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Straightforward, drama free abortion

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FineMom · 09/11/2022 02:04

I know everyone’s different and possibly some women get upset by having an abortion. But my experience when I was in my early 20s was really fine. My partner was supportive. The whole thing was relatively free, it was also guilt free and stress free. I told my mother she was fine too and came to stay with me. There was no drama or doubt just a sense of relief that
I had access to this safe health care service.

I love the Archers and I know they need a story line but, AIBU to feel they have massively over milked this subject.
I remember when Lizzie Archer had one a few years ago and they treated the issue far more in line with my experience.

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Clymene · 10/11/2022 11:33

minipie · 10/11/2022 11:18

People have different opinions about what constitutes a baby or life.

The fact someone has a different opinion to yours, and doesn’t see a 6 week old foetus as a baby, is not a lack of respect. It’s a different opinion.

It's not a foetus.

Cw112 · 10/11/2022 11:37

RunningFromInsanity · 10/11/2022 11:26

Well no, it’s not a different opinion, it’s medical science.
A foetus isn’t a baby until the 9th week.

Agreed and that's not disrespectful it's just stating medical fact. If some people attach more emotion to it at that stage then that's fair enough - I know I did with this pregnancy because it was very much wanted and planned, but while we used words like 'baby' I still was aware that it wasn't a actual 'baby ' and to be honest I found pregnancy made me even more pro- choice because it really reinforced the madness to me that this embryo was suddenly more important to some people than my rights to life and health as a living, breathing, sentient woman were.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/11/2022 11:42

I had one at 10 weeks OP, it was a vacuum basically. A bit of cramping but not much. I've never regretted it. It was the right choice to make for my life.

TedMullins · 10/11/2022 11:47

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Look, Birdie, you’re not getting it. Please just LISTEN to women who’ve had abortions. I’ve had one, a surgical one, you know the one that tears the “baby” limb from limb and picks it out of your uterus with a giant pair of tweezers. I know what happens because I’m a functional adult who can use Google. I chose to have a surgical abortion because I didn’t want to risk the side effects like vomiting, pain and diarrhoea of the medical one. I wanted to be anaesthetised and have a smooth, quick experience, and I did.

I’m glad I had it, I have never regretted it, I know exactly what the procedure involves and I have no qualms or emotion about it. I don’t care about the foetus. It was an unwanted parasite to me. From the moment I found out I was pregnant I smoked 20 fags a day and had a several glasses of wine every evening purely to protest the fact this interloper was in my body. My experience is no less valid than yours. I won’t lie about or sugar coat or downplay how I feel to pussyfoot around people who feel differently. People traumatised and regretful of their abortions are absolutely entitled to their feelings, but what they’re not entitled to do is demand that they take precedence, or peddle misinformation and scaremongering, or demand that every representation of abortion aligns with their own.

arctica · 10/11/2022 11:50

I get that but there is more women like me that also share the same story if not worse. There is more than the abortion pill. There is also nothing natural & safe about intentionally expelling another being from your body in such a barbaric way.

If you didn't want your baby, ok. Have respect that that a little baby regardless how big it is had to either be clamped out, suctioned out, given injections & pills to stop it's little heart. Don't justify those things being 'nothing major' just to please your own feelings of abortion.

@Birdie002
How about you show a bit of fucking respect yourself instead of calling other women barbaric.

Did you tell the woman in your totally not made up story that's she's barbarically expelling a living being from her body?

TedMullins · 10/11/2022 11:51

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We’re not. We’re talking about a partially formed human that could not survive independently outside of its host. That’s not comparable to a baby that’s been born, that’s like comparing a tumour to a toddler.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 11:54

Birdie002 · 09/11/2022 23:26

I am not blackmailing no one, but its also not ok people downplaying abortion like it's not another human life your referring to. I've done enough research on the background of it + peoples experience including my own. I promise I am not misleading no one. There needs to be better education on it. I guarantee more than half in schools probably don't even know how abortions are even done and what the side affects are. I find it more misleading people want to try to shove "safe abortions" without giving the full details of it first. Let's agree to disagree.

