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How do you get past emotional abuse? I’m a wreck (TW abortion)

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Namechangedforthis12456 · 22/11/2022 22:04

Hi, I hope it’s ok to post this here. I’ve spent the past four hours crying again and I can’t bottle it up and pretend it didn’t happen anymore.

Around eight months ago I came across a man on tinder and we clicked instantly. Messaging all day every day, met up and had a 12 hour first date, I fell for him pretty quickly and he seemed to me. There were red flags but he always had a good reason. His ex was crazy, he did call and text constantly, that sort of stuff.

Early into dating we sexted on occasion and I stupidly mentioned that I was intrigued by threesomes in the heat of the moment. From this point onwards he became obsessed with making this happen. He started looking for someone and when he couldn’t find anyone he started messaging sex workers. At one point he had me messaging them too. I told him I was uncomfortable but he kept talking me around. Eventually he found an old tinder match that would be up for it and he started a group chat with her. I kept saying that I didn’t like it, I didn’t want to do it, I was uncomfortable but every time he just reminded me that it was my idea and I couldn’t let her down now. Eventually I put my foot down and said no. I got the silent treatment and he told me he needed to ‘think’ as he couldn’t cope with jealous women.

Things got worse when I found out I was pregnant. He never gave me a chance to think and told me an abortion was the best option so I had to do it. He’d tell me over and over that we had discussed it and both decided it was right but really it was him talking over me with all the reasons he wanted one.
I will admit at this point I didn’t act perfectly. I needed more time to think and he wanted an instant decision so I lied and told him I’d done it. Well when he found out he went mental, told me that was against the law, he’d put me in jail, report me to social services, take the baby off me and raise it himself so I’d never see it etc.
I ended up having the abortion he wanted and he was a nightmare about the whole process. I purposely booked it on a day he wouldn’t make it. He got me to set my live location on WhatsApp so he could track where I was, got me to request proof of the doctor (the proof wasn’t good enough), tried to get me to video the appointment so he could watch it back, made me call them 30 times in front of him after so he could talk to the doctor himself. He phoned the reception pretending to be my dad waiting in the car park to make sure I was really there. It was horrendous and he still doesn’t believe that I actually did it.

There was so much little stuff as well. Nothing ever felt straightforward. He’d say we will do this next week and then when I’d remind him it would be ‘you got it wrong, I didn’t mean it like that’. It particularly upset me when it was bad stuff. Due to his life being really hectic he said we might not be able to see each other for a month. When I got upset afterwards it was, ‘I didn’t mean it like that, you took it the wrong way, you’re so selfish, you never care about what I need’. He never picked up the phone when I called him but if he wanted to speak to me he’d repeatedly call until I answered. 37 times was the maximum before I gave in and answered.

He didn’t show up to my birthday and didn’t do much as get me a card.

This is going to sound insane but it’s true. He now blames me for him having a heart attack. When he found out that I didn’t go through with the abortion he had a heart attack. I really thought he was playing it up but I was wrong and it really happened. He’s now having heart surgery and it’s my fault.

I feel so torn and twisted. I know there is abuse there, it’s like I can feel it in my gut but I’m so worried about his health and I can’t turn it off. I don’t know how to find my way out of this.

OP posts:
LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:15

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:12

Apparently he used the pull out method successfully with his ex wife for fourteen years. The mind boggles.

14 years ..... Fk me, she must need significant therapy.

LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:15

14 yes with him, I mean.

CheekyHobson · 23/11/2022 00:16

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:02

Oh and I also get blamed because I’ve ruined his first experience of fatherhood apparently. This is a big one to him. Now he’s always going to remember what could have been his first child as a big lie and he can’t get that back according to him. I have pointed out this makes no sense as he didn’t want it but it falls on deaf ears.

Love, take a massive step back and listen to yourself. He’s talking absolute nonsense, insisting you abort his child and then being angry at you for ruining fatherhood for him.

Don’t you see that you are not in a real relationship with him? He keeps you around to provide services to him - sex, shelter, advice, appreciation - but most importantly, being a scapegoat for all bad feelings about his failings, which he gets to offload on you in the form of blame.

