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Am I being catfished/used? Or is this just bog standard shitty dating after divorce?

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monomonopolytime · 10/12/2022 22:58

Started seeing a new guy in September. Have known him for two years through work (he doesn't work at my workplace but is the CEO of a small event business, which is a partner of the company I work at.) We are the same age (42), both divorced with similar age DC. He pursued me for a long time - calling, texting, emailing, asking to meet up, inviting me to events. When I did not show a lot of interest as I was getting over my divorce, it went quiet for a bit and then he'd start up again.

When I finally agreed to go for dinner with him this September he presented to me what I can only describe as a proposal for a second marriage. Obviously caveated with the fact that he knew we were not in a relationship, it would take a while, we should both take our time, but we had both been hurt before and he thought we shared the same values and enjoyed the same things (he name dropped a few things he knew I liked and said he had observed these about me in the years we'd been working on this event together.) He basically described my ideal life to me, and said it was his too. That he knew we couldn't guarantee the future, but would I start getting to know him so that we could - if it worked out- possibly try and start building a life together? It felt like he had observed me from afar and plucked me out of obscurity as a "chosen" special person.

Honestly, after years of emotional pain, this was everything I wanted to hear. He then caveated it again by saying that he was divorced but still living in the marital home but had bought a house that he would be moving into in February, which would make us more free to be together and spend time together.

The first month was filled with a lot of talking from both sides, almost like counselling each other over our failed marriages and talking about our children and work and negotiating around our dreams and plans. Like where we wanted to live, what we wanted to do... We spent hours on the phone and tried to see each other whenever possible - in lunchbreaks, in evenings where we'd go for dinner. I was still very hesitant and not much physical was happening apart from kissing. He would text me good morning and tell me I was the first thing he thought about when he woke, and then also good night.

I am in a role in my company of being able to give him a lot of lucrative (for him) client introductions. This was also a partial- focus of our conversation at the beginning: he would suggest I intro'd him to A or B client. We used to laugh that he was "using" me "for sex and clients" because at the time it seemed so far from the truth. It became an in joke between us. He'd invested so much time and detailed interest in me personally over time, that I couldn't possibly believe this would be what he wanted, so I did recommend him and make a couple of intros for him to people who I believed would be very helpful to him. Another thing to note is that I earn more money than him. He is a small business owner partner to our company, and I work for an international corporate. This means I get paid more (quite a significant amount more) and have my own house and a lot of independent wealth (due to hard work.)

Our companies put on our annual event at the end of October/beginning of November in New York and we spent a week there together. Despite having two hotel rooms we shared the same hotel room for the week. While we were incredibly emotionally close, talking all night sometimes, and sleeping naked in each other's arms, the sex was surprisingly perfunctory on his side: more of a means to an end rather than the end itself (a bit like eating dinner because you need to fill your stomach, not because you want to savour the taste of something new and nice.) I remember it surprised me at the time, but there was so much emotional connection surrounding it that it didn't seem to matter. He didn't dwell on it or talk about it and if I started a conversation about sex he would clam up, tell me he had "issues" (referring to how awful his divorce had been/his ExW had lost interest in him and sex) and change the subject, simply saying he very much enjoyed it and loved being with me and we would work on it (ie him opening up sexually) as we spent more time together.

The next couple of weeks after this, we were both very busy with work, but I still expected the momentum of New York to hold. Not the frequency of being in each other's company, but I thought we had established a cadence of contact and knew each other better and had something to build on, I felt more sure we were compatible and we could start the relationship properly. Due to how busy we were, contact levels went down and I started to feel insecure. I expressed this to him and he said it was all fine, that we were getting to know each other, November was a particularly busy month for him, and everything would change when he moved into his new place in February. The next time we saw each other we went out for dinner and had the same perfunctory sex afterwards.

We exchanged messages where he said he would call and twice he did not call. I left it. Just to mention, I have never initiated contact with him, he has always contacted me and initiated meet ups and spending time together - and I have let this happen because he has the most challenging living situation around sharing the house with his ExW and contact with DC etc. I don't know if he resents always having to initiate.

