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f*ck - all my efforts in the last year have been for nothing, think this time DH and I really are going to split........

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FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:06

had a few threads last day or two about DH and meals.....and last night about writing a note for him....well I didn't write the note - but

(I've copied and pasted from last nights thread as I really need some support right now, my best RL friend is away in Oxford today and I've already spent time on the phone to my parents and am now on my own)

I didn't write the note - decided to wait until this morning to talk about it and sort it properly - and oh yes it's sorted.

I'm currently in the middle of arranging to take the DS's to stay with my brother for a week or so in Edinburgh - I refuse to do things "his way" (in his words "My way") any longer - I've made a f*cking huge effort to sort things out in the last year (we nearly split up this time last year - but after a relate session things seemed to be getting better - and by the end of last year they seemed great - I had my temper under control, we were talking (and more) well. But apparently it would appear I've been wasting my time.

I've been told again this morning "his way or not at all"

After him telling me how "easy" it is to look after 3 DS's (7,4 and 8 months) on my own 5 days a week, and do all the housework, cooking, school run etc etc and my church commitments I threatened to go and stay with my parents for the week and leave him to sort it out and see how "easy" it was.

He told me to go then, but I don't trust him. I have a feeling that if I leave the kids with him for a week, not only will I be miserable as hell, but I fear he may either not let me back in the house on my return, or if when we split up use my week away against me and accuse me of abandonment. I can't take that risk - but I need to get away for a week or so to clear my head.

Called my parents (while he was still there in the room) but they can't put us all up, and understandibly it would be too much for my mum to cope with. However, she called my brother in Edinburgh, who then called me back and he's said we're welcome to stay with him for a bit.

I'm sure once I tell DH my plans he'll accuse me of "running off" with the kids - but I have every intention of coming back again after a week or so - I have church commitments, plus DS1's schooling to think about - don't want to start mucking around with that right now.

However, if it does come to splitting up, I'm afraid (unlike last year where I decided that I would stay in the same town) that I won't be staying round here. I want to make it work - but I can't make it work under "his" terms.

I've put so much time, effort and energy in the last 12 months (while being pg and having a young baby to contend with) towards trying to restore our relationship, but from our "dicussion" this morning it's entirely evident that not only has he been putting no effort in whatsoever, he also doesn't see the need to.

He's such a coward that when I asked him (after he'd asked me what I was going to do re going away) what he wanted me to do he said "I want the boys here with me", I asked where I fitted into that equation and he refused to say. Told me that it was "up to me" - I know it's up to me whether I stay or go - but he could at least have the balls to say whether he wants me here or not.

I just want to cry (well I have already) but YKWIM I honestly thought our relationship was improving - still not completely where it should have been (through both our faults) but felt like it was on the up and up.

He's tried to say that the "expensive crap" (well he didn't say that) mince was the issue here - but it runs a LOT deeper than that and I'm not sure I can put up with it any longer.

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Karen999 · 24/01/2008 12:09

Oh, so sorry...you have a lot on your plate and I cant believe that your dh does not appreciate how hard it is to look after 3 kids!!

newmummy27 · 24/01/2008 12:12

FAQ
there is hope.
things has improved in the past so can improve again with both of your efforts. time apart sounds like a good idea, it is not running away etc etc it is just a bit of space to let things calm down. sorry if i have been no use. hugs to you x

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:13

Told him he was a control freak - but of course he denied that flatly as

"he doesn't stop me going out/doing things I want to do/force me to do stuff"

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Karen999 · 24/01/2008 12:13

I think it would do you good to get a break from it all...then perhaps take things from there?

CountessDracula · 24/01/2008 12:17

what is "his way"?

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:18

newmummy - I'm not sure this is hope.

I'm not going to deny that most of our problems that caused us to nearly split up last year were my fault, awful temper, domestic violence (which I definitely not proud of), and a whole string of other stuff - which was discussed at our relate session.

I know I've changed - we haven't had a massive row like this one for over a year now (we used to have several a week!), he says I haven't changed that I just "sit" on my anger rather than just changing the way I react to things.

God there are so many things I could so easily have blown up about in recent months but I've managed to keep the lid on and we've resolved them with barely a raised voice - and then after it was resolved continued "as normal".

But he doesn't see what the problem is with me doing it "his way" (as apparently after Relate last year I agreed that's what would happen). Yes I agreed to try and be more accommodating (towards his weird and wonderful ideas) but I never expected it to be like this - and I thought that he would make an effort as well - "communication" from BOTH of us was one of the things that was key at the Relate session, yet nothing has changed there.

He told me it was my "job" to cook, clean, look after the children etc etc because he's the one that goes out to work.

Just so upset. He didn't used to be like this - but he's changed, for the worse, I used to be awful but have changed (I believe for the better). Of course I've got a long way to go but at least I've put some effort and energy in.

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Lulumama · 24/01/2008 12:22

sorry you are having such a hard time

TBH I don;t think either of you should be going anywhere, with or without the children

you need to sit and talk, and if that is not possible, then you need to go back to relate or get some 3rd party help here

things like meals and housework rows tend to mask the deeper issue

what do you want?

Lulumama · 24/01/2008 12:22

He told me it was my "job" to cook, clean, look after the children etc etc because he's the one that goes out to work.>>

and what happens when you return to work after maternity leave? is it still your job then?

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:24

CD - now I'm not sure what "his way" is.

One minute he's telling me I have to control my temper (true) the next he's telling me that I've been "sitting" on my feelings and should be letting them out.

