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Do I tell DW about her mother's health? (Stately homes adjacent)

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SiLlyPoint · 18/12/2022 02:40

MiL is a stunted woman who has never shown any love for DW. They were NC for a decade but, when we had DD, DW tried to patch things up, hoping that MiL would at least want a healthy relationship with her granddaughter. That sort of worked for a few years: MiL clearly loved having DD in her life, and DD - whose other grandparents are dead, dead, and domiciled on another continent, respectively - was very fond of her granny. But it turns out that, however much MiL loves my DD, she just hates my DW more. She gradually became more antagonistic towards us, and quite deliberately engineered a great big row 4 Christmases ago. MiL hasn't spoken to us since. DW would say she's just fine with that; it wasn't for her own benefit that she re-established contact with MiL and, if MiL can't even keep up a facade of civility with DW in order to see her granddaughter, then... fuck her.

I am 100% Team DW on this. She has not at any stage behaved unreasonably; in fact, it was really generous of her to open herself up to MiL's bullshit again, and it certainly isn't her fault (REDACTED BY MN as breaks TGs).

But. I still feel sorry for MiL. I know enough about her own early life to know that it's no surprise that she was woefully ill equipped for parenthood. And it's kinda heartbreaking to watch an intellectually limited old woman sabotage herself because she's too bitter and emotionally incompetent to avoid it. And, most of all, I feel sorry for DD, who misses her granny (who has scarcely been actively toxic towards her at all!)

So, for the past 3 Christmases, without DW's knowledge, I've sent MiL a package of photographs of DD from the year. I thought she'd want to see how DD is growing up. And I guess I wanted to keep a perfunctory line of communication open, just in case anyone ever wants to revisit whether an actual relationship is an option. Each time, I've included a note saying that, while my allegiances are entirely with DW, I'm prepared to be a first point of contact if MiL ever wants to reach out.

I have been totally unsurprised to hear nothing back, but that changed today when, in response to my 2022 package, I got a message from MiL's husband. When we get past the attempt to relitigate Christmas 2019 (oh FFS), he discloses that MiL is in ill health, most notably as a result of a recent stroke.

I'm sure many of you will think I've done a stupid or disloyal thing by keeping any sort of communication open. That may well be true; I was never certain it was a good idea, though I hope my intentions were unambiguously good. But - as people who have done a stupid thing like to say - we are where we are. The dilemma I have now is whether to tell DW what I know about her mother's health. I'm not sure she really wants to know, but I also think she might find it upsetting to know that I had information of that type and didn't pass it on. (This isn't about covering my ass, BTW: if the right thing to do is to tell her, I'll tell her; if the right thing to do is to keep schtum, I'll keep schtum; I'm just struggling with what the right thing to do might be...) I've also embroiled us in some ridiculous game theory shit about how 'we' now know that MiL is unwell and if 'we' don't care enough reach out, it'll only prove how justified she was to disown DW in the first place... though I'm not sure we should care whether she feels justified as long as we don't mind the consequence. Finally, although it was under quite different circumstances, I was on very strained terms with my own DM when she died, and I sort of nonspecifically regret not... y'know... trying a bit harder. Are any of these good enough reasons to disturb DW's blissful ignorance?

I'd sure be glad of any wisdom anyone is able to impart.

TL;DR: DW has been NC with MiL for 3 years. I have secretly kept a line of communication open in case anyone changes their mind. I have just heard that MiL has had a stroke. Do I tell DW?

OP posts:
Starseeking · 18/12/2022 11:55

This was your DW's relationship to manage, and her choice to go NC, and you've massively overstepped.

You need to tell her everything you've been doing behind her back, and face the consequences.

XanaduKira · 18/12/2022 12:16

Crazypaving22 · 18/12/2022 06:54

What a mess. I can see your heart was in the right place.

You need to unmess this now. Tell her what you've done and tell her what you've heard.

Be honest about your actions and own that you realise it's a breach of her trust.

Completely agree with this. In addition , make sure to acknowledge your fault and apologise. Don't minimise or downplay it. Apologise and be honest.

No matter what, you do need to tell her as if she finds out later that you knew what you know and didn't tell her, then that would be even worse.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 18/12/2022 13:09

His daughter, his call

Their daughter. Their call.

Iknowhim · 18/12/2022 13:26

@randomusername666 I did say I might be wrong about my assumption.

Fucking off with your accusation of toxic shit stirring, that's really unfair.

FrangipaniBlue · 18/12/2022 13:37

@Newrider you know nothing about me. There are some assumptions in your post that are WAY off the mark and quite frankly, a bit offensive/upsetting.

ImaniMumsnet · 18/12/2022 14:22

Hi @SiLlyPoint ,just to let you know we have redacted a part of your opening post as it breaks our TGs. This felt better than removing your entire opening post bearing in mind all the responses you have received already. We have marked this on the opening post for your reference.

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CPL593H · 18/12/2022 15:30

Sarahcoggles · 18/12/2022 10:47

@Iknowhim yeah but DW doesn't have to have a relationship with her mother. No one says she has to. But why should her issues mean that her daughter should have no relationship either?

It's like divorces. My mother hated my father. He was vile to her and she hasn't spoken to him since they divorced when I was 2. She can't look at him, can't be in the same room as him, even banned him from my brother's funeral. But she quite rightly never stopped me seeing him, and has no issue with me staying in touch with him. Quite the contrary in fact. She hopes I get some inheritance from him!

I think it's controlling to emotionally blackmail people into not having contact with others.

The granddaughter doesn't have a relationship with her grandmother at the moment, a decision the OP says he supports. He has however secretly sent packets of photos to the grandmother "because he feels sorry for her". His DD is getting nothing from this at all, he is not maintaining contact between them, it is totally one way.

randomusername666 · 18/12/2022 16:11

Iknowhim · 18/12/2022 13:26

@randomusername666 I did say I might be wrong about my assumption.

Fucking off with your accusation of toxic shit stirring, that's really unfair.

Well you just proved my point.

Newrider · 25/12/2022 19:28

FrangipaniBlue · 18/12/2022 13:37

@Newrider you know nothing about me. There are some assumptions in your post that are WAY off the mark and quite frankly, a bit offensive/upsetting.

My genuine apologies.

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