When he got back in touch over whatsapp after a couple of days citing various domestic disasters/ DC issues, I told him that he was aware of my situation and how I'd been hurt by divorce, that I was feeling like his actions weren't matching his words and I needed some time to think and maybe it would be better if we revisit everything in February when he moves out and clears his own head. He fought this but we then had a two week period where I was getting my head together and unresponsive to him and he embarked on another campaign to "win" me back. His reasoning being that: he KNEW that November would be a terrible month in terms of DC/work and that he told me he would have very little time (much less than in the initial wooing period) and I had responded how he feared. That I needed to "think longterm, not short-term" about our relationship and imagine it as planning the second stage of our lives. He even enlisted the help of his colleague and my colleague (who did not know about our relationship until then) to get back in touch with me and convince me to give him another chance.

Given the public declaration and ceremony, I did give him another chance, and met up with him again for dinner on Thursday just gone. We had dinner and the same perfunctory sex and I have only had an emoji since then (a heart). Nothing in the last 48 hours. No more "morning" and "night" texts. When I spoke to him over dinner on Thursday evening, his main reasons why I should re-engage were:

  • He wants a longterm partnership/relationship with me and I have to do my best to not be put off by the short term headwinds (in the form of his domestic situation and "general uselessness" - his words) and hold on until February.
  • That he is not a very social person. That he doesn't like to see many people and keeps his circle close. That whenever he is not with me, he is just with his DC or close friends. He is not in any way "in the market" dating . The situation with me is unique because he saw a small chink of light where we were both single and he wanted to see if we could make something work
  • That he is about to do a business deal that will make him "millions" of pounds and when that is over he will be more available

Reading this all back, it sounds ridiculous and very dodgy, but in person I'm sure you understand he appears extremely genuine and believeable. His job and company are legitimate and established, I have worked with them for years, I know his colleagues who vouch for him, he is a very public leader within the industry we both work in. There is a lot of info about him online.

I am feeling a sense of shame that I opened myself up like this after I had made my situation so clear and had spent two years refusing his advances. I don't understand why he doesn't feel this too? Isn't it embarrassing to go to all that trouble only to be perceived as not putting your money where your mouth is? I am finding it hard to believe he went to the extent of enlisting our colleagues (and therefore making our involvement public) to re-engage me into the relationship, but is still acting the same.

Why would anyone do this?

I'm trying to think back over red flags and there were many.

  • he used to constantly repeat stories he'd already told me and we had already discussed, word for word. When I used to remind him we'd already had exactly the same conversation he used to blame it on tiredness and overwork. Occasionally he used to tell me stories I had previously told him, like an anecdote. Like he "knew someone who had X experience" when it was actually me who had, had the experience and had told him that
  • after previously agreeing and arranging (childcare) to stay the night with him twice in hotels he had booked, during those evenings or when I arrived with my overnight bag he would say "what time do you have to leave this evening?" or "what time does your nanny have to go tonight?"

What is your diagnosis?

OP posts:
Dotcheck · 11/12/2022 09:53

Not healthy from either side not with side!

iamjustwinginglife · 11/12/2022 09:57

• That he is about to do a business deal that will make him "millions" of pounds and when that is over he will be more available

Please don't lend him money when he needs a "little help" to seal this deal!

Wakk · 11/12/2022 09:59

Pretty sure he wants your contacts.

I wonder if his wife knows he's getting divorced?

InSummertime · 11/12/2022 10:02

I’d stop replying
He is a Walter Mitty character - I didn’t believe such people existed until I met one.

a real relationship with a proper man shouldn’t make you feel like this

as satisfying as it can be to tell someone exactly how and why you have seen them for how they really are - I would just finish it with a simply text

’Dear Walter, our relationship is over for a variety of different reasons - please don’t contact me again’

don’t explain - you don’t owe him anything

if he tries to ring, text or reel you back in send one more message
‘I told you to leave me alone and not to contact me again. You are not respecting my decision - contact me again and I will go to the police’

this is a fantasy and you need a harsh reality disengage

Justthisonce12 · 11/12/2022 10:03

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/12/2022 23:27

You were incredibly useful to him, weren't you? Do you think his wife is aware that he is getting a divorce?

