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He doesn’t want me on mortgage/deeds

124 replies

Josephina14 · 24/09/2022 01:00

Hi there,

I need some advice please.

Partner and I have been together 3 years and have a daughter together. We are in the position of going forward with a shared ownership home.
Partner has told me he doesn’t want me to be on the mortgage or deeds.
I have worked up until recently as have been in sick leave and it’s the first time I have ever asked for financial support as I didn’t realise sick pay was so low. The first year of is being together he didn’t pay any rent or help with bills but did pay his mother rent for a bed sit in her house that he wasn’t using.
From my view I see us buying a house as moving forward together and as a family. That even though I am currently in sick it is only temporary and I will be working full time again soon.
He is using his savings for the house deposit and I have even agreed if anything did go south with us later down the line then he should have that money returned as it is only fair. Only for him to say that if any improvements were made on the house he would be entitled to any profits from that too.
Am I flogging a dead horse?
I understand people have different arrangements etc but i thought we were in it together and moving forward as a family not separate people with what’s owed at the end of the relationship breakdown in the future or am I being stupid for not thinking far ahead of just incases?
we are currently renting and it’s just me on the tenancy.

thoughts please x

OP posts:
outtheshowernow · 24/09/2022 10:17

Tootels · 24/09/2022 09:48

I'm not on the mortgage or deeds. I was told because I have no income it wouldn't be worth it.

Well it would because if you are on the deeds you own half of the house regardless of anything else. That can never be taken from you

jeaux90 · 24/09/2022 10:20

Single mum here.

Do not give up your house, as fragile as your situation is financially it is temporary if you can get back to work soon.

Have you got everything you are entitled to benefits wise?

The other way to see this is as a negotiation. Tell him you will not be leaving your tenancy to put yourself in an even more precarious financial situation. Then stop talking and see what he says.

The answer should tell you what he thinks of you. But I think you already know.

You have seen the countless posts on here by women who have not been able to marry their partners or go on the deeds, it's heartbreaking.

Do not do this to yourself and your kids.

outtheshowernow · 24/09/2022 10:21

If you move in without being on the mortgage you could end up homeless do not give up where u live now !!

Mischance · 24/09/2022 10:24

This is not a true partnership. You must put this behind you - there will be a decent person out there somewhere - that is what you deserve.

Stripedbag101 · 24/09/2022 10:27

if you separate he will have to pay child support for his daughter so you might yourself better off financially. He sounds miserable.

what is he like with your older daughter? Is her dad in The picture and does he pay child support?

be careful what type of relationship you are modelling for your daughters. It will have life long impacts - do you want them to see you being treated this way? Would you want them in this type of relationship?

SeamsLegit · 24/09/2022 10:33

Please, PLEASE stay in your house, be single and get all the financial help you will be entitled to as a single parent. You WILL NOT change him, in fact I have only ever known misers to get WORSE!! You can build a perfectly good life alone. Teach your children what behaviour to accept - if you proceed, you are SHOWING them that it is reasonable to be treated less than equally by your partner... And it is not!!! If he makes 3 times what you do, he shud be paying 75% of the bills. It should be relative, that FAIR. I truly believe you are making the biggest mistake of your life if you continue on this path and in this relationship. That sounds dramatic, please take it seriously though. I am away to scream into a pillow at your post, I can see it so clearly from the outside.

Tomatowentsplat · 24/09/2022 10:46

If she saw a life long future with you he would put you on the deeds. Sounds like he can vision the relationship ending.

ClocksGoingBackwards · 24/09/2022 11:07

It’s not fair to call this man tight or a miser or a CF just because he doesn’t want to sign over had his house.

This is a relationship that has only been going three years and they already have a one year old. Was the baby planned? Did this man ever say that he would be prepared to provide for you and your older child as well as his own child? Or is the general consensus that this man got OP pregnant so unless he gives her half of everything he owns he’s an arsehole?

If he does see a time when the relationship might end, then he’s doing the right thing by his own child. He’s ensuring that he has a home he can provide her with and he’s already paying 100% of her food and childcare cost so could probably manage as a single parent same as OP could.

