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Am I being catfished/used? Or is this just bog standard shitty dating after divorce?

115 replies

monomonopolytime · 10/12/2022 22:58

Started seeing a new guy in September. Have known him for two years through work (he doesn't work at my workplace but is the CEO of a small event business, which is a partner of the company I work at.) We are the same age (42), both divorced with similar age DC. He pursued me for a long time - calling, texting, emailing, asking to meet up, inviting me to events. When I did not show a lot of interest as I was getting over my divorce, it went quiet for a bit and then he'd start up again.

When I finally agreed to go for dinner with him this September he presented to me what I can only describe as a proposal for a second marriage. Obviously caveated with the fact that he knew we were not in a relationship, it would take a while, we should both take our time, but we had both been hurt before and he thought we shared the same values and enjoyed the same things (he name dropped a few things he knew I liked and said he had observed these about me in the years we'd been working on this event together.) He basically described my ideal life to me, and said it was his too. That he knew we couldn't guarantee the future, but would I start getting to know him so that we could - if it worked out- possibly try and start building a life together? It felt like he had observed me from afar and plucked me out of obscurity as a "chosen" special person.

Honestly, after years of emotional pain, this was everything I wanted to hear. He then caveated it again by saying that he was divorced but still living in the marital home but had bought a house that he would be moving into in February, which would make us more free to be together and spend time together.

The first month was filled with a lot of talking from both sides, almost like counselling each other over our failed marriages and talking about our children and work and negotiating around our dreams and plans. Like where we wanted to live, what we wanted to do... We spent hours on the phone and tried to see each other whenever possible - in lunchbreaks, in evenings where we'd go for dinner. I was still very hesitant and not much physical was happening apart from kissing. He would text me good morning and tell me I was the first thing he thought about when he woke, and then also good night.

I am in a role in my company of being able to give him a lot of lucrative (for him) client introductions. This was also a partial- focus of our conversation at the beginning: he would suggest I intro'd him to A or B client. We used to laugh that he was "using" me "for sex and clients" because at the time it seemed so far from the truth. It became an in joke between us. He'd invested so much time and detailed interest in me personally over time, that I couldn't possibly believe this would be what he wanted, so I did recommend him and make a couple of intros for him to people who I believed would be very helpful to him. Another thing to note is that I earn more money than him. He is a small business owner partner to our company, and I work for an international corporate. This means I get paid more (quite a significant amount more) and have my own house and a lot of independent wealth (due to hard work.)

Our companies put on our annual event at the end of October/beginning of November in New York and we spent a week there together. Despite having two hotel rooms we shared the same hotel room for the week. While we were incredibly emotionally close, talking all night sometimes, and sleeping naked in each other's arms, the sex was surprisingly perfunctory on his side: more of a means to an end rather than the end itself (a bit like eating dinner because you need to fill your stomach, not because you want to savour the taste of something new and nice.) I remember it surprised me at the time, but there was so much emotional connection surrounding it that it didn't seem to matter. He didn't dwell on it or talk about it and if I started a conversation about sex he would clam up, tell me he had "issues" (referring to how awful his divorce had been/his ExW had lost interest in him and sex) and change the subject, simply saying he very much enjoyed it and loved being with me and we would work on it (ie him opening up sexually) as we spent more time together.

The next couple of weeks after this, we were both very busy with work, but I still expected the momentum of New York to hold. Not the frequency of being in each other's company, but I thought we had established a cadence of contact and knew each other better and had something to build on, I felt more sure we were compatible and we could start the relationship properly. Due to how busy we were, contact levels went down and I started to feel insecure. I expressed this to him and he said it was all fine, that we were getting to know each other, November was a particularly busy month for him, and everything would change when he moved into his new place in February. The next time we saw each other we went out for dinner and had the same perfunctory sex afterwards.

We exchanged messages where he said he would call and twice he did not call. I left it. Just to mention, I have never initiated contact with him, he has always contacted me and initiated meet ups and spending time together - and I have let this happen because he has the most challenging living situation around sharing the house with his ExW and contact with DC etc. I don't know if he resents always having to initiate.

When he got back in touch over whatsapp after a couple of days citing various domestic disasters/ DC issues, I told him that he was aware of my situation and how I'd been hurt by divorce, that I was feeling like his actions weren't matching his words and I needed some time to think and maybe it would be better if we revisit everything in February when he moves out and clears his own head. He fought this but we then had a two week period where I was getting my head together and unresponsive to him and he embarked on another campaign to "win" me back. His reasoning being that: he KNEW that November would be a terrible month in terms of DC/work and that he told me he would have very little time (much less than in the initial wooing period) and I had responded how he feared. That I needed to "think longterm, not short-term" about our relationship and imagine it as planning the second stage of our lives. He even enlisted the help of his colleague and my colleague (who did not know about our relationship until then) to get back in touch with me and convince me to give him another chance.

