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Dh has acquired my credit card debt secretly while on a five year DMP

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ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 07:27

Going to start off by saying in dyslexic. So I can't spell.

Dh has two months left on a five year dmp for £48,000 of debt he kept secret from mand I had to dig and dig to find out about.

He earns 29k a year.

I was noticing that he he smoking cigarettes again not roll ups and occasionally had money to buy things when earlier in the month saying he was skint. I asked him just before Christmas to show me his finances but he kept putting me off and swearing he had no new debt. I have asked and asked so today he told me he had spent 6k on new tools. Didn't tell as he knew I'd go mental. He is a tradesman but employee so no need to buy tools.i was shouting at him so my 15 year old heard, I have been hiding his dad debt from all the kids, but in a moment of red fog I told ds what dh has done.

I made dh show me in front of ds and he has in fact been spending on adverage £40-£50 per day (50% of his net income ) on the lottery and iTunes and fans.

He never told me what the previous 48k went on. He was lying right up to each statement was pulled up on the PC. He has got a new phone and not once mentioned any spending with me.

He has been extremely angry with our eldest recently and totally disengaged with me and increasingly family life.

For the first time ever he didn't get us cards, didn't get involved with food or present buying. If I need his help he will also increasingly get defensive so I try to avoid doing so. I do all the life and kids admin. He says he didn't help at Christmas as overwhelmed in his job.

Now I know partly why he is so angry and distant but not sure if there's more to come out. He seems to be a pathological lier.

He has offered up no solution. He said he will sort it. I said I need to be involved in how he sorts it out. He said he will seek help but never has before. He is very selfish. Very arrogant. Thinks he is a victim and I know he wants to shift the blame to me.

Another dmp won't work. Personally I'd like a divorce and to split 100% from him financially for a start. The only other option I would consider is him giving me 100% control of all his money and close all of his accounts. My ds is begging me not to leave him.

There's been no apology of course. There wasn't with the dmp. I had to drag one out of him which took a month. He said eventually he felt sick at his actions but that all clearly bullshit. So remorseful he has got a new card and maxed it out as soon as he could get the credit.

He seems so angry with me. We have had the house as cold as 6 degrees to save on heating costs.

My gut says wait for his "solution' to see how pathetic it is. Will probably suggest he keeps all his accounts invisible to me. I can't do that. At which point ì start divorce.

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FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 08/01/2023 11:19

He has already crossed that final line though hasn't he? You have sat it out through 5 years of DMP to save your house. And he has gone straight back.
Leave him. If it means selling the house, it must be better than living like this.

lonelyblonde · 08/01/2023 11:23

You need to split finances legally and quickly so that you do not become liable for his new debt and any more debt that he racks up

The Op cannot magically become liable for her DH's debt. I was a debt collection Manager for decades. There is no such thing as marital debt.

BeachBlondey · 08/01/2023 11:27

I made dh show me in front of ds and he has in fact been spending on adverage £40-£50 per day (50% of his net income ) on the lottery and iTunes and fans

He earns £65 a day. If he's spending £50 of that on himself, I presume he doesn't contribute to any of the bills? So you are paying for everything?

Also, what is "fans"? I hope you don't mean Only Fans.

notapizzaeater · 08/01/2023 11:27

Have you put alerts on the credit reference companies if any new activity happens.

He is in breach of his DMP and is on really dodgy ground.

ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:29

lonelyblonde · 08/01/2023 11:23

You need to split finances legally and quickly so that you do not become liable for his new debt and any more debt that he racks up

The Op cannot magically become liable for her DH's debt. I was a debt collection Manager for decades. There is no such thing as marital debt.

Is that true? That's one of the reasons I stayed before was that 48k would loose the house if split half with me? The only joint asset is property. There's no cash. We have living on the breadline waiting to pay off the dmp. I have saved a tiny amount to fix the drive but I will work on making that disappear this week. I need that cash for a solicitor

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ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:37

BeachBlondey · 08/01/2023 11:27

I made dh show me in front of ds and he has in fact been spending on adverage £40-£50 per day (50% of his net income ) on the lottery and iTunes and fans

He earns £65 a day. If he's spending £50 of that on himself, I presume he doesn't contribute to any of the bills? So you are paying for everything?

Also, what is "fans"? I hope you don't mean Only Fans.

Sorry fans was fans. Hecearns 29k a year so that's about £90 gross a day. I get his wages paid into my account. I pay him back 900 a month's yo pay the dmp. I have done this for five years. Obviously not enough to stop him! We pay bills and mortgage and food from what's left and my child tax credits. We have just applied to family fund to replace the 19 year olds bed! Charity, benefits to support the kids while he spends 50% of his income on gambling. I feel ashamed. I told the socail worker this too. I half hope they step in 😨 he hasn't spoken to me today. No begging apologies or solutions. Just stonewalled

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ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:37

Doh! Fans = fags

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LIZS · 08/01/2023 11:40

Your title says "my" credit card. Has he fraudulently taken it put in your name or got a second card on your account? Has it now been destroyed or is he continuing to spend. Trust went years ago , you need to separate and minimise the financial damage to you and dc.