This man bears a strong resemblance to chairman Mao, with all his little red flags. I honestly think you should avoid him at all costs. I would block delete and ignore him.

Literally this

Middledazedted · 11/12/2022 10:04

Don’t be ashamed but recognise you have been vulnerable. Do some work on you before doing any more dating. This man is a manipulative red flag who will only damage you further. Walk away now with no excuses other than it’s not working for you.

Bonbon21 · 11/12/2022 10:04

'I am in a role in my company of being able to give him a lot of lucrative (for him) client introductions.'

This is your answer.
Block and move on.
You have been used.
Raise your standards AND your boundaries.
Next time.... your question is.... is HE good enough for ME?

Longlongtime · 11/12/2022 10:10

Oh he hasn’t asked you for money has he?

Darhon · 11/12/2022 10:15

He’s a narcissist at worst or keeping you in the bench.

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 10:18

More red flags here than I can even mention.
Any man that tries to rush you into marriage after two dates is seriously disturbed and this is classic love bombing. He’s also mirroring your interests which is classic manipulative behaviour to get you to think he’s perfect.

RUN. Run away from this bloke as fast as you can.

FermisLeftFoot · 11/12/2022 10:36

At the least he sounds confused and like his life is way too complicated and actually HE is way too complicated as a person. He sounds charming and persuasive but you describe someone with the gift of the gab who comes off as articulate and sincere - but if the actions don’t match then it’s all hot air really isn’t it?

I am finding some of want you posted confusing and I think that’s because he has been highly confusing. It’s hard to say if he has been using you for work purposes but if it were me i’d leave things now and tell him to get in touch after February when all these changes are supposed to happen if you want to give him a second chance - but I think you’re better off not doing that.

Frankly he does sound like a bit of a bullshitter, can talk a good talk, but when it comes to action he is not living up to the expectations he has created - even with sex!

Too much of a headfuck tbh whether that’s because he’s a schemer or just he is confused. I’d leave it.

80s · 11/12/2022 10:43

I think it is the kind of thing it's easy to fall into post divorce, yes. By that, I don't mean that when you're a certain age, this is all that's left for you. I mean that when you're freshly out of a long marriage (knowing you're older now, and not used to being alone), you can be more vulnerable to the kind of shit you wouldn't have touched with a bargepole in your 20s.

I wasn't in exactly that position after my marriage ended, as I was happy to be alone. But I came across something very similar. Fortunately I was just looking for a bit of fun, so tbh it suited me fine that he was also clearly not looking for something serious (I didn't want to disappoint someone looking for love). He also said something equally nonsensical (faaaar too early on) about how he could imagine marrying me when his divorce came through - I thought "I really doubt that and I certainly don't want to" but the fantasy of having a lovely new life with a lovely new husband was a pretty picture nonetheless.

I thought my guy was just dating multiple women, but the longer we were together the more it seemed like he was really still married, so I ended it. I kept it friendly, and kept in touch out of curiosity, and later on he told me a new story about his situation that was curiously similar to mine - pretty sure he'd copied the idea and was selling that to his new affairs.

Similarities apart from the loveboming and future faking:

  • Poor sex (not sure why - too much sex for him?! Or maybe he chats up women to convice himself of his irresistible manliness, to compensate for his poor performance in bed?).
  • Bringing in friends/colleagues to make his story seem more convincing (I was tempted to ask them outright what story he was telling them, but bottled out; there was only a fleeting opportunity. I think he liked the thrill of potentially being found out.)
  • Setting a date for when he'd be able to see me properly. This date was then always pushed back due to some twist of fate.
Var57 · 11/12/2022 10:45

Have you seen the house that he claims to have bought?

He is also suggesting you buy a place together - is this in addition to his Feb house or instead of, or is this the long term future house?
I imagine Feb will roll around and, oh no, what do you know, the sale has fallen through, he'll just have to move in with you.

At least you know his job is real, but the rest smacks of 'Dirty John' or 'The Tinder Swindler'.