Just walk away. You owe him literally nothing. Anyone who treats you with the kind of contempt he has shown does not deserve to stay in your orbit for one more second. The sooner you cut him off completely and start focusing on understanding what you need and why you got caught up in this unhealthy relationship, the faster you will heal. You will never understand him, as his thinking is clearly very twisted, and you will only twist yourself up trying to follow it.

LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:17

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:12

Apparently he used the pull out method successfully with his ex wife for fourteen years. The mind boggles.

Well he wasn't with his wife (who no doubt got the fk out of Dodge), he was with a new (?) partner, and he should have used effective contraception... Abdbnot assumed she would abort if he got her pregnant.

LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:18

being a scapegoat for all bad feelings about his failings, which he gets to offload on you in the form of blame.

Exactly.

This guy needs/wants a scale goat and whipping boy.

Stop letting it be you.

MamaFirst · 23/11/2022 00:19

I actually feel quite concerned for you. Do you think he would stalk you if you told him to leave you alone? I feel he wouldn't take no for an answer.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:22

I’m concerned because he really thinks I’m still pregnant and he genuinely believes he can get me arrested.

A few weeks ago he did call to get advice from the police. I don’t know what they told him but he seems certain that I’d be arrested. He is also threatening to phone social services for reasons unknown to me. I have in text form that he thinks I’m a good mum. He’s never met my kids!

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Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:23

He’s threatened to turn up at my house around the time the babies due date would have been to check I’m not lying.

Well not threatened. He’s told me he’s doing it.

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manova366 · 23/11/2022 00:28

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:22

I’m concerned because he really thinks I’m still pregnant and he genuinely believes he can get me arrested.

A few weeks ago he did call to get advice from the police. I don’t know what they told him but he seems certain that I’d be arrested. He is also threatening to phone social services for reasons unknown to me. I have in text form that he thinks I’m a good mum. He’s never met my kids!

Just reality-checking this for you. He may or may not have phoned the police (it doesn't effing MATTER!!!!!!)
but if he did they'd have told him there's nothing to report.
Abortion is legal.
Telling massive lies in the context of a relationship is legal.

Shake your head!!! Stop trying to make sense of any of this, just think of him as a shark swimming around you, and fucking protect yourself.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:31

He’s acted so insane that a lot of it I’ve forgotten.

A few weeks ago he phoned the police (I was still pregnant at this point) and called me afterwards. He was just screaming ‘you’re going down bitch’ over and over. I want to say he’s bluffing but I can’t tell with him.

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LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:32

For one I saw the solicitor emails and two he once drove four hours to Cornwall just to get a pasty. He’s quite erratic as a person.

He probably had to, as part of the financial settlement... He probably wracked up debts or owed her or something.

He sounds like he might have bipolar disorder (random armchair psychology).

MamaFirst · 23/11/2022 00:33

You do know there's zero truth in that though? The partner of an unborn baby has no right whatsoever to anything involving the child until after they're born. They have no right to be notified or visit after the birth even.

He's a batshit, manipulative and threatening bully. And he sounds dangerous. You should tell him to leave you alone and not contact you anymore, then make it clear if he does you will involve the police for stalking and harassment.

manova366 · 23/11/2022 00:33

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:31

He’s acted so insane that a lot of it I’ve forgotten.

A few weeks ago he phoned the police (I was still pregnant at this point) and called me afterwards. He was just screaming ‘you’re going down bitch’ over and over. I want to say he’s bluffing but I can’t tell with him.

Well if you mean you don't know whether he's bluffing about "you're going down" meaning you'll be arrested, YES HE'S BLUFFING.
You can't be arrested for having an abortion and you can't be arrested for telling ANY kind of lie to a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, or other relationship partner.
If you mean is he bluffing about threatening you, because "you're going down" could mean he wants to harm you,
ASSUME HE'S NOT.

Are you actually reading any of what people are writing here?

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:35

I think I need some professional help. There’s so much of it. I’m so angry at him for putting me through this but then I am genuinely concerned for his health at the minute as well. Then I get angry and think I could kill him right now.

