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Mens sex drive

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QueefQueen80s · 04/01/2023 13:44

All we hear is abour how men are sex mad, many of us have experienced this and so it feels very personal if we ever get rejected, but the truth is many men have little/no sex drive.. why is this so little known? Since coming on mumsnet I see so many threads about women who are frustrated as their husbands or partners don't want sex and they are left feeling very confused as "all men want sex all the time" but it's not true for many men is it? They can be similar to how many women are, go off it, hormone levels. Many women on here have the higher sex drive.

OP posts:
Ladolcevita233 · 28/12/2023 08:30

HelmholtzWatson · 28/12/2023 07:50

Quite possibly. However, the effect is much stronger for men, hence why they are more likely to cheat.

It's not because the effect is much stronger in men ...... Studies have shown that on average the longer than woman in an exclusive relationship with a man, the less she wants sex with him.

Women don't cheat as much as men (though reporting may not be accurate) for lots of reasons - including

  • lack of opportunity due to being more likely to not work outside the home, only work overtime, not work away as much, be much more saddled with family and childcare and household responsibilities, carve out less personal time for hobbies and in general,

also they are less risk taking than men - risk taking is often aligned with testosterone,

less selfish due to nature (care for kids) and socialisation, less entitled - again, values/socialisation still produce very entitled males in our society,

there are thought to be more male sociopaths and psychopaths than females (psychopaths font have to be axe murderers, they can be "ordinary" - it's said they are over represented in the higher levels of business organisations,

women usually have more to lose of their marriage or partnership breaks up. They are often more dependent financially. They'll often (always pretty much) be the main carers to kids, so they'll be the ones stuck between earning and childcare,

we have more of a culture of men being judged less badly forgiven for inappropriate sexual behaviour and cheating in ltrs than women (as evidence by your post).that was always more about power structures ... And controlling myths about women, so men know they'll be more likely to not suffer consequences

etc etc etc.

Loads of reasons not to do with the desire to have sex outside the relationship; but that do impact who feels entitled to go ahead and do it, who is selfish enough to go ahead, who is more of a risk taker, who knows the consequences if caught will be worse for them, who thinks most about any kids in the relationship etc etc.

There is an element of men's sexuality/sex drive being more steady, non hormone dependent and dominant in average (there are obviously exceptions) but there are lots more factors involved.

Disturbia81 · 28/12/2023 09:31

@Ladolcevita233 Exactly.

Loubelle70 · 28/12/2023 09:38

I always initiated intimacy ,sex with exes. One before last came into relationship pretending to be sexually functional...we slept together for months.. before he told me he used viagra everytime without saying as h had E.D...i was gutted he didn't mention it beforehand, i had a right to make an informed decision...he waited until I was emotionally invested, that was manipulative. The other ex, i always initiated, affectionate, sex dwindled, not through my lack of trying, found out he was addicted to porn.
So as much as other posts say some MNers will say its porn etc, doesnt make it untrue in some instances

harerunner · 28/12/2023 10:28

Loubelle70 · 28/12/2023 09:38

I always initiated intimacy ,sex with exes. One before last came into relationship pretending to be sexually functional...we slept together for months.. before he told me he used viagra everytime without saying as h had E.D...i was gutted he didn't mention it beforehand, i had a right to make an informed decision...he waited until I was emotionally invested, that was manipulative. The other ex, i always initiated, affectionate, sex dwindled, not through my lack of trying, found out he was addicted to porn.
So as much as other posts say some MNers will say its porn etc, doesnt make it untrue in some instances

I get the issue with your second man, but I don't get the issue with your first one. If you had sex for months without an issue then what's the problem? So what if he took viagra.

It's a bit like a man complaining, after perfectly good sex with his partner, when he found out she has been taking HRT, as it was important to him that she could "perform" by becoming "wet" for him without the need for medical assistance! Any man saying that would rightly be torn apart on here! Sometimes it's no surprise men get performance anxiety when reading some posters!

Fs365 · 28/12/2023 10:38

Ladolcevita233 · 28/12/2023 08:30

It's not because the effect is much stronger in men ...... Studies have shown that on average the longer than woman in an exclusive relationship with a man, the less she wants sex with him.

Women don't cheat as much as men (though reporting may not be accurate) for lots of reasons - including

  • lack of opportunity due to being more likely to not work outside the home, only work overtime, not work away as much, be much more saddled with family and childcare and household responsibilities, carve out less personal time for hobbies and in general,

also they are less risk taking than men - risk taking is often aligned with testosterone,

less selfish due to nature (care for kids) and socialisation, less entitled - again, values/socialisation still produce very entitled males in our society,

there are thought to be more male sociopaths and psychopaths than females (psychopaths font have to be axe murderers, they can be "ordinary" - it's said they are over represented in the higher levels of business organisations,

women usually have more to lose of their marriage or partnership breaks up. They are often more dependent financially. They'll often (always pretty much) be the main carers to kids, so they'll be the ones stuck between earning and childcare,

we have more of a culture of men being judged less badly forgiven for inappropriate sexual behaviour and cheating in ltrs than women (as evidence by your post).that was always more about power structures ... And controlling myths about women, so men know they'll be more likely to not suffer consequences

etc etc etc.