Given the public declaration and ceremony, I did give him another chance, and met up with him again for dinner on Thursday just gone. We had dinner and the same perfunctory sex and I have only had an emoji since then (a heart). Nothing in the last 48 hours. No more "morning" and "night" texts. When I spoke to him over dinner on Thursday evening, his main reasons why I should re-engage were:

  • He wants a longterm partnership/relationship with me and I have to do my best to not be put off by the short term headwinds (in the form of his domestic situation and "general uselessness" - his words) and hold on until February.
  • That he is not a very social person. That he doesn't like to see many people and keeps his circle close. That whenever he is not with me, he is just with his DC or close friends. He is not in any way "in the market" dating . The situation with me is unique because he saw a small chink of light where we were both single and he wanted to see if we could make something work
  • That he is about to do a business deal that will make him "millions" of pounds and when that is over he will be more available

Reading this all back, it sounds ridiculous and very dodgy, but in person I'm sure you understand he appears extremely genuine and believeable. His job and company are legitimate and established, I have worked with them for years, I know his colleagues who vouch for him, he is a very public leader within the industry we both work in. There is a lot of info about him online.

I am feeling a sense of shame that I opened myself up like this after I had made my situation so clear and had spent two years refusing his advances. I don't understand why he doesn't feel this too? Isn't it embarrassing to go to all that trouble only to be perceived as not putting your money where your mouth is? I am finding it hard to believe he went to the extent of enlisting our colleagues (and therefore making our involvement public) to re-engage me into the relationship, but is still acting the same.

Why would anyone do this?

I'm trying to think back over red flags and there were many.

  • he used to constantly repeat stories he'd already told me and we had already discussed, word for word. When I used to remind him we'd already had exactly the same conversation he used to blame it on tiredness and overwork. Occasionally he used to tell me stories I had previously told him, like an anecdote. Like he "knew someone who had X experience" when it was actually me who had, had the experience and had told him that
  • after previously agreeing and arranging (childcare) to stay the night with him twice in hotels he had booked, during those evenings or when I arrived with my overnight bag he would say "what time do you have to leave this evening?" or "what time does your nanny have to go tonight?"

What is your diagnosis?

OP posts:
MrsMontyD · 11/12/2022 12:48

I would back away rapidly before you get yourself into trouble at work, giving contracts and contacts to someone you're in a "relationship" with is never a good idea unless it's done with a high level of transparency, this will bite you on the ass.

He's either just interested in what he can get from you for his business or he's looking for a soft landing from his divorce (or setting one up in anticipation of leaving his wife) this business deal will fall though, he won't be able to complete on the house he's buying and you'll find yourself with a cocklodger if you're not very careful.

He's definitely seeing other women, hence the repeating your stories back to you and the gaps in communication, which is fine in itself because you're not in a relationship but you need to be aware of it.

My advice is to get yourself out there and start dating, get some experience of dating post divorce (and post social media etc.) under your belt.

monomonopolytime · 11/12/2022 15:24

Thank you for all your replies. I can't believe I bought, or at least partially bought, the dream life and "dream partner" status he was selling to me. I know when I am recounting it back now it seems like I am wise to him, and I suppose I am. But I am still a bit in denial. I can't believe that he went to the extent of pulling the levers that he did to get me to engage and to buy in to this crazy dream. I feel so much shame and embarrassment about it and feel like he must be laughing at me, or what an easy sell I was. Especially as now we are the other side and I have jumped through all the hoops that he wanted (apart from of course, the financial ones). I suppose it is normal to feel this.

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monomonopolytime · 11/12/2022 15:26

...And I suppose it makes me feel shame about how I must be perceived in the dating market post divorce. I understood that men my own age, like him, sent 20-somethings crazy. I thought that he was the only person I found (and who I had identified from my friends encounters with similar men of the same age who had set their dating profile settings to 20--29) who genuinely wanted a realistic, same-age, equal relationship. I just feel such a fool.

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sukiwh · 11/12/2022 15:31

Oh please do not feel like a fool! Feel proud you clocked on to his bs before the situation went any further.

You are entering an exciting new era in your life. There will be someone out there who is your level and appreciates you. Until then, you have yourself! Good luck!

ShellsOnTheBeach · 11/12/2022 16:05

You're not a fool and you know it!
Never, ever sell yourself short.
Better to be single than with a tosser.

mincepiepie · 11/12/2022 16:20

You are not a fool and this is not your fault. He's a hideous predatory creep. Bin him and move on.

iamjustwinginglife · 11/12/2022 16:20

You're not a fool...he's a shit bag!

WilsonMilson · 11/12/2022 16:36

Jeez where to even start.

