me, and he said I didn't show any appreciation. At the time I said thank you, more than once. "Oh yes. Thank you. Big deal" was his response. What did he expect, a 21-gun salute?

He went on about not holding hands, not touching him on the shoulder, patting his knee, how he always opened the car door for me and I just take it for granted etc. TBH I don't really notice chivalrous gestures, maybe because I'm not living in the 50s? I don't know. But if someone holds a door open for me I always say thank you. I don't ever recall him parking a car, getting out and coming round to open my door like a chauffeur so I don't know what he means.

I didn't really respond to him much last night, just let him rave on, and he took that to mean that I was chastened and cowed and had no answer for him because I allegedly knew he was right. In fact, I allowed him to go on as I wanted to hear what he had to say before I blocked him.

He's twisted this to make me out to be the abusive one. He says I changed over the years and he is right, but this is a gradual thing. More moaning and negging from him, and not listening when I told him to stop it equals pulling away, ever so gradually and him responding in abusive ways.

It's all put to bed now, I won't be meeting him again even socially, and I have blocked him and won't reply to any contact. But I am seeking some understanding because I haven't any.

Thanks for reading this far.

OP posts:
GoldDuster · 24/01/2023 11:15

You went out with a dickhead for twenty years. How about that?

You still go out with him, and he's still a dickhead.

The end.

though I do have the book and haven't yet read it.

Read the book.

Newlifestartingatlast · 24/01/2023 11:30

Op, this really isn’t the place to get insight into your and this man’s motives and relationship
you will be posting a constant drip feed of “ oh yes, but” to offer a new example of a n incident which is one of many over a twenty year relationship.

you need to explore this yourself , or talk to someone who knows you well, or even someone who knows you both, if you want insight

ive spent 8 hours with a psychologist recently and were only just getting somewhere with the insights into why certain shit happened. Posting on mums net wont do it. Every time someone tries to shed light on what you’ve said so far, you know they’re not seeing it correctly- that’s because you can’t condense 20 years into a few paragraphs.

just stop posting. Thank people for their input. Go find some one to talk to who can give you time to explain things properly. And do some reading on internet- there some great self help resources out there to understand why people act like they do.

Tlolljs · 24/01/2023 11:39

This is just going to keep going round in circles.
He behaved the way he did because that’s who he is.
There is no magical explanation that will make you go ahhh now I get it.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 24/01/2023 11:39

He is a wanker OP, that is his problem. Ignore the goady posters, they are trying to get a rise out of you - they enjoy goading posters with ADHD.

BitOutOfPractice · 24/01/2023 11:43

It’s your fault that he’s abusive? You know that’s just the biggest lie in the abuser’s playbook don’t you?

BitOutOfPractice · 24/01/2023 11:44

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 24/01/2023 11:39

He is a wanker OP, that is his problem. Ignore the goady posters, they are trying to get a rise out of you - they enjoy goading posters with ADHD.

There’s a lot of apologists for crap men on mn today that’s for sure!

Whataretheodds · 24/01/2023 11:44

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 10:32

@Whataretheodds Most of my friends don't like his behaviour.

There you go. What is it you're looking for here? Are you looking for permission to move on? Reassurance that you did the right thing? Reassurance that you are not 'at fault' for his behaviour, that you didnt deserve to be shouted at and gaslighted? You have that.

Do read the book.

Sleepytimebear · 24/01/2023 11:49

I think you need to work towards accepting you won't ever understand how he can behave the way he does and not care. Abusive people don't think like normal people. They think they are right and justified in their actions and you won't change that. I know it's frustrating - I really wanted my ex husband to acknowledge how badly he had treated me for a long time. In the end I had some therapy and came to terms with the fact that he is what he is and I'll never get him to see that he did anything wrong. Read the book. It is eye opening and will I think help you start to understand and come to terms with the situation.

OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 11:50

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 24/01/2023 11:39

He is a wanker OP, that is his problem. Ignore the goady posters, they are trying to get a rise out of you - they enjoy goading posters with ADHD.

I really, really hope I’m not the “they” you are referring to here when you say, “they enjoy goading posters with ADHD.”

I was presenting my opinion, not goading, and to say that someone enjoys persecuting people with neuro differences when you have absolutely no idea - that’s just wrong.

Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 11:51

Tlolljs · 24/01/2023 11:39

This is just going to keep going round in circles.
He behaved the way he did because that’s who he is.
There is no magical explanation that will make you go ahhh now I get it.

It's healthier to psychoanalyse yourself, and work out why you need an explanation, rather than what the explanation is.

Sometimes there's no answer. Closure is something you give yourself, by realising that you don't need an explanation, rather than something you get externally, as an explanation,

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 11:55

Watchkeys · 24/01/2023 11:51

It's healthier to psychoanalyse yourself, and work out why you need an explanation, rather than what the explanation is.

Sometimes there's no answer. Closure is something you give yourself, by realising that you don't need an explanation, rather than something you get externally, as an explanation,

Yes I get you. I think it's been playing on my mind that there is something about me as a person that triggers things in him to cause this behaviour. That is what he said, but to be fair, if you're unhappy with something, you have a respectful conversation about it, not bully someone and then tell them they deserved it because they weren't doing what you wanted or expected.

OP posts:
Branleuse · 24/01/2023 11:58

I think he acted like this because hes a dickhead who thinks he deserves sex on tap and an eternally grateful sycophantic little tradwife.

I think trying to understand people who are clearly batshit, will just drive you mad

Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:03

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:09

Over the years he criticised me a lot. My driving, issues related to my ADHD "you need a carer", put downs "I thought you were an intelligent woman" for example because I bought a Katy Perry album and my phone ringtone was a cat. Not wearing heels every time I went out with him. I challenged him about this and he insisted he was right.

Over the years that caused me to withdraw emotionally. I was always pleasant with him.

I noticed that you are only responding to the posters who are negative to you.

This sad - as so many have validated your experience that he is an abusive, negging, manipulative, gas-lighting prick.

But you seem to have self doubt.

I wish you didn’t.

His conversation was the abusers classic DARVO:

Defend, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offend er.

Well done for the block. But know that over the years he has eroded you enough to allow yourself to actively be in the company of someone who bully’s you and to consider their words - and then engage with the lone negative posters here.

As others have said - only ever be in the company of people who you sense warmth, respect and kindness from.

Swerve anything less - they don’t deserve your attention.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:04

@Tigresses Thanks - I have replied to some positive posts. I felt like I had to defend myself to the others. Thank you for your comments.

OP posts:
Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:05

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 09:15

He's not my partner. We never lived together. You have zero grasp of this situation.

Again you feel the need to react to a goader.

Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:07

Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:05

Again you feel the need to react to a goader.

Which is what your ex was.

Its not natural to give affection to a goader.

Sounds like his like was / is unraveling in many other areas and instead of taking responsibility he is just projecting and discharging his anger and frustration on to you.

GerbilsForever24 · 24/01/2023 12:11

I don't really understand why you're being attacked on this thread. It sounds like actually, it wasn't a very h healthy relationship and he was coercive and controlling (thank god you didn't live together or have children) for pretty much all of it. What's happening now is just a continuation of that. He knows how to get under your skin and he's doing it.

Out of interest, has anything changed in your life recently? Have you started dating? started a new job? Moved house? bought a new car? Come into some money? Taken up a new hobby? Becuase if, since you broke up, he's still basically had you under his control and now your'e starting to break away then yes, the behaviour will be ramping up again in an attempt to control you again. You've done the right thing.

sonjadog · 24/01/2023 12:13

When I was younger, I thought I had to be polite and listen to any nonsense a man was telling me, and I have sat through rants like it sounds like this one was. Although you say you aren't taking it in and know it is nonsense, listening to those words is unpleasant and demeaning, and why should you expose yourself to something unpleasant like that. One of the best lessons I have learnt in life is that I don't owe anyone the right to be horrible to me from politeness or whatever. If someone is being unpleasant, just leave. Don't expose yourself to their bile. It is a gift to yourself.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:15

GerbilsForever24 · 24/01/2023 12:11

I don't really understand why you're being attacked on this thread. It sounds like actually, it wasn't a very h healthy relationship and he was coercive and controlling (thank god you didn't live together or have children) for pretty much all of it. What's happening now is just a continuation of that. He knows how to get under your skin and he's doing it.

Out of interest, has anything changed in your life recently? Have you started dating? started a new job? Moved house? bought a new car? Come into some money? Taken up a new hobby? Becuase if, since you broke up, he's still basically had you under his control and now your'e starting to break away then yes, the behaviour will be ramping up again in an attempt to control you again. You've done the right thing.