Why is it ok for OP to think about how she’d manage without him, but it’s not ok for him to think about how he’d manage without her?

No woman on MN would be expected to hand over half her house to her partner just because she got pregnant, so why should a man?

jeaux90 · 24/09/2022 11:12

@ClocksGoingBackwards what most of us are saying is for her to stay where she is.

What this man is actively doing is trying to persuade her to put herself in a more precarious financial situation by moving in with him with no rights.

So wind your MRA neck in.

BadNomad · 24/09/2022 11:18

Plus, he doesn't have a house. The plan was for them to get a house together, but now he has changed his mind. Instead, he now wants to get a house for himself, after living with her rent-free of course, and let her live with him (until he decides otherwise).

Pinkbonbon · 24/09/2022 11:19

He is a user op. Arguably already financially abusive as he earns a shit ton more than you but rather than contribute more, he let's you struggle.

Get this wanker out of your home and out of your life. Certainly don't buy anything with him bigger than a sandwich. And be prepared for him to eat all of that and deny you contributed anyway.

Seriously op he is horrible, get rid

ClocksGoingBackwards · 24/09/2022 11:20

@jeaux90 I gave that advice too in an earlier post because I completely agree it would be madness for OP to give up her secure tenancy for this relationship.

Thats separate to and irrelevant to the point about it being unfair to criticise the father in this story just because he doesn’t want to put OP on the deeds of his house. And there is literally NOTHING in the OPs posts that suggest he is putting pressure on her to move in with him. It sounds more like it’s assumed by both of them that living together would be the natural progression of the relationship, but both of them are still free to consider their own financial interests first.

So you can wind your own neck in.

TheClogLady · 24/09/2022 11:57

Tomatowentsplat · 24/09/2022 10:46

If she saw a life long future with you he would put you on the deeds. Sounds like he can vision the relationship ending.

Either that or the long term relationship he envisages is one where OP is entirely dependent on him for shelter for her and her dependent children.

Which, on balance, is worse!

I was once a single mum in a council flat (on an estate that was considered extremely undesirable and has now been demolished) now, 25 years on I own my own modest house outright, no mortgage.

I had to relocate from South to North to do it but my landlord/the council paid me to relinquish the property and covered moving costs and I had some years of private renting in between, which was doable because I was somewhere without the high costs and churn over of London private renters and I don’t regret my decision to give up my life long tenancy but the difference is I did it as part of a long term plan that involved no one but me and my babies and I had my eyes on a prize that would benefit my babies and me. OPs being swept into her dickhead partner’s plan that will benefit no one but him (and maybe their shared daughter in 30/40 years time when he dies but dickhead will probably have knocked up another woman and perhaps even married her by then leaving OPs child without the benefit of an inheritance 😬)

@Josephina14 the thing with benefits (and crikey knows they aren’t generous) is that there are extra bits and bobs that will give you some space in the budget. Help with school meals & reduced prices on school trips and subsidised after school clubs and activities (these will hopefully make it viable to work when you are physically able to do so) opticians vouchers, dental costs, free prescriptions etc. If he’ll leave you without enough to buy milk let alone a haircut I doubt he’ll pay for spectacles or the dentist - he will impact on your ability to properly care for yourself and that will have a knock on impact on your daughters.

if you are currently poorly enough not to be able to work you might even get PIP (which is usually awarded for a few years at a time and isn’t means tested so won’t be automatically taken away as you go back to work).

But really, the main thing that will allow you to live in reasonable security as a single mum is that secure tenancy. Private rents are stupidly high and landlords can ask you to leave at the end of a 6 or 12 month tenancy even if you are a model tenant and having to move every year or two costs a fortune, uses loads of mental labour and is unsettling and discombobulating with children. It can also seriously fuck with school catchments (many schools have done away with sibling priority for anything except a tie break scenario) or the simple logistics of getting kids to the same school from a new address.

if your partner is actually a partner he will understand your unwillingness to jettison housing security for your girls at a time when you are unable to buy together as equals - if he can afford a property as the sole mortgage owner he can still move out and buy and you can continue to be in a live out relationship and revisit in future when you are back in work and can qualify for a joint mortgage (at that point you’d have options such as selling and buying afresh together or talking to a mortgage broker/instructing a conveyancing solicitor to work out the best way for you to become a joint owner of his existing property).

