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Lab created diamond

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pocketvenuss · 02/01/2023 13:00

What do people think of lab created diamonds. They are the same molecular structure and are actual diamonds. Only specialist jewellers with specific devices that can allow the differences in the inclusions that indicate lab growth rather than natural.
Would you be happy with a lab grown diamond engagement ring?
On the plus side they are miles cheaper and conflict free. On the negative side, they are somehow not the same as a 'naturally created' diamond even though they are real diamonds.
But then again real diamond prices are artificially boosted by DeBeers.

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Bagsundermyeyestoday · 03/01/2023 22:49

VanillaSnap · 03/01/2023 16:17

Is a baby born through IVF less of a human than one conceived naturally?

The diamond mining industry is counting on suckers not wanting to feel cheap. Lab grown and mined are exactly the same, and only a fool would pay more for the same thing.

Omg Grin what a comparison. Hilarious. I wouldn't want to eat meat made in a petri dish, or a lab grown diamond. Don't think either is comparable to an ivf baby!!

BakersYeast · 04/01/2023 01:04

It's everyone's choice , isn't it? Diamonds are my favourite stone and yes natural ones. There will always be people who want a luxury stone as opposed to mass produced.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/01/2023 02:11

I wouldn't want to eat meat made in a petri dish, or a lab grown diamond.

If you could make me something that was completely identical to wagu beef, even to a chef, for a fiver, I'd eat it.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/01/2023 02:11

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/01/2023 02:11

I wouldn't want to eat meat made in a petri dish, or a lab grown diamond.

If you could make me something that was completely identical to wagu beef, even to a chef, for a fiver, I'd eat it.

And no suffering and death. Sign me up.

LetsDoThis2023 · 04/01/2023 03:06

I mean I LOVE love my Labrador with all my heart and think she's a VERY clever dog, but this is truly remarkable! 🐾

QuizzlyBears · 04/01/2023 04:44

My engagement ring and wedding band are lab grown - the company they’re from is called Clean Origins. Says it in the name, really - we are both happy knowing the origins of the stones.

neighboursmustliveon · 04/01/2023 08:20

I don't like diamonds, I think they are a waste of money anyway. My engagement ring is glass and Joe Bloggs in the street doesn't know. I've had many compliments over the years about it. It was less than £200 (in fact I think less than £100), 20 years ago.

SebastiansLeg · 04/01/2023 08:53

"Moissanite has an even lower resale value though. And they don't look like diamonds irl up close"

What Moissanite gem stones did you look at close up? They test as a diamond and you would be very hard pushed to tell it isn't a diamond, unless you walk around with a x10 magnifier in your pocket. My original engagement ring from over 25 years ago is a diamond, but now I wear a Moissanite. The video below shows them side by side with a diamond in the exact same setting. My Moisannite was not from the UK though so I cannot recommend anywhere here to look at.

The original Moissanite I believe were the four layer construction and they are now 6 layers. I don't consider it to be "fake" it is a gem stone, created in a lab. I did want a Morganite ring but on the hardness scale I knew I would probably damage it. Lab grown diamonds or gem stones are ethically better than the mined ones.

CPL593H · 04/01/2023 09:01

Surely it's about the look and the meaning rather than whether something is posh coal or not? The ethics of diamond mining have pretty much never been great (with exceptions) If I were in the market now I would much prefer wearing something I knew hadn't contributed to human suffering and global destruction as a symbol of love.

pocketvenuss · 04/01/2023 17:30

SebastiansLeg · 04/01/2023 08:53

"Moissanite has an even lower resale value though. And they don't look like diamonds irl up close"

What Moissanite gem stones did you look at close up? They test as a diamond and you would be very hard pushed to tell it isn't a diamond, unless you walk around with a x10 magnifier in your pocket. My original engagement ring from over 25 years ago is a diamond, but now I wear a Moissanite. The video below shows them side by side with a diamond in the exact same setting. My Moisannite was not from the UK though so I cannot recommend anywhere here to look at.

The original Moissanite I believe were the four layer construction and they are now 6 layers. I don't consider it to be "fake" it is a gem stone, created in a lab. I did want a Morganite ring but on the hardness scale I knew I would probably damage it. Lab grown diamonds or gem stones are ethically better than the mined ones.