Loads of reasons not to do with the desire to have sex outside the relationship; but that do impact who feels entitled to go ahead and do it, who is selfish enough to go ahead, who is more of a risk taker, who knows the consequences if caught will be worse for them, who thinks most about any kids in the relationship etc etc.

There is an element of men's sexuality/sex drive being more steady, non hormone dependent and dominant in average (there are obviously exceptions) but there are lots more factors involved.

Edited

Not quite sure how much I believe all of this, I know a couple of slightly older women (50+ ) who regularly cheat on the husbands ( husband not interested in sex ), but both stay married as they like the lifestyle / home it provides,

HelmholtzWatson · 28/12/2023 10:42

Ladolcevita233 · 28/12/2023 08:30

It's not because the effect is much stronger in men ...... Studies have shown that on average the longer than woman in an exclusive relationship with a man, the less she wants sex with him.

Women don't cheat as much as men (though reporting may not be accurate) for lots of reasons - including

  • lack of opportunity due to being more likely to not work outside the home, only work overtime, not work away as much, be much more saddled with family and childcare and household responsibilities, carve out less personal time for hobbies and in general,

also they are less risk taking than men - risk taking is often aligned with testosterone,

less selfish due to nature (care for kids) and socialisation, less entitled - again, values/socialisation still produce very entitled males in our society,

there are thought to be more male sociopaths and psychopaths than females (psychopaths font have to be axe murderers, they can be "ordinary" - it's said they are over represented in the higher levels of business organisations,

women usually have more to lose of their marriage or partnership breaks up. They are often more dependent financially. They'll often (always pretty much) be the main carers to kids, so they'll be the ones stuck between earning and childcare,

we have more of a culture of men being judged less badly forgiven for inappropriate sexual behaviour and cheating in ltrs than women (as evidence by your post).that was always more about power structures ... And controlling myths about women, so men know they'll be more likely to not suffer consequences

etc etc etc.

Loads of reasons not to do with the desire to have sex outside the relationship; but that do impact who feels entitled to go ahead and do it, who is selfish enough to go ahead, who is more of a risk taker, who knows the consequences if caught will be worse for them, who thinks most about any kids in the relationship etc etc.

There is an element of men's sexuality/sex drive being more steady, non hormone dependent and dominant in average (there are obviously exceptions) but there are lots more factors involved.

Edited

To be clear, the male (or more accurately, the sex that invests less in their offspring) desire for sexual variety is true across cultures, time and species. Therefore, the list of reasons why this is the case in humans is largely redundant as it's driven by genes and evolution.

WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds · 28/12/2023 10:48

I appreciate this is an old thread that has been revived, but interested in a man's opinion. Is it possible to have a low sex drive but still masturbate? For context, I'm 33, DP 44. Dp has very little interest in sex (except oral) but will still happily masturbate to porn about 3-4 times a week. Sex life was never fantastic but has gotten worse in recent years. I look after myself and get a fair bit of male attention but this crushes me completely and leaves me feeling worthless. Don't think the porn usage is an addiction per se, rather it's habitual (but nevertheless very unhealthy). For full disclosure, I suspect DP is quite depressed and quite possibly has undiagnosed ptsd (ex army). He genuinely feels that he has no sex drive but I struggle to get my head around this when he still sees to himself very regularly.

Fs365 · 28/12/2023 10:49

Loubelle70 · 28/12/2023 09:38

I always initiated intimacy ,sex with exes. One before last came into relationship pretending to be sexually functional...we slept together for months.. before he told me he used viagra everytime without saying as h had E.D...i was gutted he didn't mention it beforehand, i had a right to make an informed decision...he waited until I was emotionally invested, that was manipulative. The other ex, i always initiated, affectionate, sex dwindled, not through my lack of trying, found out he was addicted to porn.
So as much as other posts say some MNers will say its porn etc, doesnt make it untrue in some instances

This is daft, how does him taking viagra affect you ? ,especially if going on for months, he is still performing in bed.

i wear glasses to drive, should I tell everyone who gets in my car, of course not, I just put my specs on and get going

Fs365 · 28/12/2023 11:01

WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds · 28/12/2023 10:48

I appreciate this is an old thread that has been revived, but interested in a man's opinion. Is it possible to have a low sex drive but still masturbate? For context, I'm 33, DP 44. Dp has very little interest in sex (except oral) but will still happily masturbate to porn about 3-4 times a week. Sex life was never fantastic but has gotten worse in recent years. I look after myself and get a fair bit of male attention but this crushes me completely and leaves me feeling worthless. Don't think the porn usage is an addiction per se, rather it's habitual (but nevertheless very unhealthy). For full disclosure, I suspect DP is quite depressed and quite possibly has undiagnosed ptsd (ex army). He genuinely feels that he has no sex drive but I struggle to get my head around this when he still sees to himself very regularly.

@WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds
start a new thread with your question and you will get responses

BTW - contrary to popular beliefs, men can have complex issues when comes to sex and desire

Disturbia81 · 28/12/2023 19:54

WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds · 28/12/2023 10:48

I appreciate this is an old thread that has been revived, but interested in a man's opinion. Is it possible to have a low sex drive but still masturbate? For context, I'm 33, DP 44. Dp has very little interest in sex (except oral) but will still happily masturbate to porn about 3-4 times a week. Sex life was never fantastic but has gotten worse in recent years. I look after myself and get a fair bit of male attention but this crushes me completely and leaves me feeling worthless. Don't think the porn usage is an addiction per se, rather it's habitual (but nevertheless very unhealthy). For full disclosure, I suspect DP is quite depressed and quite possibly has undiagnosed ptsd (ex army). He genuinely feels that he has no sex drive but I struggle to get my head around this when he still sees to himself very regularly.

Does he have ED? Maybe he feels inferior and insecure

WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds · 28/12/2023 20:11

@Disturbia81 no ED although he does have an issue with climaxing the day after a drinking session. The past few times I've give him oral, he didn't finish. All those times were after drinking the night before which I think puts him off trying with me again. But even when he's not drinking, he very rarely initiates or enjoys sex. I suspect he was like this with his ex partners also.

harerunner · 29/12/2023 07:02

WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds · 28/12/2023 10:48

I appreciate this is an old thread that has been revived, but interested in a man's opinion. Is it possible to have a low sex drive but still masturbate? For context, I'm 33, DP 44. Dp has very little interest in sex (except oral) but will still happily masturbate to porn about 3-4 times a week. Sex life was never fantastic but has gotten worse in recent years. I look after myself and get a fair bit of male attention but this crushes me completely and leaves me feeling worthless. Don't think the porn usage is an addiction per se, rather it's habitual (but nevertheless very unhealthy). For full disclosure, I suspect DP is quite depressed and quite possibly has undiagnosed ptsd (ex army). He genuinely feels that he has no sex drive but I struggle to get my head around this when he still sees to himself very regularly.

Although masturbation and sex obviously involve stimulation of genitals, they are very different in many ways. If he's in to porn, he can have a high libido but still not be interested in sex.

Masturbating to porn allows the person to take completely control of their lusts without any regard for anyone else. I can totally see how men (and it is usually men) can get used to the easy gratification, laziness and indulgences afforded by porn, and then really struggle when it comes to actual sex.... there is only one woman (few woman are in to group sex!), that solitary woman requires foreplay and emotional connection, doesn't have the perfect body, won't be instantly pliable into whatever pose or position he wants like some kind of Barbie doll... and also (and this is a point that's often missed I think) where he actually has to work his body which, however fit he is (any many porn addicts aren't fit at all!), won't be as fast or as comfortable as a furious hand...

So in don't think your man necessarily has a low libido, he's allowed porn to warp his sexual desires to the extent he achieves his gratification through porn not actual sex.

If you are to have a future, he needs to quit the porn, limit the wanking if he's doing that every day, improve his fitness and health, and focus on developing intimacy with you. Only then is it possible for sex to be his primary means of sexual gratification, and for your sex life to get back on track. If he won't commit to this, you need to end your relationship unless you content with a lifetime of sexual frustration and disappointment.

Gettingbysomehow · 29/12/2023 07:15

I wish I could find one with zero sex drive. I'm sick to death of men and their needs and wants.

WakeMeUpWhenDecemberEnds · 29/12/2023 07:47

Thank you for the reply @harerunner, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I think a porn is a symptom of a bigger issue (depression, problematic drinking etc) and that should perhaps be the issues to focus on. Unfortunately DP doesn't think there's an problem so I really can't see the relationship working out which is unfortunate as we have a young DD together. I recall recently we had a conversation were I mentioned something about needing to make time for intimacy as it wouldn't happen otherwise. His reply? "Well it just won't happen then". He doesn't understand that sex/intimacy is a fundamental part of a relationship and without it we're essentially just two people who live together. His needs are getting met whether I'm in the picture or not, so why would he subject himself to sex he doesn't need or want. It's incredibly selfish and hurtful but anytime I bring it up he gets defensive and makes me out to be a raging nymphomaniac