I don't think you really like him that much if you are honest, he has just convinced you that you should.

Indigoo03 · 11/12/2022 10:47

Like others...wait till Feb to see if he does as he says...it's only 8 weeks. If he is really moving he can share his plans eg removals redecorating etc show you the place in Jan?

mincepiepie · 11/12/2022 10:56

🚩 arch manipulator
🚩 gaslighting
🚩 future faking
🚩 living in marital home

sukiwh · 11/12/2022 11:11

Everything @PermanentTemporary said. OP you sounds like an incredible woman. Successful, independent, an absolute catch. Block and delete. In a few months you will be thanking yourself and wondering how on Earth this ridiculous man ever got his hooks into you.

I was in a situation some years ago that I recognise in some of your story, now I look back and laugh at the guy! You will too.

TugboatAnnie · 11/12/2022 11:14

First, his million pound deal will get delayed leaving him with a cash-flow problem or it will need some injection and second, he'll need some sort of bridging loan to protect the house purchase from falling through. You'll be expected to stump up for these. Do you know the address btw?
Do you actually know he is married and he is living in the marital home? It could be a convenient cover.
And he's definitely hedging his bets with other women re the anecdotes mix ups! Hope he wore protection during sex.
Good luck dumping him.

Batcountry8 · 11/12/2022 11:25

Where is the joy?!

This isn't fun op is it? which you know deep down.

You sound sorted and intelligent, don't let him, one person take anything more from you.

God he sounds dull, predatory, and a bit creepy.

As if you need another round of let downs.

Middledazedted · 11/12/2022 11:37

Yeah as above. Under no circumstances wait til Feb. Sort it today! Ugh

MzHz · 11/12/2022 11:45

iamjustwinginglife · 11/12/2022 09:57

• That he is about to do a business deal that will make him "millions" of pounds and when that is over he will be more available

Please don't lend him money when he needs a "little help" to seal this deal!

Yeah, he’s not a Nigerian Prince is he 😂🤣

darkwinterdays · 11/12/2022 11:52

Nah, I think the phase perfunctory sex sealed it for me. Lot of words, not much action or commitment on his part. He is putting effort into what he thinks will benefit him - your contacts/wealth etc. He is telling you what you want to hear to fulfil his own purpose.

I suspect he has other women on the side (or maybe it is his wife which is distracting him) and, for you, his script has come to an end and he is now on repeat.

End it now or just let it go. This one is not worth the effort.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 11/12/2022 11:53

I'd hae fucking run a mile after, no, during that first date. How creepy was that? It sounds like he'd been stalking you!

Aprilx · 11/12/2022 12:06

monomonopolytime · 11/12/2022 00:21

The picture he paints of the future is attractive to me, but the reality of day to day life right now doing whatever this is, creates painful feelings of insecurity and uncertainty.

i don’t know how I have the two so confused in my mind. Every time I talk to him about it he says it’s because I am thinking short term as opposed to long term. And that he has always given me the date of February as the time he would be free. But if that was so clear to me (which I don’t think it was) why did he and is he insisting on engaging me so intensely now?

Nothing is going to happen in February. This is a married man who has used you for business contracts. I do not know why there was a second date after the first one where he set out the marriage plan.

BadNomad · 11/12/2022 12:18

He sounds like a fantasist. Future faking and love bombing. He probably really wants the things he says, but isn't able or willing to do what needs to be done to make them happen. His relationship with you is just escapism for him, really. Just something to look forward to, even if it's unrealistic.

But, bad sex is bad sex. Don't waste your time waiting for that to get better.

lapasion · 11/12/2022 12:44

I suspect the wife has a very different perspective on what’s going on between them. My suspicion is that around the time he was pursuing you, his marriage was on the rocks. He realised he needed another wife, or he’d have to pay half the bills and do his own childcare. So you were being groomed into being that lucky, lucky woman. But now maybe his marriage is improving so he’s stuck you on the bench, not making too much effort but not dumping you either.

You honestly sound like a catch and too good for someone who is going to mess you around like this.

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