@Birdie002 Having abortion has less side affects than pregnancy and childbirth. Research shows this. Research shows that published medical journals show that abortion is 14 times more safer than pregnancy and childbirth. This, is what actual medical research shows. To make out and show that abortion always has side affects is , misleading, manipulative and dishonest.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 11:57

Birdie002 · 09/11/2022 23:29

Sensitive for the mum going through it + sensitive for people who value human life! Tf. How is it not sensitive you should be asking!

People who value human life would value the life of the mother, who is more at risk from pregnancy than an abortion. If you human life, @Birdie002 , and I mean actual human life, you would value the bodily autonomy and life of the actual born human being, the woman. There are very, very few side affects of abortion, and studies show 95-99% (depending on either which two studies you read) of women don't regret their abortion and it saved their lives.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:04

Birdie002 · 10/11/2022 00:35

Being pro-life would regardless get me those "strong reactions". I don't feel I said anything to attack anyone as that was not my genuine intention. If you don't regret your abortion, ok. However, don't also disrespect those who have wanted their babies just because you didn't want yours. Sorry if that sounds so blunt but if we're going to be "respectful" of each other's views then don't downplay or be nasty if someone is sharing an actual experience. I don't hate any women but I do hate the act of abortion because IN MY OPINION it is devastating. I don't need to educate anyone on anything because there are videos and links all over the internet.

It is late and I will swiftly take myself out now but best of luck to you all :)

I don't hate any women but I do hate the act of abortion because IN MY OPINION it is devastating.

The vast overwhelming majority 95-99%, of women who have had an abortion find it a relief and liberating. Not 'devastating'.

Devastating, is being stripped of your humanity by being forced into Gestational Slavery, and denied the right to an abortion. To risk your health in pregnancy, and risk your life in childbirth. That, is what is truly actually devastating.

Birdie002 · 10/11/2022 12:06

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pointythings · 10/11/2022 12:08

@JennyNotFromTheBlock 👏
This. Devastating is also what happened to Savita Halappanavar when doctors in fear of the law put her dying baby's life above hers and both died. A safe, legal, wanted abortion is not devastating for the vast majority of women.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:08

Birdie002 · 09/11/2022 23:56

"My clump of cells " had a heartbeat and a little body which I have a recording + scan off. However, if those thoughts is what keeps you going, then you do you.

The term 'heartbeat', is a misnomer, @Birdie002 . It is a fetal pole pulse. The heart is not actually truly formed until the third trimester. However laymans' terms are easier to use. Also, many things have a 'body'. Such as a tapeworm. It doesn't make it human. And the 'body' of 90% of terminations don't contain any brain stem or nervous system or formed functioning organs when the average termination is performed. It is not a human. It has all the sentience of a table. That is the cold hard scientific fact.

overwork · 10/11/2022 12:09

I had a surgical abortion at about 7 weeks. The medically induced option wasn't available where I lived at that time. I'd have had the operation as soon as I found out I was pregnant at but apparently I had to wait for it to be a bit bigger for the surgery. Despite the (small) amount of pain I was in, I walked out of that hospital afterwards feeling like a weight had been lifted. It's barely crossed my mind since and I'm honestly quite surprised when I remember I've had an abortion. Very easy decision to make, very easy procedure, and not one ounce of regret (except that I got pregnant in the first place, even though it was a contraception failure). So yes, personally, I completed agree with the original post and thank goodness that option is available to us in the UK.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:09

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@Birdie002 No, it is NOT 'barbaric'. Please don't lie! Gestational Slavery, pregnancy and childbirth is barbaric.

pointythings · 10/11/2022 12:10

@Birdie002 taking an abortion pill isn't barbaric, because if it is then a 9 week miscarriage is also barbaric. A late term TFMR isn't barbaric, it is the most compassionate and often life savong thing to do in a very difficult situation.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:11

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/11/2022 01:38

The problem is that you are allowed to feel any way you like about your own body. Telling OTHER women that they should feel devastated, sad, whatever is the issue. And telling women abortions are unsafe is both inaccurate and harmful. Legal abortion is about the most safe procedure you can have. More people die from cosmetic procedures, dental work and similar.

