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Am I being catfished/used? Or is this just bog standard shitty dating after divorce?

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monomonopolytime · 10/12/2022 22:58

Started seeing a new guy in September. Have known him for two years through work (he doesn't work at my workplace but is the CEO of a small event business, which is a partner of the company I work at.) We are the same age (42), both divorced with similar age DC. He pursued me for a long time - calling, texting, emailing, asking to meet up, inviting me to events. When I did not show a lot of interest as I was getting over my divorce, it went quiet for a bit and then he'd start up again.

When I finally agreed to go for dinner with him this September he presented to me what I can only describe as a proposal for a second marriage. Obviously caveated with the fact that he knew we were not in a relationship, it would take a while, we should both take our time, but we had both been hurt before and he thought we shared the same values and enjoyed the same things (he name dropped a few things he knew I liked and said he had observed these about me in the years we'd been working on this event together.) He basically described my ideal life to me, and said it was his too. That he knew we couldn't guarantee the future, but would I start getting to know him so that we could - if it worked out- possibly try and start building a life together? It felt like he had observed me from afar and plucked me out of obscurity as a "chosen" special person.

Honestly, after years of emotional pain, this was everything I wanted to hear. He then caveated it again by saying that he was divorced but still living in the marital home but had bought a house that he would be moving into in February, which would make us more free to be together and spend time together.

The first month was filled with a lot of talking from both sides, almost like counselling each other over our failed marriages and talking about our children and work and negotiating around our dreams and plans. Like where we wanted to live, what we wanted to do... We spent hours on the phone and tried to see each other whenever possible - in lunchbreaks, in evenings where we'd go for dinner. I was still very hesitant and not much physical was happening apart from kissing. He would text me good morning and tell me I was the first thing he thought about when he woke, and then also good night.

I am in a role in my company of being able to give him a lot of lucrative (for him) client introductions. This was also a partial- focus of our conversation at the beginning: he would suggest I intro'd him to A or B client. We used to laugh that he was "using" me "for sex and clients" because at the time it seemed so far from the truth. It became an in joke between us. He'd invested so much time and detailed interest in me personally over time, that I couldn't possibly believe this would be what he wanted, so I did recommend him and make a couple of intros for him to people who I believed would be very helpful to him. Another thing to note is that I earn more money than him. He is a small business owner partner to our company, and I work for an international corporate. This means I get paid more (quite a significant amount more) and have my own house and a lot of independent wealth (due to hard work.)

Our companies put on our annual event at the end of October/beginning of November in New York and we spent a week there together. Despite having two hotel rooms we shared the same hotel room for the week. While we were incredibly emotionally close, talking all night sometimes, and sleeping naked in each other's arms, the sex was surprisingly perfunctory on his side: more of a means to an end rather than the end itself (a bit like eating dinner because you need to fill your stomach, not because you want to savour the taste of something new and nice.) I remember it surprised me at the time, but there was so much emotional connection surrounding it that it didn't seem to matter. He didn't dwell on it or talk about it and if I started a conversation about sex he would clam up, tell me he had "issues" (referring to how awful his divorce had been/his ExW had lost interest in him and sex) and change the subject, simply saying he very much enjoyed it and loved being with me and we would work on it (ie him opening up sexually) as we spent more time together.

The next couple of weeks after this, we were both very busy with work, but I still expected the momentum of New York to hold. Not the frequency of being in each other's company, but I thought we had established a cadence of contact and knew each other better and had something to build on, I felt more sure we were compatible and we could start the relationship properly. Due to how busy we were, contact levels went down and I started to feel insecure. I expressed this to him and he said it was all fine, that we were getting to know each other, November was a particularly busy month for him, and everything would change when he moved into his new place in February. The next time we saw each other we went out for dinner and had the same perfunctory sex afterwards.

We exchanged messages where he said he would call and twice he did not call. I left it. Just to mention, I have never initiated contact with him, he has always contacted me and initiated meet ups and spending time together - and I have let this happen because he has the most challenging living situation around sharing the house with his ExW and contact with DC etc. I don't know if he resents always having to initiate.

When he got back in touch over whatsapp after a couple of days citing various domestic disasters/ DC issues, I told him that he was aware of my situation and how I'd been hurt by divorce, that I was feeling like his actions weren't matching his words and I needed some time to think and maybe it would be better if we revisit everything in February when he moves out and clears his own head. He fought this but we then had a two week period where I was getting my head together and unresponsive to him and he embarked on another campaign to "win" me back. His reasoning being that: he KNEW that November would be a terrible month in terms of DC/work and that he told me he would have very little time (much less than in the initial wooing period) and I had responded how he feared. That I needed to "think longterm, not short-term" about our relationship and imagine it as planning the second stage of our lives. He even enlisted the help of his colleague and my colleague (who did not know about our relationship until then) to get back in touch with me and convince me to give him another chance.