BeachBlondey · 08/01/2023 11:41

Op, I worked in Debt Recovery for 20 years. The only people that can be pursued for debt are either :

The debtor
A guarantor
A 3rd party surety

Obviously property can be seized if the debt is secured. Unsecured debt can still lead to property being seized (like a car) - if the debt is large enough, the lender may get a CCJ and then decide to take assets, like a car.

If these debts are in his name only, then you are not liable at all. There is no liability on you, just because you're married.

SquishyGloopyBum · 08/01/2023 11:43

Op, I mean this kindly but you can't hide behind a social worker.

Only you can decide what to do. You need to face this. Before he drags you all down.

He's disgusting. You are living with minimal heating and applying for charity funding for your kids while he spunks money away.

ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:44

LIZS · 08/01/2023 11:40

Your title says "my" credit card. Has he fraudulently taken it put in your name or got a second card on your account? Has it now been destroyed or is he continuing to spend. Trust went years ago , you need to separate and minimise the financial damage to you and dc.

Dyslexic it should say MORE credit card debt. I asked him to pay for experion. He magically doesn't have it

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mumofone2019 · 08/01/2023 11:44

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Schnooze · 08/01/2023 11:48

Make sure that he can’t get access to credit in your name or on the mortgage. Now it’s all out in the open he might get desperate.

ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:49

I saw his experion yesterday but yes he needs to give me the login details to direct that. I couldn't see what bank accounts he has? Us that on there?

Yes experion for Me next today

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CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 08/01/2023 11:51

It is SO much easier to drag someone down than haul someone up, and he shows no interest whatsoever in changing, so all that will happen if you don't part company is he'll have you all in the gutter.
His spending is not in line with his income and he is not interested in the consequences of this, or how you feel about it.
Get out quick before your life is in total ruins. So sorry this has happened to you and your son. 😞
Protect yourself and reassure your son that you won't let him drag you under. It's scary when a parent is out of control.
Which isn't to say life as a single parent is easy and it is crap he has put you in the position of having to choose the least bad option. 😢

Milkand2sugarsplease · 08/01/2023 11:53

You can get a free month with equifax too - that's worth signing up for.

If he's a gambling addict, he'll always be a gambling addict and he needs to want to control that compulsion in order to stand a chance of succeeding. It doesn't really sound like he wants to so you haven't a hope in hells chance of helping him. You can't "cure" addiction, you can only learn to manage it.
I have a friend who's a gambling addict who hasn't gambled for over a decade now. She finds it easier as time has gone on than in the very early days but even now knows that she's only ever a day away from potentially relapsing.

ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:53

Does anyone know if Amazon is linked to a debit card long number or onto an account? That is only way he has access to my account. Buying things on amazon

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LIZS · 08/01/2023 11:57

You can have payment details saved on your Amazon account or enter one each time.

Sandunesandseashells · 08/01/2023 11:57

Change your password on Amazon and log out of all devices. He can make his own account if he needs one and add his own card on it.

Sandunesandseashells · 08/01/2023 12:01

ThomasWaghornsConeHat · 08/01/2023 11:53

Does anyone know if Amazon is linked to a debit card long number or onto an account? That is only way he has access to my account. Buying things on amazon

Sorry, I didn’t answer your question. It’s linked to the card number, so if a card is reported missing or stolen and you request a new card, the original one will no longer work on Amazon. Also, going past the card expiry date without updating it will render it useless on Amazon.

toocold54 · 08/01/2023 12:11

Personally I'd like a divorce and to split 100% from him financially for a start.

I agree and think this is in yours and your DCs best interests.

You cannot take control of his money 100% as not only are you not his mum, but he is just going to get sneakier and rack up more debt behind your back.

I don’t think this conversation should have been had in front of DS and I think that was very unfair but what’s done is done.

Now you need to think of the long term impact on DS if you stay, as this won’t get any better.
DS needs a roof over his head, clothes on his back and food to eat.
It would be nice that when his parents die he has some inheritance and not a load of debt to pay off.

This is not just about the money and what he’s wasted it on.
It’s about him lying to you all and an addiction that he sees as more important than his own family.

determinedtomakethiswork · 08/01/2023 12:18

Do you mean he's spending money on only funds?

Regardless of that, I would divorce him so fast he'd have whiplash.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 08/01/2023 12:30

Yes a credit or debit card can be linked to an Amazon account.
I have my debit card linked to mine, DH has his debit card and a credit card linked to his Amazon account. I pay for Amazon Prime but we share it, he uses my Amazon account and anything he orders through Prime he pays for via his own debit or credit card.
Check your Amazon account to see if he’s linked a cc or dc to it.
If there is one and you don’t recognise it as yours you can remove it.
I’d change the password on Amazon and soon.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 08/01/2023 12:31

determinedtomakethiswork · 08/01/2023 12:18

Do you mean he's spending money on only funds?

Regardless of that, I would divorce him so fast he'd have whiplash.

It was a typo, she meant fags. Cigarettes.

Bigbadfish · 08/01/2023 12:36

You may be able to do an irresponsible lending claim on the new debts

But no solutions. Just divorce