  • His future faking is classic bullshit.
  • If the sex is crap from the get go, it’s not going to get better.
  • He’s still living at home with his wife, who knows what’s actually going on there.
  • The contact has already become sketchy, and you’ve barely even started seeing him.
  • He benefits from clients and referrals from you. What do you get?
  • You earn more and he’s talking of buying a house together already. Financial red flag.
  • You sound like his safety net. The ‘long term plan’ stuff is just utter, utter bullshit. Why would you sign up to a life with this guy - he’s not even fun in bed!!!!

He needs to get in the bin pronto.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/12/2022 16:38

They may say they want a 20- 29 year old, but do the twenty somethings really want them? Almost certainly not unless the bloke is rich, famous or their boss. Anyway, why should you go along with the myth that a twenty something is more desirable than an intelligent, influential and independent woman?

go your own way , Op. You don’t need any man to validate you. When you have got your confidence back a bit, and are not clutching at relationship straws ( or straw relationships) you will start to attract some sensible men. Good luck.

PermanentTemporary · 11/12/2022 16:40

No no!

He is not someone who is going to 'send 20 year olds crazy', where did that come from? Is that your mum's voice in your head or something? How did you get from 'this guy is desperate to keep me on the hook but isn't worth my time' straight to 'nobody will want me'?

I was a bereaved overweight 49 year old when I started dating again. Admittedly I was completely unserious about it all for a good couple of years. I did not have enough time in the week for the number of men who were willing to be unserious with me. When I wanted a relationship, I had a better ability to spot someone who was going to offer me an improvement in my life. I have no doubt that it helped that I was in therapy during the entire time (and still am).

Goldpaw · 11/12/2022 16:53

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Watchkeys · 11/12/2022 17:15

No healthy happy long term relationship starts like this.

1Sky · 11/12/2022 18:18

Don't feel ashamed. It's him who has the problem not you.

Can I just air a note of caution though? I too am reasonably successful. Worked hard my whole life and am independently able to support myself and my dc.

I had a horror show dating post divorce. So many and I mean so many men were 'attracted' to that and not me. It took a while for me to see the wood for the trees. And don't forget, the problem with online dating is you have no idea who you are talking to and there are a lot of conmen around.

1Sky · 11/12/2022 18:20

And I know you knew this guy, or thought you did, but just sounding a note of caution before you do any more dating! It was horrendous!

He's been a total prick to you and it wouldn't surprise me that he was occasionally still sleeping with his ex too

WillMellorsHips · 11/12/2022 18:23

I started watching Bad Vegan on Netflix last night and your story reminds me of this. A con man.

Longlongtime · 11/12/2022 18:54

Yes I was thinking of Bad Vegan when I asked if he was after op’s money.

AnyFucker · 11/12/2022 18:56

So many intelligent women seem to leave their brains behind when these men talk their bullshit

It’s a mystery to me

dotdotdotdash · 11/12/2022 19:12

It’s okay… don’t feel bad… lesson learned. Believe me not all men doing online dating are like this but you do need good radar! If anyone future fakes you again, you’ll spot it and can avoid!

Sorry if you’ve already said this, but have you blocked him?

Mehmeh22 · 11/12/2022 19:19

@AnyFucker Until you go through this, you've no room to talk. These master manipulators can be very good at messing with you.

80s · 12/12/2022 07:29

What's a mystery to me is the number of men who go to all these efforts to fool women, and act like that's something clever, when it's blatant proof of what losers they are: they can't get women by just being honest.

Justthisonce12 · 12/12/2022 07:49

@80’s most men are like that online

80s · 12/12/2022 08:06

@Justthisonce12 It's the high number of losers that amazes me. What goes wrong in these men's lives that they not only have to lie to get laid, but that they don't feel embarrassed about not being able to pick women up by being honest? They actually seem to feel proud, as if it's an achievement.

Justthisonce12 · 12/12/2022 08:36

It’s a cultural thing man like that are Jack the lads, one of the boys Lorded as a great craic.

I do you think this is a massive floor we currently have in society if none of us as women slept with these paddocks then they wouldn’t be rewarded for their ridiculous dishonest behaviour.

But currently they are, so they’ve no incentive to change. Men want to be them and women want to be with them.

Fireflygal · 12/12/2022 08:41

@80s I think it's more about their need for attention so that they can function. They can't cope with the reality of a steady relationship (compromise, routine etc) so have to have "side" relationships as a source of fresh attention. When their old relationship is ok the side relationship will drop - hence the hot & cold behaviour.

I think in the beginning they genuinely believe they have finally found the perfect partner (which is why it felt real to the op) but it's only surface level - usually for what the romantic partner can do for them, in this case business connections and status.

80s · 12/12/2022 08:50

Men lie to women and it's the women's fault for being fooled and sleeping with them? If we think that, we're giving the men a carte blanche to behave like dicks, aren't we?