Given the public declaration and ceremony, I did give him another chance, and met up with him again for dinner on Thursday just gone. We had dinner and the same perfunctory sex and I have only had an emoji since then (a heart). Nothing in the last 48 hours. No more "morning" and "night" texts. When I spoke to him over dinner on Thursday evening, his main reasons why I should re-engage were:

  • He wants a longterm partnership/relationship with me and I have to do my best to not be put off by the short term headwinds (in the form of his domestic situation and "general uselessness" - his words) and hold on until February.
  • That he is not a very social person. That he doesn't like to see many people and keeps his circle close. That whenever he is not with me, he is just with his DC or close friends. He is not in any way "in the market" dating . The situation with me is unique because he saw a small chink of light where we were both single and he wanted to see if we could make something work
  • That he is about to do a business deal that will make him "millions" of pounds and when that is over he will be more available

Reading this all back, it sounds ridiculous and very dodgy, but in person I'm sure you understand he appears extremely genuine and believeable. His job and company are legitimate and established, I have worked with them for years, I know his colleagues who vouch for him, he is a very public leader within the industry we both work in. There is a lot of info about him online.

I am feeling a sense of shame that I opened myself up like this after I had made my situation so clear and had spent two years refusing his advances. I don't understand why he doesn't feel this too? Isn't it embarrassing to go to all that trouble only to be perceived as not putting your money where your mouth is? I am finding it hard to believe he went to the extent of enlisting our colleagues (and therefore making our involvement public) to re-engage me into the relationship, but is still acting the same.

Why would anyone do this?

I'm trying to think back over red flags and there were many.

  • he used to constantly repeat stories he'd already told me and we had already discussed, word for word. When I used to remind him we'd already had exactly the same conversation he used to blame it on tiredness and overwork. Occasionally he used to tell me stories I had previously told him, like an anecdote. Like he "knew someone who had X experience" when it was actually me who had, had the experience and had told him that
  • after previously agreeing and arranging (childcare) to stay the night with him twice in hotels he had booked, during those evenings or when I arrived with my overnight bag he would say "what time do you have to leave this evening?" or "what time does your nanny have to go tonight?"

What is your diagnosis?

OP posts:
80s · 12/12/2022 08:53

I agree that the men themselves often seem to fall for their own tricks, believe their own lies. Our society produces men who can't cope with the reality of their existence and feel an urge to create a fantasy world.

Justthisonce12 · 12/12/2022 08:54

80s · 12/12/2022 08:50

Men lie to women and it's the women's fault for being fooled and sleeping with them? If we think that, we're giving the men a carte blanche to behave like dicks, aren't we?

Well, no precisely the opposite. If we don’t reward bad behaviour, they’ll have to think of something else to do to get what they want which let’s be honest, they all think with the dicks. I suppose the concern is then they’ll just rape us instead? What is the answer?

Justthisonce12 · 12/12/2022 08:58

I think in the beginning they genuinely believe they have finally found the perfect partner (which is why it felt real to the op) but it's only surface level - usually for what the romantic partner can do for them, in this case business connections and status.

and you know what I actually don’t have an issue with that in the slightest because everybody just wants something from somebody else. Nobody has unconditional love for their romantic partner. They just don’t. where it becomes an issue these days in my opinion is it it’s not a two way street what actually are these men bringing to the table?
once people have had their children and don’t want any more, there’s no need for a societal conformity that means women will accept shit relationships rather than face the stigma of been divorced. Men need to up their game.

80s · 12/12/2022 09:19

@Justthisonce12 But that assumes that the women can see through the man's lies. They're not all as OTT as the examples on this thread. Sure, part of the problem is that we're brought up to believe at some level that we should have a big romantic love story, which makes us more naive than we should be, but in many cases the lengths they go to are so unlikely that you'd have to be paranoid to guess what was going on. (Thinking of a family member whose long-term partner turned out to have 2 families - full double life.)
What's the solution? There's no solution to human nature - we're animals - but personally I'd be up for better mental health support in schools, lessons in the basics of how to develop resilience and self-confidence, for boys and girls.

monomonopolytime · 12/12/2022 19:11

Well I've not heard from him for four days now. It feels so strange. There used to be texts morning and night. I assume this means he is ghosting me now. Please keep me strong and not texting him asking for an explanation.

OP posts:
Sandia1 · 12/12/2022 19:38

Well done! Remember how he made you feel and keep going back to that when you feel tempted to contact him. There are may amazing men out there and it shouldn't be an effort or a head f#ck to be in a genuine relationship. A partner should be like a best friend and you should not put up with anything that you wouldn't from a friend x

Sandra1984 · 12/12/2022 19:48

He’s giving you the silent treatment.