But something tells me that if you say to him ‘I think it would be best if I stay here with the girls while you buy and we revisit living together again in 3-5 years time when I will be able to get a mortgage and we can have a more equitable relationship and shared property rights that reflect that equitable relationship’ he’s gonna have a massive fucking strop because he WANTS an unequal relationship as not only would he benefit financially from you being more or less the same as a lodger in his house (only without the dignity of your own bed, let alone your own room!) he also benefits from the power dynamic of you needing to keep him sweet or face homelessness for you and your children.

worse case scenario he kicks you and eldest out and then drags you through the courts claiming he should have residential parent status for youngest child because YOU ARE HOMELESS!

which would mean he gets the child benefit payment and you’d be liable for PAYING HIM MAINTENANCE.

(and knobhead men will do this purely for the power trip, even though they don’t actually want to be the main carer of their kids)

I can’t help but feel suspicious that he wants to buy now, when you are in the least financially equitable position that you have ever been in during the course of your relationship - it feels like a trap to me - please don’t walk into it!

A decent man would either suggest you get a quick marriage for the purposes of legal security/inheritance rights before he buys the house (can be two witnesses and 15 minutes in the registry office = less than £200 and the house will then be a marriage asset) or would be consulting with a solicitor about how to put you on the deeds/mortgage with him as the only earner or he would suggest he saves as you can manage as a household towards a bigger deposit, with the plan of buying as soon as you’ve been back in work long enough to take out a mortgage together.

That he is doing none of the above and is instead leaving you to accrue credit card debt for milk suggests he is anything but decent.

Kick him out. Claim benefits. Depending on the age of your kids you’ll probably get free milk via healthy start or whatever it’s called nowadays (I vaguely remember ending up with way free more milk than it was humanly possible to get home on the bus, let alone drink! Enough to tip the buggy backwards 🙈)

we’re all here posting more or less the same things because we want the best for you and your girls* please listen to us? ❤️

oh, and when he inevitably huffs out of the door because you’ve foiled his plan to control you, change the locks asap and for pities sake DON’T AGREE TO 50/50 - offer him the standard every other weekend and one weekday evening and let him take you to court if he wants more when he’s living in his new house and not just back sulking in his mother’s basement bedsit.

YOU’VE GOT THIS!

jeaux90 · 24/09/2022 11:59

@ClocksGoingBackwards but it's ok for him to live with her and not pay anything towards it?

Then asking her to split everything down the middle for the new place?

Come on seriously this dude is a piss taker and encouraging her to put herself in a more precarious situation so yes he is a CF.

Theillustratedmummy · 24/09/2022 12:05

The only reason he managed to save that deposit is because he lived off you for the first year and then failed to properly support his family. That deposit is half yours. You have taken time out for maternity for your shared child, which probably affected your pay and career. You have contributed equally.
Going on sick has nothing to do with it. He suppose to love you.
I don't know what your illness is but I bet you would feel a whole lot better if you got rid of this leech.

HappyAsASandboy · 24/09/2022 12:05

Stay in your secure housing unless you are married. Doing anything else risks your financial and housing security, and by extension, the financial and housing security of your children.

Do not enter into a mortgage with a person who you're not married to unless you trust him 100% financially (and from what you've said here, you should not trust this man).

If you're totally daft and end up in a house that you have zero claim to because you're neither married nor an owner, make very very sure you have an alternative accommodation plan in place in case you need to move out.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 24/09/2022 12:07

Many years ago when I was pregnant with first child and house buying my DH suggested that as he was putting in more money than me he should have a bigger percentage of ownership. I was living in a cheap property with a mortgage I could afford and I told him - equal shares or jog on. I have equal shares.