The rate of any complications for early weeks abortions is about a 1/10 of a percentage point. If I did my maths right, that's about the rate of maternal MORTALITY not complications, mortality. Childbirth is unsafe. Abortion (legal abortion) isn't. The most dangerous of all is unsafe illegal abortion, causing the deaths of tens of thousands of women globally each year.

Whatever you think about your own body, illegality in abortion doesn't stop them and does kill women. Unless you hate women, why would you think that was a good idea?

Yes, as medical evidence shows, having an abortion is safer than having a Colonoscopy and safer than having a tooth extraction.

Birdie002 · 10/11/2022 12:12

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JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:13

Birdie002 · 10/11/2022 00:35

Being pro-life would regardless get me those "strong reactions". I don't feel I said anything to attack anyone as that was not my genuine intention. If you don't regret your abortion, ok. However, don't also disrespect those who have wanted their babies just because you didn't want yours. Sorry if that sounds so blunt but if we're going to be "respectful" of each other's views then don't downplay or be nasty if someone is sharing an actual experience. I don't hate any women but I do hate the act of abortion because IN MY OPINION it is devastating. I don't need to educate anyone on anything because there are videos and links all over the internet.

It is late and I will swiftly take myself out now but best of luck to you all :)

videos and links all over the internet.

Yes, we know what these doctored 'videos' are, and how they and graphics continually misrepresent a full term baby as an abortion. It seems you've fallen for the pro-'life' deceitful and manipulative agenda including faked YT 'videos'.

Actual real evidence from non-biased sources is all over the internet, if you bother to do real, actual research and not by the LIES from those like 'lies'site etc and their faked 'videos'.

pointythings · 10/11/2022 12:15

Nope, @TedMullins is just demonstrating that it isn't necessarily the case that abortion leads to upset and regret. As to the fags and alcohol - no point in worrying about their effect on the pregnancy if you're definitely going to have an abortion anyway, is there? Though of course the effects on your own health are substantial.

Are you very religious? You use of 'end of days' suggests you are. Also it's 'utmost'.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:16

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innocent baby.

Oh, here we go with the emotional manipulation and emotionally manipulative hyperbolic language. The only innocent here is the actual human being, the woman. Yes, we are in the 'end days' (though the Bible fully supports abortion) if you believe a woman is not a human with no rights, and something that has no sentience, no brainstem and no nervous system has more right than the INNOCENT WOMAN who has to risk her health and her life for it. I find your attitude sad and ever so deeply disturbing. I hope with education you will change your mind.

pointythings · 10/11/2022 12:17

And I agree with @JennyNotFromTheBlock that doctored videos from anti abortion sites are not medical evidence and watching them is indoctrination, not research. If you want evidence, there are plenty of peer reviewed scientific papers for you to look at.

Birdie002 · 10/11/2022 12:20

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MorrisZapp · 10/11/2022 12:22

This feels like the final frontier in abortion rights to me. I had a termination many years ago, it was very early in the pregnancy and I wasn't in a relationship. I have honestly given more thought to the 'dilemma' of returning a pair of boots than to ending my unwanted pregnancy. I never once considered going ahead with it.

It wasn't a fun experience, but I've had many, much worse dental procedures. I've never felt any guilt, and I don't think about it until threads like these pop up.

The wailing agony of abortion may apply to some, but statistically most of them must be more like mine. God forbid any film or TV show portrays it that way though.

TeamRR · 10/11/2022 12:22

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Love how you started off saying you don't mean anyone any offense and now you're calling women parasites.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 10/11/2022 12:23

Jippers · 10/11/2022 07:17

I went to the BodyWorlds exhibition. The one where real life bodies are cut open and plastinated. They had a screened-off section for babies. Having seen a 3 & 5 week old fetus, I can tell you they are very much a real baby, even at that super early stage. Do not delude yourself that they are not. That said, I support a woman's choice. It's a horrible position to be in.

@Jippers, a 3 and 5 week EMBRYO is a blood clot the size of the ball on a ballpoint pen, with no bones and no organs. This, is a 6 week (6 weeks 6 days) embryo. It looks like an ordinary shapeless bloodclot that bares no resemblance whatsoever to a 'baby'.

Straightforward, drama free abortion