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LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:35

*I’m concerned because he really thinks I’m still pregnant and he genuinely believes he can get me arrested.

A few weeks ago he did call to get advice from the police. I don’t know what they told him but he seems certain that I’d be arrested. He is also threatening to phone social services for reasons unknown to me*

What would you be arrested for?

You've lost me.

Being pregnant is not a crime.

Not having an abortion the father wants is not a crime.

Lying and saying you've had one when you haven't (esp againstva background of coercion) is not a crime.

Coercion within a relationship, as he has done, is however a crime.

So the most likely candidate for prosecution would be him.

Dartmoorcheffy · 23/11/2022 00:36

He sounds absolutely deranged. You should block him and in all seriousness get advice from the police about this. Check if he has any history on their records.

LemonDrop22 · 23/11/2022 00:37

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:31

He’s acted so insane that a lot of it I’ve forgotten.

A few weeks ago he phoned the police (I was still pregnant at this point) and called me afterwards. He was just screaming ‘you’re going down bitch’ over and over. I want to say he’s bluffing but I can’t tell with him.

He sounds like he has significant MH issues.

You need to go NC with him and consider your personal safety ongoing.

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:40

I’m considering going to the police. I almost want to prosecute him if it’s possible. I’m so angry about the threesome situation and abortion. I felt like I was completely disrespected.

There’s something else I’d want to check with the police but I don’t know if it’s possible. Right at the beginning he told me his ex wife lied about him being physically abusive and breaking one of her bones. He was adamant this was a lie but did tell me his mum believed her side of the story. At the time I believed him purely because he’s a very small man and I just couldn’t see him being able. I’m starting to doubt him now and I’d like to know if there’s any chance he could be physically violent.

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manova366 · 23/11/2022 00:44

DO contact the police.
He may be small, but statistically almost any man is capable of seriously hurting almost any woman with his bare hands.

MamaFirst · 23/11/2022 00:44

Look up Clare's Law, I believe you can ask the police if anything is listed. Also the Alice Ruggles Trust has information on stalking.

mashh · 23/11/2022 00:54

Namechangedforthis12456 · 23/11/2022 00:40

I’m considering going to the police. I almost want to prosecute him if it’s possible. I’m so angry about the threesome situation and abortion. I felt like I was completely disrespected.

There’s something else I’d want to check with the police but I don’t know if it’s possible. Right at the beginning he told me his ex wife lied about him being physically abusive and breaking one of her bones. He was adamant this was a lie but did tell me his mum believed her side of the story. At the time I believed him purely because he’s a very small man and I just couldn’t see him being able. I’m starting to doubt him now and I’d like to know if there’s any chance he could be physically violent.

This message is your sign to contact the police immediately without delay

CallieQ · 23/11/2022 00:56

Go No Contact
It's the only way

youcantry · 23/11/2022 00:58

I'm so sorry. As others have said, you've done nothing wrong. He's an abuser, took me 8yrs to break free from mine. Don't be me, contact womensaid and get away from him. I wish you well

pumpkinsareshortlived · 23/11/2022 01:13

Do you already have children, OP? If so, do they live with you? Do not let him in your house. The man sounds very dangerous. Take the location tracker off yr phone and go to the police and tell them everything you have written here. Ask them to check him out. Where is he currently living if not with you?

Opentooffers · 23/11/2022 01:36

Do yourself a favour and never do OLD again, it's not for you. You've got endless reasons and examples of why you shouldn't be with him but you stayed with it so many times. You have to be much stronger willed and less eager to please as a person to deal with online dating and you need to be able to spot the nutters on it - they are the majority - before getting involved. It sounds like you fear saying no to men, this is a big problem for you going forward and leaves you open to abuse from others.
Just disappear from his life, no contact. If he harasses you then by all means contact the police, but so far there is nothing illegal either of you have done.
He's clearly not right mentally, but neither are you in some ways - seek counselling for that.
In the long run, probably better that you've not had the baby under these circumstances as you need to get this man out of your life rather than pandering to his whims that change like the wind.
Stay single until you've had therapy and know what you want in life and understand how to get it.