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How do you get past emotional abuse? I’m a wreck (TW abortion)

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Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:04

Hi, I hope it’s ok to post this here. I’ve spent the past four hours crying again and I can’t bottle it up and pretend it didn’t happen anymore.

Around eight months ago I came across a man on tinder and we clicked instantly. Messaging all day every day, met up and had a 12 hour first date, I fell for him pretty quickly and he seemed to me. There were red flags but he always had a good reason. His ex was crazy, he did call and text constantly, that sort of stuff.

Early into dating we sexted on occasion and I stupidly mentioned that I was intrigued by threesomes in the heat of the moment. From this point onwards he became obsessed with making this happen. He started looking for someone and when he couldn’t find anyone he started messaging sex workers. At one point he had me messaging them too. I told him I was uncomfortable but he kept talking me around. Eventually he found an old tinder match that would be up for it and he started a group chat with her. I kept saying that I didn’t like it, I didn’t want to do it, I was uncomfortable but every time he just reminded me that it was my idea and I couldn’t let her down now. Eventually I put my foot down and said no. I got the silent treatment and he told me he needed to ‘think’ as he couldn’t cope with jealous women.

Things got worse when I found out I was pregnant. He never gave me a chance to think and told me an abortion was the best option so I had to do it. He’d tell me over and over that we had discussed it and both decided it was right but really it was him talking over me with all the reasons he wanted one.
I will admit at this point I didn’t act perfectly. I needed more time to think and he wanted an instant decision so I lied and told him I’d done it. Well when he found out he went mental, told me that was against the law, he’d put me in jail, report me to social services, take the baby off me and raise it himself so I’d never see it etc.
I ended up having the abortion he wanted and he was a nightmare about the whole process. I purposely booked it on a day he wouldn’t make it. He got me to set my live location on WhatsApp so he could track where I was, got me to request proof of the doctor (the proof wasn’t good enough), tried to get me to video the appointment so he could watch it back, made me call them 30 times in front of him after so he could talk to the doctor himself. He phoned the reception pretending to be my dad waiting in the car park to make sure I was really there. It was horrendous and he still doesn’t believe that I actually did it.

There was so much little stuff as well. Nothing ever felt straightforward. He’d say we will do this next week and then when I’d remind him it would be ‘you got it wrong, I didn’t mean it like that’. It particularly upset me when it was bad stuff. Due to his life being really hectic he said we might not be able to see each other for a month. When I got upset afterwards it was, ‘I didn’t mean it like that, you took it the wrong way, you’re so selfish, you never care about what I need’. He never picked up the phone when I called him but if he wanted to speak to me he’d repeatedly call until I answered. 37 times was the maximum before I gave in and answered.

He didn’t show up to my birthday and didn’t do much as get me a card.

This is going to sound insane but it’s true. He now blames me for him having a heart attack. When he found out that I didn’t go through with the abortion he had a heart attack. I really thought he was playing it up but I was wrong and it really happened. He’s now having heart surgery and it’s my fault.

I feel so torn and twisted. I know there is abuse there, it’s like I can feel it in my gut but I’m so worried about his health and I can’t turn it off. I don’t know how to find my way out of this.

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elephantonacid · 22/11/2022 22:24

Please call women's aid and talk it through with them as soon as you can. You are in a haze of abuse. You've done nothing wrong.

AnneLovesGilbert · 22/11/2022 22:31

You’re still with him?! He’s dangerously bad news. You haven’t done anything wrong, he’s psychotic, cruel and incredibly manipulative.

What will make you cut him off and never see him
again? What practical help do you need to get free?

Readaboutyourself · 22/11/2022 22:31

None of this is your fault. I’m just so sorry we can’t all have a cuppa together and reassure you.

As PP said, Women’s Aid are well versed in this situation.

Gingersnappy · 22/11/2022 22:32

Please run far away from him while there is nothing still tying you to him

elephantonacid · 22/11/2022 22:33

Gingersnappy · 22/11/2022 22:32

Please run far away from him while there is nothing still tying you to him

Call women's aid first. You're most at risk from people like this when you're leaving the relationship

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:35

He seemed so nice. He still does when you talk to him. That’s the scary part. You can have your gut screaming at you that something feels wrong, then he’d call and talk it through with you and you end up thinking he was right. The minute he was off the phone the doubts started creeping in again.

We aren’t still together… his plan is that we remain friends until he can ‘trust’ me again because I lied about the abortion.

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elephantonacid · 22/11/2022 22:36

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:35

He seemed so nice. He still does when you talk to him. That’s the scary part. You can have your gut screaming at you that something feels wrong, then he’d call and talk it through with you and you end up thinking he was right. The minute he was off the phone the doubts started creeping in again.

We aren’t still together… his plan is that we remain friends until he can ‘trust’ me again because I lied about the abortion.

Do. Not. Go. Back.

Jenny3412 · 22/11/2022 22:39

Ok, this is super duper easy. This guy has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It can never be cured. He has no empathy and no chance of insight into the fact that he is behaving like a prick. In short: entitled, compulsive (37 phone calls), control (following your location, speaking to your doctor, treating you like an imbecile), gaslighting, blaming others but never himself. His heart attack is linked to him eating junk food and not you stressing him, You need to cut ties. Go no contact. This is the only way to get rid of narcs. Write if you need help.

Gingersnappy · 22/11/2022 22:39

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:35

He seemed so nice. He still does when you talk to him. That’s the scary part. You can have your gut screaming at you that something feels wrong, then he’d call and talk it through with you and you end up thinking he was right. The minute he was off the phone the doubts started creeping in again.