TheClogLady · 24/09/2022 12:19

It’s not fair to call this man tight or a miser or a CF just because he doesn’t want to sign over had his house.

We’re calling him a miser because he makes her PUT MILK ON HER CREDIT CARD not because he doesn’t want to share his pre-existing asset with her.

He doesn’t even HAVE any pre-existing assets to protect. He lived in his mum’s granny annexe before he met OP.
it’s entirely possible to buy in a way that protects his deposit and equity share whilst not fucking over OP.

I’m a single parent and own my house outright, so unlike OPs cocklodger I do actually have a pre existing asset and damn straight I wouldn’t just sign half of that over to a newish partner. What I would do instead is research ways to ensure said partner had opportunity to accrue assets elsewhere, eg by investing what they are saving on housing costs while living with me in a buy to let, or to make other financial investments that would result in them still having some sort of financial nest egg if we were to split. I wouldn’t expect them to invest all their time, money and attention to my property whilst living in it but walk away with less than fuck all at the end.
And I’m a straight woman who is too old to be having anymore babies so any future partner of mine wouldn’t be in the precarious scenario that OP is potentially going into - ie where one partner has all the assets and most of the earning power and the other partner has all the debt and most of the caring responsibilities for the shared child (and another child’s welfare to be solely responsible for).

you can absolutely protect your existing assets without straying into being financially abusive to your partner.

loislovesstewie · 24/09/2022 13:09

Stay where you are, don't, for the love of God, give up your tenancy for a less secure situation. You are unlikely to get such a good deal again and, quite frankly your kids deserve stability which is unlikely to happen with this man. If he doesn't want to provide for his child that is a big red flag.

SammyScrounge · 24/09/2022 13:17

Josephina14 · 24/09/2022 01:16

I agree I have to think of being secure as I have 2 daughters to think of. I am currently renting a housing association home and have a secure/lifetime tenancy.
Have always struggled regarding bills as he earns 3x more than me a month but everything has to be spilt equally. I have also spent weeks asking for money each month to go in my bank for bills as he never set up a standing order. Recently he does pay all the childcare for youngest and food shopping (every couple of weeks). I have always struggled each month to even afford a haircut and he can blow £1000 in a few days and just say it’s his money. Which I do understand I just wouldn’t be so strict if things were the other way round.
After this evenings comments I have reflected and really question if there is a future for us at all as he made me feel like I didn’t deserve to be on the mortgage because he’s putting his savings in.

I can't believe that you accepted a 50-50% split in running costs when he earned so much more than you. He is laughing all the way to the bank while you scrimp for pennies. He is greedy and selfish and totally uncaring with no notion of what a partnership is.
You mustn't move into a house where you are just a tenant and he owns it all. He can remove you any time and you have no rights.
Stay where you are. Your tenancy is assured which is vital to your DC. Let him hang as he grows.

Bestcatmum · 24/09/2022 13:27

Get rid of him. He isn't a keeper and you are secure where you are. He could get rid of you any time he wants. You would have to obey everything he said and wanted or you'd be homeless.
You can't surely believe this is normal behaviour.

KendrickLamaze · 24/09/2022 13:41

It's depressing how many men are like this. He should be supporting you. He earns three times more than you and he is moaning about childcare for his own child? Assuming he is paying half for that also?

Honestly, don't lose your tenancy. Lose him.

Maze76 · 24/09/2022 13:45

@Josephina14 I echo what has been said , do not give up your current tenancy. This is your security and from what you have described, you cannot rely on him for that. I think you need to tell him that you will not be moving in with at this time.

He’s actually being really disrespectful, he’s selfish and I’m sorry to say, he’s not showing you any love.

The last thing you want is to move in only for him to change his mind later down the line. Protect yourself.

Bedazzled22 · 24/09/2022 13:58

@Josephina14 another thing to say is that whilst he says he wants to protect his money and you offered to sign agreement to protect it. Don’t forget you have enabled him to earn that money because you have been looking after his child. How would he have been able to work if he had been looking after a one year old?

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