No, none of those things. Come into money? I wish! I've not changed my job, but have taken on more responsibility at work, and certainly not started dating and have zero plans to do any of that. I've been enjoying time on my own to see friends and do my own projects.

OP posts:
Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:26

sonjadog · 24/01/2023 12:13

When I was younger, I thought I had to be polite and listen to any nonsense a man was telling me, and I have sat through rants like it sounds like this one was. Although you say you aren't taking it in and know it is nonsense, listening to those words is unpleasant and demeaning, and why should you expose yourself to something unpleasant like that. One of the best lessons I have learnt in life is that I don't owe anyone the right to be horrible to me from politeness or whatever. If someone is being unpleasant, just leave. Don't expose yourself to their bile. It is a gift to yourself.

I don't owe anyone the right to be horrible to me from politeness or whatever. If someone is being unpleasant, just leave. Don't expose yourself to their bile. It is a gift to yourself

Love this….

Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:33

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:15

No, none of those things. Come into money? I wish! I've not changed my job, but have taken on more responsibility at work, and certainly not started dating and have zero plans to do any of that. I've been enjoying time on my own to see friends and do my own projects.

But what’s happened to him?

Has his career stalled, the drinking taking its toll? Friends and family withdrawing? New relationships not working out? Money / housing problems?

Might be that he was looking to you to bail him out (by reuniting) and as you didn’t he just kicked off.

Don’t dwell on the exact words and content of his rant - as this will drag you down a rabbit hole of self doubt - and “recollections may vary” - memories twisted and amplified to serve his agenda.

Ignore the detail - don’t get drawn in - but know the sentiment was to punish, hurt, wound you. Any words would do - so they are irrelevant.

He wasn’t looking to reflect or rebuild or reconcile or compromise or to build a bridge etc - he was lashing out to punish you because his life has gone to shit in other areas and he can’t take any accountability for it.

You are well rid.

Minimalme · 24/01/2023 12:34

He is trying to keep you enmeshed in a relationship.

Everything he says is to keep your relationship with him in the fore front in the hope that he will wear you down and make you doubt yourself to the extent that you feel you should get back together.

Abusers don't change and talk a load of shit which has no basis in reality.

Keep him blocked and allow yourself the relief of letting him fade out of your life and thoughts.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/01/2023 12:41

Tigresses · 24/01/2023 12:33

But what’s happened to him?

Has his career stalled, the drinking taking its toll? Friends and family withdrawing? New relationships not working out? Money / housing problems?

Might be that he was looking to you to bail him out (by reuniting) and as you didn’t he just kicked off.

Don’t dwell on the exact words and content of his rant - as this will drag you down a rabbit hole of self doubt - and “recollections may vary” - memories twisted and amplified to serve his agenda.

Ignore the detail - don’t get drawn in - but know the sentiment was to punish, hurt, wound you. Any words would do - so they are irrelevant.

He wasn’t looking to reflect or rebuild or reconcile or compromise or to build a bridge etc - he was lashing out to punish you because his life has gone to shit in other areas and he can’t take any accountability for it.

You are well rid.

Nothing's happened really, as far as I know. He chose to take a far less demanding role after taking VR. He's grumbled about less money, and make digs at my career "you and your fancy job", that I earn more than he ever did (there is no comparison in our roles and he left a good few years ago).

He's not an alcoholic (AFAIK anyway) but when I was with him, over the past few years, he did mix drinks and slur words, and denied that it had affected him. He only goes out one day a week - Saturday - with 'mates'. Also he's not, at least not that I am aware of, had a relationship either. Could have, but I don't know. He's never said and I have never asked.

OP posts:
Deathbyfluffy · 24/01/2023 12:42

Time to re-allocate that headspace to something else - he belongs firmly in the past.

OwwwMuuuum · 24/01/2023 12:43

Oh my goodness. I haven’t “goaded” or “attacked” the OP in any way! I have suggested a slightly different perspective than the OP’s own, which might have given her some insight into her situation. The fact is, that she is not open to any perspective but her own. Fine, but that doesn’t make my disagreeing position a goading or attacking one.

Honestly I find it mad how much Mumsnet has changed lately, it used to be a conversation forum, now any view expressed that’s different from the OP is labelled goading and attacking?

I wish you well OP.