One minute he's telling me I should be more organised with the housework (again true - I'm not a natural domestic goddess by my own admissions), the next he's telling me that I should be "asking" him if it's convenien/the right time to be doing stuff.

He said that the food has been particularly crap over the last two weeks because I was so "awful" at budgeting and was 2 weeks short for the grocery shopping (which he gave me). So I was buying "cheap" stuff (again the other night it was "expensive" ). I pointed out to him that for most of last year it was me bailing HIM out near the end of the month (we have separate accounts) but apparently that was "then" and this is "now".

He can't see the error of ANY of his ways he'll NEVER admit he's wrong, though on rare occasions he has come up to me and given me a hug (no "sorry" though) when he's realised he's wrong.. I on the other hand probably see more of the error of my ways than I should. Used to blame myself for EVERY argument/disagreement we had - but I know that it's not always my fault. But he still twists it so that it is.

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FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:28

Lulu - I have to get away - just for a week. I need some space to work out what I really want. Right now I think I still want to make it work, but I'm not sure.

I don't think he really cares - as long as I keep my mouth shut and run the house how HE thinks it should be done he'll quietly put up with me being here. If I left he'd just get on with it.

Last year when we nearly split he didn't really make any effort to stop me finding a house to rent etc etc. He only agreed to go to Relate after the lodgers he'd found let him down - he realised that the income I was bringing in was vital to keep the bills paid (my paltry SMP, £120 from playing the organ and £200 for TC and CB pay for all the shopping - food, nappies, cleaning stuff, baby milk etc etc, the gas, water, electric, TVL, House Insurance, my credit card, his credit card, our sponsored child payment and Virgin Media) - works out at about £600 a month - so I think he realised that if I left he'd be buggered.

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misdee · 24/01/2008 12:29

FAQ are you a namechanger. as you sound like another poster on here

CountessDracula · 24/01/2008 12:29

I see
Did you only have one relate session?

It sounds like neither of your is sure of the ground rules to me

Flllightattendant · 24/01/2008 12:30

Misdee I think she is Q, or fanny

Hope that's Ok to say that FAQ
Sorry to hear this

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:31

I can make the week away "fun" for the DS's - they LOVE my brother - call him "mad uncle John" (well he is somewhat - bungee jumps off high bridges, climbs active volcanoes, runs marathons regularly, cycles about 100 miles - for fun - every couple of weeks).

And as DS1 only sees DH at the weekends, DS2 only sees him for 2hrs or so during the week, and DS3 is only 8 months I think a fun week away in edinburgh (even without Daddy) would still be possible - and would give me a chance to think things over properly.

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misdee · 24/01/2008 12:31

thought so

sorry to hear you are going through all of this,but he does sound very controlling by some of your posts and iahve often wondered how you coped like that.

Flllightattendant · 24/01/2008 12:33

Any 'man' who has to resort to blaming it all on the mince is definitely a control freak bastard.

I think you might feel surprisingly refreshed without him, even if just for a week

What a git. he's not being fair.

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:34

FA - yep that's me - QoQ, FannyAnnie, and now FarcicalAlienQueen (on a diet)

CD - oh he's totally sure of the ground rules - because they're "his". It's me that's now totally confused.

Yes we only had one Relate session, put all the cards on the table and after just the one session DH (who was the one that previously hadn't wanted to go at all, and who was rather blasé about the prospect of me leaving) was the one who agreed first we'd give it another go. But it feels like its been me giving it a go and him doing sod all

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Lulumama · 24/01/2008 12:35

if he wants you around as an extra wage, then you need to think carefully about things...

did you have more than one session at relate?

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:36

no just the one - finances, time, me being pg, new baby etc etc and we didn't have any more.

TBH not sure he'd agree to go again........

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Lulumama · 24/01/2008 12:37

x post

so one session at relate

he makes the rules

you have to follow them

what happened to give and take , compromise

takes 2 to make a relationship work and 2 to f*ck it up aswell

warthog · 24/01/2008 12:37

what does 'doing things his way' mean? does he expect you to deal with the dc's a certain way, do the washing a certain way? i'm just trying to understand how controlling he is.

CountessDracula · 24/01/2008 12:38

Well I think you have to insist

There are two of you in your marriage. Something was wrong and somehow in one relate session (which IMO wouldn't even scratch the surface) it was decided that you would live by DH's unspecified and fluid rules which sound controlling and inappropriate.

Not good

FAQ · 24/01/2008 12:39

I know lulu - and I'm know (and freely admit) that I've f*cked up plenty of times, but he can't/won't see that it's not just me. So just tries to make me feel as if it's ALL my fault. I used to believe him, but don't now - possibly that has helped me to keep my emotions in check better in the last year as I've not felt the need to "defend" myself and therefore haven't got so upset/emotional/angry.

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Carmenere · 24/01/2008 12:40

sorry to hear this FAQ. Tbh last night I thought you were being childish re the dinner but now I know who you are and a bit more background I can see why you have done this.
Fwiw I think he is not going to change, those attitudes are deeply entrenched and he probably won't ever see why they should be a problem.
I couldn't live like that, with that attitude, the prescribed 'you are woman ergo you do what I say' crap. Can you? Really, do you want to spend the rest of your life fighting this attitude? Or do you want to roll over and submit to being a second class citizen in your own home?

And your boys, do you want them growing up thinking that women are not equal to them?

warthog · 24/01/2008 12:41

oh, i've missed the threads...

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