Loubelle70 · 29/12/2023 10:34

Fs365 · 28/12/2023 10:49

This is daft, how does him taking viagra affect you ? ,especially if going on for months, he is still performing in bed.

i wear glasses to drive, should I tell everyone who gets in my car, of course not, I just put my specs on and get going

Because he wasnt honest from the get go!! Btw it never always worked! Bad sex life and a liar...no thanks

StarlightLady · 29/12/2023 17:24

As a bi 40 something female, speaking from experience, l still consider that the majority of women have a higher sex drive than women. But they do want quality sex.

harerunner · 29/12/2023 17:57

StarlightLady · 29/12/2023 17:24

As a bi 40 something female, speaking from experience, l still consider that the majority of women have a higher sex drive than women. But they do want quality sex.

Think there's a typo here... otherwise your post doesn't make sense!

StarlightLady · 29/12/2023 18:27

harerunner · 29/12/2023 17:57

Think there's a typo here... otherwise your post doesn't make sense!

Whoops! Typo maxi plus. Thanks for pointing that out. And l haven’t even had a drink!

lt should have read

l still consider that the majority of women have a higher sex drive than men”.

Fs365 · 29/12/2023 20:41

StarlightLady · 29/12/2023 18:27

Whoops! Typo maxi plus. Thanks for pointing that out. And l haven’t even had a drink!

lt should have read

l still consider that the majority of women have a higher sex drive than men”.

l still consider that the majority of women have a higher sex drive than men”.

i think this is something that is true and not true at the same time, look at the number of threads and posters on here from women saying they don’t like sex or sex with their partners is boring or predictable, I bet their sex drives are pretty low.

i think you probably need to qualify your statement by saying that women have higher sex drives when they are having the type of sex they like, whether that’s same sex or kink or whatever, also not sure what being bi has to do with anything, I’m sure plenty of heterosexual women would find the thought of being with a another woman a massive turnoff

StarlightLady · 29/12/2023 21:33

Fs365 · 29/12/2023 20:41

l still consider that the majority of women have a higher sex drive than men”.

i think this is something that is true and not true at the same time, look at the number of threads and posters on here from women saying they don’t like sex or sex with their partners is boring or predictable, I bet their sex drives are pretty low.

i think you probably need to qualify your statement by saying that women have higher sex drives when they are having the type of sex they like, whether that’s same sex or kink or whatever, also not sure what being bi has to do with anything, I’m sure plenty of heterosexual women would find the thought of being with a another woman a massive turnoff

I’m sure there are plenty of heterosexual women who would find the thought of being with another woman a turn off.

But to others, be they lesbian or bi, they are closer to another women’s sexuality, than, say many straight woman.

Either way, hardly any women want a kittle quick thrusting and having a partner roll over and go to sleep. As I said in an earlier post, a lot is about understanding how a woman “works”.

acpk55 · 30/12/2023 12:54

StarlightLady · 29/12/2023 21:33

I’m sure there are plenty of heterosexual women who would find the thought of being with another woman a turn off.

But to others, be they lesbian or bi, they are closer to another women’s sexuality, than, say many straight woman.

Either way, hardly any women want a kittle quick thrusting and having a partner roll over and go to sleep. As I said in an earlier post, a lot is about understanding how a woman “works”.

i think you are flogging a dead horse here, the number of women who identify as bi or lesbian is < 2% of the population in the UK, so that argument is pretty pointless in reality.

Either way, hardly any women want a kittle quick thrusting and having a partner roll over and go to sleep. As I said in an earlier post, a lot is about understanding how a woman “works”.

certainly agree with this, but as previously poster mentioned, this might depend on what kinda sex the woman is into,

”understanding how a woman works” < 😬 cringe

Supersares · 30/12/2023 17:41

I’m with a man with low libido. When my sex drive was higher (I’m 49 now) it caused issues and I often felt like splitting up with him over it. We are very close though so it never got to that. Now I’m menopausal and not that bothered it’s not so much of an issue. I do miss those heady days at the start of the relationship when we did it a lot but we’re both physically different now so the mechanics have changed ( we joke our tummies get in the way!) It is complex issue and can see when couples use counsellors when they have mis matched sex drives. Just commenting to follow others comments and hope to find coping mechanisms as sometimes I do crave him to initiate sex as it’s always me….

Supersares · 30/12/2023 17:46

Cheating is dodgy but if the husbands are happy to turn a blind eye or the wife is VERY discreet then some would say it’s ok. What happens if one of the couple shagging get emotionally involved? If you can stay emotional detached then it’s ok. A lot of women enjoy sex for the connection and feeling of closeness with their partner so I’m not sure how many would just shag around for sex’s sake alone.

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