You probably won't believe me but I could tell the difference for the first 3. I stopped watching at that point. To me it's obvious. Moissanites have a totally different fire. The sparkle is synthetic looking which was clear to me even from the little screen on my phone. It sparkles with flashes of colours that no diamond displays and with much less complexity. I'm sure you are right and Joe Average wouldn't know but to those of us who love and own diamonds, it is very obvious. Any jeweller would be able to tell instantly

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ILoveMyBedTooMuch · 04/01/2023 17:33

For me it is knowing that it is a natural diamond and can be passed on to children.

wheredyaparklouissss · 04/01/2023 17:35

What's the intrinsic value of a real diamond?

Letitrainletitrainletitrain · 04/01/2023 17:36

if I had to buy a new natural diamond (and no one has to) I would buy one mined in Canada because they have labour laws, wage laws and environmental impact assessments

pocketvenuss · 04/01/2023 18:21

ILoveMyBedTooMuch · 04/01/2023 17:33

For me it is knowing that it is a natural diamond and can be passed on to children.

Why can't a lab grown be passed on? It's a real diamond. It's just been created in a lab instead of the ground. Still cut and polished by the same artisans

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pocketvenuss · 04/01/2023 18:28

BakersYeast · 04/01/2023 01:04

It's everyone's choice , isn't it? Diamonds are my favourite stone and yes natural ones. There will always be people who want a luxury stone as opposed to mass produced.

The diamond prices are massively artificially inflated by mass stockpiling mainly by de beers. They have recently 2020 started dumping the stocks which is causing issues with market prices.

The image of rarity was created by de beers and controlled by the stockpiling which limited the number of product available.

I fear they will eventually be seen as moderately valuable rather than luxury

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BethDuttonsTwin · 04/01/2023 18:31

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. Mind you if I ever get engaged again (God forbid!). I’d be looking at an amethyst engagement ring. I’ve been engaged three times and the rings were chose for beauty rather than value.

BethDuttonsTwin · 04/01/2023 18:32

Chosen not chose.

RogueV · 04/01/2023 19:07

Not keen on the idea at all

It wouldn’t be a diamond in my eyes

Mamaneedsadrink · 04/01/2023 19:17

Lab created diamond is a marketing term in itself. It's a fake. I don't know why you'd want to buy a fake of anything 'precious' the whole point which is marketed is the exclusivity. A designer bag isn't as special if everyone has one.

VanillaSnap · 04/01/2023 19:21

To those who don't like the IVF analogy, what about an apple growing on a tree that was planted wildly by a seed blown in the wind, vs an apple growing on a tree in an orchard? The exact same apple, the origin story doesn't really matter.

Sunsetintheeast · 04/01/2023 19:22

VanillaSnap · 04/01/2023 19:21

To those who don't like the IVF analogy, what about an apple growing on a tree that was planted wildly by a seed blown in the wind, vs an apple growing on a tree in an orchard? The exact same apple, the origin story doesn't really matter.

You really need it explained? 😂

Have another try

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/01/2023 19:35

RogueV · 04/01/2023 19:07

Not keen on the idea at all

It wouldn’t be a diamond in my eyes

Except for it being a diamond.

Letitrainletitrainletitrain · 04/01/2023 19:38

Mamaneedsadrink · 04/01/2023 19:17

Lab created diamond is a marketing term in itself. It's a fake. I don't know why you'd want to buy a fake of anything 'precious' the whole point which is marketed is the exclusivity. A designer bag isn't as special if everyone has one.

But the difference betweeb a fake designer bag and a lab created diamond is that a fake designer bag is likely to be produced in sweat shops with unethical practices, where as a lab created diamond is more ethically produced than many of the mined diamonds out there.

So from an ethical standpoint buying a lab created diamond is very very different from buying a fake designer bag

Mamaneedsadrink · 04/01/2023 19:43

Letitrainletitrainletitrain · 04/01/2023 19:38

But the difference betweeb a fake designer bag and a lab created diamond is that a fake designer bag is likely to be produced in sweat shops with unethical practices, where as a lab created diamond is more ethically produced than many of the mined diamonds out there.

So from an ethical standpoint buying a lab created diamond is very very different from buying a fake designer bag

It's still fake that's my point though. Might as well just buy a CZ instead and pay significantly less

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/01/2023 20:18

It's still fake that's my point though.

But they are diamonds. Literally. Not fake; diamonds.

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