Whydidimarryhim · 12/12/2022 19:56

Hi op you’ve sussed him out - steer clear - you are not the first person to be charmed by a man. Don’t beat yourself up at all. You questioned his thoughts - you didn’t do anything wrong. 🌺

GreenManalishi · 12/12/2022 19:56

Diagnosis? Mate, he's giving me the creeps from over here. Nooooo. No No No.. You are absolutely without a shadow of a doubt too good for this cretin and he one hundred percent knows it.

The picture he paints of the future is attractive to me, but the reality of day to day life right now doing whatever this is, creates painful feelings of insecurity and uncertainty.

He certainly feels like he's got an answer for everything, but the thing with this is the only future he is offering you is a longer version of what you've got now, day to day life, but ongoing, which sounds horrible.

Shit sex, and uneasy feelings, and the short term memory of a goldfish. He's pulled out all the stops and used every trick in the manipulators book to make you feel "special' and like he has chosen you, but it's not real, which is why it feels weird. He is fucking you around right under your nose, but saying all the right things.

As others have said, it doesn't matter what he says, concentrate on what he does and the way he makes you feel. And RUN!

You don't need to ask him for an explanation, there's nothing he's going to say that you need to hear. Make your own mind up, your opinion on him is the only one that matters, and that's worth more than any more drivel he will serve up.

darkwinterdays · 12/12/2022 20:24

So what you are missing is shit, unenthusiastic sex, (after which you are sometimes expected to leave), repetitive stories, excuses of why things are not happening. He has used you for client contacts and the next time he does get back in contact make a note if he wants anything.

I am not sure what you were getting from this, apart from everything you wanted to hear, which he failed to deliver.

So for now put him on mute and distract yourself. Could you honestly trust him again after the way he has treated you?

chevvyroo · 12/12/2022 21:24

monomonopolytime · 12/12/2022 19:11

Well I've not heard from him for four days now. It feels so strange. There used to be texts morning and night. I assume this means he is ghosting me now. Please keep me strong and not texting him asking for an explanation.

Well his true colours are showing now. He may well be expecting you to get in contact, asking for a reason. Imagine how thrown he will be if you just maintain radio silence. Enjoy this.

Batcountry8 · 13/12/2022 07:43

Keep strong.

I've been in a situation where I kept strong, and when I wasn't strong. Nothing had changed and starting the no contact over again at day 1 when you've already done a few days becomes a total total head fuck.

Hope that makes sense.

boredOf · 13/12/2022 09:09

This much work at this stage. No way.
Run run run and run.
Be strong

DundeeJB · 07/01/2023 11:13

I think you've worked out all the red flags and understand the situation. Please let your head rather than your heart move you forward. If you continue with this relationship and intend to marry absolutely obtain a pre-nup, if he refuses get away as far as you can and sever all contact.

I speak from experience I had my own 3 bed house he moved in and gave me a monthly contribution, which covered about 50% of his expenses not the mortgage or associated endowments which were in my name. I paid off over £10,000 debt he had accrued after the IVA had been set up as I wanted him to feel we had a "clean slate" prior to our marriage. I found out 7 weeks after we married he was seeing at least one other woman. 2 years into our marriage he walked out of his well paid job without even discussing with me. He then harassed and manipulated me constantly to give up my well paid job so we were living off my savings until I secured another job later that year. I found out 4 years after we married he was an alcoholic. I repaid my mortgage 5 years into our marriage from my pension tax free lump and was generally more of a saver than spender.

When we met my husband was broke, living in a rented flat and failing to meet daily living expenses while paying off his IVA to cover debts from his Company. He was more of a spender than a saver and bought himself lots of camera equipment (in excess of £3,000 collectively) and musical instruments (in excess of £6,000 collectively).

We are now divorcing as he walked out while I was away from the house for 3 hours. He is claiming 50% of everything, if he is successful I lose my home of 30 years, I would not be able to afford to buy another house so I would have to re-home my 2 cats as the most I think I could afford to buy is a bedsit.

This was not the retirement I had planned but it seems that by trying to persevere with our marriage to try and make it work I am being penalised. Had I divorced him at any time in the first 5 years we would both have retained what we entered the marriage with.

I know how believable these sort of people are. You know you should not really remain involved with him.

All the best for the future.

KettrickenSmiled · 07/01/2023 12:07

What is your diagnosis?

He's a self-obsessed little twerp who makes grand claims to have studied you & know what you want, when in reality it is all about what he wants.

Hes a love bomber, a future faker who is still living with his wife.

He refused to hear your "no" about needing a break & to maybe re-set in February, & had the temerity to send flying monkeys at you to pressure you to back down.

He is boring, repetitive & forgetful - to the point of 'forgetting' that you were staying overnight & asking you when you were going to leave!

He is useless in the sack, shuts down any discussion about this, is using you to win contracts & would eventually like to marry your money.
Forgot to add, he also suggested we should buy a house together! Hmm

It's not bog standard, & it's not you - it's him.
He's all mouth & no trousers.
Also - forthcoming million-pound deal ... my arse.

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