We aren’t still together… his plan is that we remain friends until he can ‘trust’ me again because I lied about the abortion.

Block him on everything, do not go back. Contact women's aid also as mentioned above to make them aware of the situation at hand

Jenny3412 · 22/11/2022 22:39

Impulsivity, anger, rage, I mean he is textbook.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:45

He genuinely seemed to love me… that’s the bit that hurts.

He quit his established, well paying job because there was travelling involved and it was making the relationship difficult. He signed his house over to his ex wife for nothing so he’d be free of her. He had nowhere else to go and made himself practically homeless in the process.

I don’t understand him. He did all these things for me apparently but all I ever wanted was to see him without being made guilty for it.

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MrsGhastlyCrumb · 22/11/2022 22:51

This sounds awful. He sounds fucking awful. But what is not clear from your post is whether you had an abortion or not?!

(The primary concern is, as other people have addressed, ensuring your safety, but iit makes a difference knowing if you're going ahead with the pregnancy or not...)

Mammyloveswine · 22/11/2022 22:57

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:45

He genuinely seemed to love me… that’s the bit that hurts.

He quit his established, well paying job because there was travelling involved and it was making the relationship difficult. He signed his house over to his ex wife for nothing so he’d be free of her. He had nowhere else to go and made himself practically homeless in the process.

I don’t understand him. He did all these things for me apparently but all I ever wanted was to see him without being made guilty for it.

I'll bet he's twisted all this..

He was likely sacked..or didn't have a job in the first place..

He had no ownership of the house..

Run as fast as you can and don't look back!

Successgirl2022 · 22/11/2022 23:02

elephantonacid · 22/11/2022 22:33

Call women's aid first. You're most at risk from people like this when you're leaving the relationship

Yes, I would immediately.

HOW DARE he force you to do an abortion if it was completely AGAINST your will?

Successgirl2022 · 22/11/2022 23:02

Mammyloveswine · 22/11/2022 22:57

I'll bet he's twisted all this..

He was likely sacked..or didn't have a job in the first place..

He had no ownership of the house..

Run as fast as you can and don't look back!

I agree.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 23:04

He was sacked from his first job and he blamed me for it. I caused him stress from lying about the abortion and he missed deadlines and then he got sacked. Well moved to another company. That’s his account of it anyway. He did quit the newest job, I do know that and he did sign over the house.
He showed me the solicitor documents. He’s very big on proving everything so he can throw it in my face that I didn’t give him adequate proof about the abortion.

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Successgirl2022 · 22/11/2022 23:06

His behavior is a narcissist with BPD Borderline Personality Disorder.

HOW DARE he was trying to force you to have a threesome if it wasn't what you wanted after thinking deeper about it.

CheekyHobson · 22/11/2022 23:06

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:45

He genuinely seemed to love me… that’s the bit that hurts.

He quit his established, well paying job because there was travelling involved and it was making the relationship difficult. He signed his house over to his ex wife for nothing so he’d be free of her. He had nowhere else to go and made himself practically homeless in the process.

I don’t understand him. He did all these things for me apparently but all I ever wanted was to see him without being made guilty for it.

You will understand when you grasp that narcissism is all about desperately trying to avoid abandonment through creating obligations while desperately trying to avoid obligations of his own.

He gave his house to his ex wife so that she would be forever obligated to him and can’t ever feel okay just cutting him off.

It also neatly makes him homeless so you feel obliged to take him in.

He told you that you caused his heart attack so you feel obliged to look after him.

He insisted you get an abortion so he was not obliged to care for you or a child.

It is all a control game where he is always the hero or the victim .

Successgirl2022 · 22/11/2022 23:07

How many children does he have? How old are they?

Successgirl2022 · 22/11/2022 23:10

Did you have a happy childhood?

We could be attracted to problem people because they might remind us one (or both) of our parents.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 23:11

He doesn’t have any children.
When I was pregnant he threatened me a lot. It was keep ‘the kid’ and I don’t want to pay for it or have anything to do with it. If you try and claim cms I will have you arrested for lying or I will take ‘the kid’ off you.

He was adamant I could be arrested for lying about an abortion and that I could get twelve years in jail.

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Jenny3412 · 22/11/2022 23:17

Arrested for lying? He’s a shit head. What a big big lie.

Leave, run, get support.

SaffronQuoda · 22/11/2022 23:18

I wouldn't believe that this Walter Mitty has had a heart attack.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 23:19

Thinking about it his ex wife made him do court ordered counselling during the divorce process for mental abuse.

He is adamant that he was never abusive and it was all her. He hated the word gaslighting because she claimed he did it all the time.

Weirdly I don’t feel he’s a narcissist. I’ve known narcissists and the pain they cause and he feels different. I may be naive but I’ve often got the impression he doesn’t realise that what he’s doing or asking for is insane.

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Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 23:28

That’s the other issue, he’s always made these big claims (like the heart attack) but he can always prove them. He really has had a heart attack and he really has had heart surgery for it.

He really did sign away his house and he really did quit his job. He proved both because I didn’t believe him.

I always felt he was lying about what his work involved but again he could prove it.

Ditto other big claims. There’s something extremely off and odd about the guy. That’s been niggling me since the beginning.

I’m concerned because he really does believe that I’m still pregnant and I know I haven’t heard the last of it. He wants proof but I’ve given him all the proof I have.

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